Land claims agreement worth $1.4 billion

[Posit]

Mohawks are a Nation complete with politics, immigration laws and laws of adoption etc. There is a cultural tradition in the way the government is set up, and there are certain cultural festivals observed, by all in all they are a Nation just like Canada is.

They are neither Canadian or American and are part of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy (Iroquois Confederacy) that act as one for their joint benefit.

Aboriginal people are indigenous to all of N.A. While that in itself may be considered an "ethnicity" being "Mohawk" is not. The laws of immigration and adoption contained in the Haudenosaunee Great Law, allow for people from outside the nation to come into the nation and participate. Doing so doesn't make them indigenous, but it does make them Mohawk IF they have been adopted by someone who is.

By and large, many Mohawk people would be considered "Caucasian", not because they are descended from English or French or any other European country, but because many of the Mohawks are fair skinned, with blond hair and blue eyes, and fine features. Now that doesn't make them a "race" either for the purpose of argument but it means they share common physical features just like other Caucasian people.

[geoffrey]

They are neither Canadian or American and are part of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy (Iroquois Confederacy) that act as one for their joint benefit.

And what passport do they use?

I could state I have my own nation too, but it wouldn't be anymore a nation than these Haudenosaunee guys.

By and large, many Mohawk people would be considered "Caucasian", not because they are descended from English or French or any other European country, but because many of the Mohawks are fair skinned, with blond hair and blue eyes, and fine features. Now that doesn't make them a "race" either for the purpose of argument but it means they share common physical features just like other Caucasian people.

And?

[Posit]

And what passport do they use?

The Haudenosaunee Passport of course....And they are presently preparing a special border pass card to enter the US in lieu of having to use their passport. Interesting that us Canadians haven't gotten that far with Homeland Security......

[Remiel]

Aboriginal people are indigenous to all of N.A. While that in itself may be considered an "ethnicity" being "Mohawk" is not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups#M

[geoffrey]

And what passport do they use?

The Haudenosaunee Passport of course....And they are presently preparing a special border pass card to enter the US in lieu of having to use their passport. Interesting that us Canadians haven't gotten that far with Homeland Security......

Um. We've actually been through this with another Six Nation's guy. That passport is not recognized anywhere else in the world and the Six Nation's has no foreign relations.

On this foreign affairs document, it declares the Haudenosaunee passport as ficticious and not recongnized by Canadian authorities.

Source: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/op/op16e.pdf

The US has a similar policy on this scrap paper.

Unfortunately, even if you got into another country with it, there really is no way of proving your Canadian citizenship for return. And last time I checked, the Mohawks don't have their own international airport so I'm guessing you need the Canadian one after all.

So ya, good luck with the little nation thing. Tell me how it works out for you.

When any Indian group is financially independant, then maybe I'd think of them as slightly independant. But not the Six Nations.

[White Doors]

It would be cool to have a pretend nation.

I'm gonna pretend that the maritimes and New England are one country..

Anyone have a cool name I can call it?

also, any ideas which city to use as the capital?

[NovaScotian]

It would be cool to have a pretend nation.

I'm gonna pretend that the maritimes and New England are one country..

Anyone have a cool name I can call it?

also, any ideas which city to use as the capital?

New Maritimeland....perrrfect...or the classic 'Atlantica'.

Perhaps a central city in Maine...Bangor or Portland.

[Posit]

It is true that Canada doesn't acknowledge Haudenosaunee sovereignty on the surface, they do legally and are presently engaged in negotiation with the Confederacy Government over the land claims at Six Nations. However, China doesn't acknowledge Taiwan's sovereignty either but it doesn't make them less of a country to the rest of the world.

The US does recognize the Haudenosaunee passport and are negotiating with the Confederacy for special cards to be recognized for free passage across the border.

[B. Max]

The US does recognize the Haudenosaunee passport and are negotiating with the Confederacy for special cards to be recognized for free passage across the border.

Well yeah I guess, how else are they going to legally sumggle smokes.

Edited July 25, 2007 by B. Max

[Riverwind]

The US does recognize the Haudenosaunee passport and are negotiating with the Confederacy for special cards to be recognized for free passage across the border.

The US recognizes the Mohawks as North American Aboriginals that are covered under the Jay Treaty. For this reason they are willing to engage in negotiations regarding the documentation that North American Aboriginals must produce when crossing the border. There is a huge difference between acknowledging the Mohawks rights under the Jay Treaty and acknowledging Haudenosaunee sovereignty.

I find it interesting that you compare this situation to China and Taiwan. I see the parallel but opposite to the way you put it. China runs around demanding that the world treat Taiwan as a part of China and many countries are willing to say this while laughing at the absurdity of the Chinese position. Similarily, the Haudenosaunee run around demanding that the world treat them as a soveriegn nation and few politically correct nations will pay lip service to the notion even thought the know it is also an absurdity.

Edited July 25, 2007 by Riverwind

[B. Max]

It would be cool to have a pretend nation.

I'm gonna pretend that the maritimes and New England are one country..

Anyone have a cool name I can call it?

also, any ideas which city to use as the capital?

Why not have a real one and call it atlantis. At least there is a written record of it. The Indians pull a new one out of their arse every other day or so and away we go.

[Posit]

The Haudenosaunee Confederacy goes back over 1000 years.

[B. Max]

The Haudenosaunee Confederacy goes back over 1000 years.

Is that all.

[White Doors]

It would be cool to have a pretend nation.

I'm gonna pretend that the maritimes and New England are one country..

Anyone have a cool name I can call it?

also, any ideas which city to use as the capital?

New Maritimeland....perrrfect...or the classic 'Atlantica'.

Perhaps a central city in Maine...Bangor or Portland.

Bangor sucks.

Portland maybe...

[Remiel]

More like 860 years.