The inevitable outcome of multiculturalism

[Leafless]

Canada has always been a divided country, notably English vs. French and still is.

But could multiculturalism be the primary cause of Canada becoming fully balkanized?

"Recently a new political party was formed in British Columbia, called the National Alliance Party. Though the party’s name is pretty innocuous its raison d’etre is to bring a Chinese focus into the political scene."

So now we have exclusive Quebec political parties, Chinese, National Alliance Party.

"It is inevitable that there will soon be a Canadian Islamic Party or a party that concerns itself solely with issues concerning people of colour."

"The sentiments that fuel racism are indeed a two-way street, albeit some have argued idiotically that it is impossible for anyone but white people to be racist. Try walking through some of the ethnic ghettos in many of Canada’s big cities; the resentment and mistrust displayed by many of our multicultural masses toward the rest of Canada is palpable. And for that reason it’s only a matter of time before political parties that deal exclusively with narrow ethnic or racial concerns start spawning here like fish in the sea. "

And who do we thank for all of this?

Why the Liberal Party of Canada. Who else would be so foolish to promote Canada to self destruct in this manner by only focusing on its own narrow political agenda.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/klaus062007.htm

[rogue state]

Canada pays the price of being dishonest, bringing immigrants just for the sake ot their money, not bothering to integrate and help them.

[Shakeyhands]

obviously... Quebec is apparently a Nation within a Nation.

[Leafless]

Canada pays the price of being dishonest, bringing immigrants just for the sake ot their money, not bothering to integrate and help them.

The federal government does not have jurisdiction concerning qualifications of professions in the professional category.

Any opposition relating to lack of qualifications, say in the medical profession, comes from the medical profession itself.

Any immigrant already in an existing profession from their former country, that comes here with money should automatically want to upgrade their skills at their expense to qualify to Canadian standards.

I doubt very much immigration authorities would tell, for example, foreign doctors, no upgrading of skills would be required to practise in Canada.

The same type of upgrading in various professions apply to Canadians, whereas they are responsible to upgrade their skills at their own personal expense.

[Leafless]

obviously... Quebec is apparently a Nation within a Nation.

I thought that was Quebec 'a nation within Canada'.

Canada is a country.

Quebec is not.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2006/11/27/nation-vote.html

[jbg]

One of the great perils of multiculturalism is discrimination, segregation and ultimately, under some circumstances, imprisonment and internment.

During WW II, the Japanese were interned. No doubt about it, it was a human rights abuse and a miscarriage of justice. However, the discussion doesn't stop there. If the Japanese were anything like the current crop of Chinese I can see why it would happen. Let me explain.

Most, indeed all, Chinese I know are great citizens. They are industrious, civil, and non-violent.

However, they do keep to themselves, largely, don't participate in American civil life, and often speak only broken, if any, English. They speak to each other in Chinese. When war threatened the Pacific Coast, there were many of Japanese origins who, I believe, similarly did not integrate with mainstream culture, did not speak English and kept to themselves. Being a hypenated American is a real risk in wartime when your country is fighting the "hyphenated" part.

In wartime, the safety of the general public and of troops is always going to trump civil liberties. I cannot condone, but can only explain, what appears to have been a gross injustice.

Multiculturalism presents just such a risk. We are turning people into perpetual outsiders, that never become "us". The problem is, in a war, if it's "us" against "them" most people choose "us".

[Leafless]

Multiculturalism presents just such a risk. We are turning people into perpetual outsiders, that never become "us". The problem is, in a war, if it's "us" against "them" most people choose "us".

World War 11 was a large scale war.

To-day the internment of the Japanese appears to be a gross civil rights violation but back during World War 11, several issues made Japanese internment a necessity concerning the vulnerability of the Pacific coast.

I think the U.S. and Canada really had no choice at that time considering the severity of the war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment

Are you referring only to the Japanese when you say, " We are turning into perpetual outsiders, that never become "us"?

[jbg]

Are you referring only to the Japanese when you say, " We are turning into perpetual outsiders, that never become "us"?

Hardly. I'm referring to any immigrant group whose non-assimilation is tolerated or encouraged.

[rogue state]

The federal government does not have jurisdiction concerning qualifications of professions in the professional category.

fed gov't can't do many things.

there's no excuses for being a weak state, regarding the existence of that state. a weak organism usually doesn't survive.

I think the U.S. and Canada really had no choice at that time considering the severity of the war.

a war is always severe, if both parties are strong enough, do u think a war with China or India will be a piece of cake ?

[Leafless]

there's no excuses for being a weak state, regarding the existence of that state. a weak organism usually doesn't survive.

There is no comparison between democratic capitalistic countries coupled with a higher degree of freedom to countries that ruled with an iron fist like old communist Russia.

Are you saying democratic capitalistic freer countries are weak and communist countries are superior?

[Leafless]

a war is always severe, if both parties are strong enough

You seem to have misunderstood what was said relating to the internment of Japanese American and Canadian cittizens relating to a direct threat to America, concerning a direct attack from a mostly unprotected Pacific coastline.

do u think a war with China or India will be a piece of cake ?

This is a totally irrelevant question to the topic of this thread and shows a high level of contempt towards Western ideologies.

[FascistLibertarian]

The inevitable outcome of multiculturalism

So this has to happen if we have the policy of multiculturalism?

That is your belief?

[Leafless]

The inevitable outcome of multiculturalism

So this has to happen if we have the policy of multiculturalism?

That is your belief?

It is unavoidable.

