Next leader of the Liberals, and when?

[jdobbin]

You seem to have trouble reading. But you have indeed repeatedly overstated what I said about the American elections in order to make my predictions seem worse than they were. Maybe you should check back yourself. I am surprised to find you've only been on this board less than one year, and yet you have amassed over 7000 posts. Why do you spend so much time here?

Perhaps I type faster than you. Why do you respond to my posts if you feel they are so offensive to your eyes?

I never overstated your predictions. However, feel free to contradict me with links to those posts where you feel I have if you can. I will apologize profusely if you show me that you weren't predicting Republican triumph in the mid-terms.

[jazzer]

To attack Stephen Harper and the Conservative Party of Canada at every opportunity.

To make false accusations against those posters who don't share his views.

Better watch out sharkman, the accusations will be hurled at you soon enough.

Hypocisy in action.

[Michael Bluth]

Hypocisy in action.

Why am I being hypocitical?

Who have I hurled false accusations at?

[jazzer]

Hypocisy in action.

Why am I being hypocitical?

Who have I hurled false accusations at?

Think back. It'll come to ya.

[fellowtraveller]

I guess the mods are taking the weekend off.

I just don't see how a weak association with Carlyle can hurt McKenna that badly. I mean, think of the envioronment- both Martin and Dion survived an association with Adscam that was surely mopre toxic, Dion was elected leader in spite of it.

McKwenna has done all the right things for a run at the top job- the ambassadorship gave him some foreign creds that he badly needed, now he is a Bay Street bigwig/world class schmoozer of the rich and powerful. he has no job that ties him to a tight schedule, plenty of time to make and cultivate those people he needs. He reminds me of Brian Mulroney in a way.

Bilingual too.

I picked Dion 7 months before the Liberal leadership convention because it was obvious.

Trust me on this one. He will run at some point, and he will win.

[jbg]

Wow, what an uplifting discussion. I've learned more about stalking and the personal attributes of two screen names than I ever wanted to know, and almost nothing about Dion's qualifications for being a student in an CSL class.

[jdobbin]

Wow, what an uplifting discussion. I've learned more about stalking and the personal attributes of two screen names than I ever wanted to know, and almost nothing about Dion's qualifications for being a student in an CSL class.

And you've not added much to the discussion. Not that we wanted to hear you opinion of it anyways. My suggestion: contact the moderators or simply ignore the post.

[Michael Bluth]

I just don't see how a weak association with Carlyle can hurt McKenna that badly. I mean, think of the envioronment- both Martin and Dion survived an association with Adscam that was surely mopre toxic, Dion was elected leader in spite of it.

McKwenna has done all the right things for a run at the top job- the ambassadorship gave him some foreign creds that he badly needed, now he is a Bay Street bigwig/world class schmoozer of the rich and powerful. he has no job that ties him to a tight schedule, plenty of time to make and cultivate those people he needs. He reminds me of Brian Mulroney in a way.

Bilingual too.

I picked Dion 7 months before the Liberal leadership convention because it was obvious.

Trust me on this one. He will run at some point, and he will win.

I don't agree that McKenna has a weak association with Carlyle. But I also don't think it will be that big a deal.

I still think sitting out the leadership will end up hurting him.

While you may have picked Dion I don't think it was an obvious choice.

The leadership came down to whoever Kennedy was going to throw his support behind.

I honestly thought it was likely to be Ignatieff, but wouldn't have been shocked if Kennedy had gone with Rae.

I was flabbergasted that Kennedy went with Dion. I thought Kennedy was a much shrewder politician than that.

[capricorn]

I like McKenna and I think he would have had a good kick at the can regardless of his lack of charisma or his business credentials. If he wanted the leadership would he not have run in December? I get the feeling the man wants to slip into retirement and is not interested in a job that would be very, very hard on his personal life.

[Michael Bluth]

I like McKenna and I think he would have had a good kick at the can regardless of his lack of charisma or his business credentials. If he wanted the leadership would he not have run in December? I get the feeling the man wants to slip into retirement and is not interested in a job that would be very, very hard on his personal life.

Lacking charisma?

Never heard that one about McKenna. Seen him speak, he came across pretty well IMHO.

Why didn't he want to run in December? At the time everybody thought that the new Liberal leader was guaranteed 5 or 6 years in opposition.

Harper's having a much harder time in Government than expected. If the Liberals lose the coming election the party will blame it as Dion losing a winnable election.

If it's another Conservative minority you will probably see both the CPC and the LPC having leadership races within a year of the election.

A second Conservative minority Government