BTW- What does "WE have the policy of multiculturalism" mean.

Did you have a meaningful role or part in implementing 'official multiculturalism' or did you like the rest of all Canadians just happen to wake up one morning and found that the Liberals had implemented 'official multiculturalism' and 'low and behold', Canada was 'officially multicultural'.

This is really, meaningful history and so democratic.

[M.Dancer]

obviously... Quebec is apparently a Nation within a Nation.

So are Scotland and Wales.

[ScottSA]

The inevitable outcome of multiculturalism

So this has to happen if we have the policy of multiculturalism?

That is your belief?

It's certainly my belief. And in fact, the elephant in the room that people rarely want to talk about is multiracialism. The fact of a deliberate policy to admit large groups of "visible" minorities (another of the current euphemistic terms we've developed to help avoid reality), almost guarantees that critical self-supporting masses of racial and cultural (they are often synonymous) people will coagulate into self-identified and self-interested groups. How could it not be? If there might have, at one point, been some hope that eventual assimilation would take place, it was completely removed by two things: the much discussed policy of official multiculturalism, wherein we actually encourage apartness, and the victim mentality of what is ironically refered to as "inclusiveness." In order to be inclusive, we are told, we must respect apartness. How much sense does that make?

Anyway, of course that has to happen. Anyone with a smidgen of historical knowledge saw it coming decades ago. Unfortunately there's not a lot of real history about these days...revisionism seems to have won an almost complete victory...so abjectly profound a victory that no one even sees the irony anymore of Indians driving cars, living in houses, using medicare, and utilizing all the benefits of the white man's world, while soaking him for the unpardonable sin of taking him out of the stoneage subsistence life he had in pre-Columbian times. Or the irony of people coming here in droves from filthy 3rd world shitholes or tyrannical political or religious morasses and demanding that we become one ourselves.

[NovaScotian]

Unfortunately there's not a lot of real history about these days...revisionism seems to have won an almost complete victory...so abjectly profound a victory that no one even sees the irony anymore of Indians driving cars, living in houses, using medicare, and utilizing all the benefits of the white man's world, while soaking him for the unpardonable sin of taking him out of the stoneage subsistence life he had in pre-Columbian times.

I do not think it is the fact the they had to change lifestyles. I am guessing it has to do with genocide, centuries of racism and discrimination, broken treaties, residential schools, etc, etc.....

[mikedavid00]

Or the irony of people coming here in droves from filthy 3rd world shitholes or tyrannical political or religious morasses and demanding that we become one ourselves.

Regardless of multiculturalism, when you let in the sheer amount that we do in Canada (highest per capita in the world), you will have ghettoization and segregation. We also have this love afair with Asia countries.. ah yes they vote Liberal. We have a recognized terrorist country, Pakistan, being our 3rd largest origin of immigrants which is completely insane.

They don't come here with job opperutunity, they are just wandering out of the airport aimlessly looking for their relatives and.. just.. 'living here' as they work to bring more over.

Work? meh. who cares about that. We just let them in.

Ah, ah.. just remember who to vote for when election-time comes around.

Every day I see people in their cars who are simply landed here and unemployed. No care to integrate or work. Lazy, laid back, swerviing all over the roads, in full costume, on the cell phone, 3 kids, and not speaking english.

I'm just a 'whitey' who they choose not to talk or let their kids play with. They are only interested in their little family functions and having childred to secure the citizenship.

Who pays for all this? Ah yes.

[jbg]

They don't come here with job opperutunity, they are just wandering out of the airport aimlessly looking for their relatives and.. just.. 'living here' as they work to bring more over.

Work? meh. who cares about that. We just let them in.

Ah, ah.. just remember who to vote for when election-time comes around.

Every day I see people in their cars who are simply landed here and unemployed. No care to integrate or work. Lazy, laid back, swerviing all over the roads, in full costume, on the cell phone, 3 kids, and not speaking english.

I'm just a 'whitey' who they choose not to talk or let their kids play with. They are only interested in their little family functions and having childred to secure the citizenship.

Who pays for all this? Ah yes.

Great post.

I will point out that in America, where we don't pay for this, they do go to work. However, I am equally disgusted. A few days ago, driving from court in NYC back to my office, I stopped for gas outside La Guardia Airport. Surrounding one of the pumps were four cabs, with Aisan cab drivers, in full "uniform". While they were clearly working, they were also clearly working in a field with no hope of advancement.

I hope and pray that they are doing the right thing, and encouraging their children to learn good (not broken) English, and to merge into the US's culture.

[Leafless]

Unfortunately there's not a lot of real history about these days...revisionism seems to have won an almost complete victory...so abjectly profound a victory that no one even sees the irony anymore of Indians driving cars, living in houses, using medicare, and utilizing all the benefits of the white man's world, while soaking him for the unpardonable sin of taking him out of the stoneage subsistence life he had in pre-Columbian times.

I do not think it is the fact the they had to change lifestyles. I am guessing it has to do with genocide, centuries of racism and discrimination, broken treaties, residential schools, etc, etc.....

What genocide are you talking about?

You mean the same type of genocide Indians used against other Indian bands.

Broken treaties?

You know 1,000 or more have already been addressed, leaving a small number unsettled and some are even over a few acres.

Racism? Ever hear of reverse discrimination or is racism only limited to Whiteys?

Residential schools?

If you mean on reservations, I always assumed Indians want to look after their own policing and education on their exclusive, private reservations.

Indians already are the most subsidized group in Canada. You want hold my hand and I will show you where the washrooms are.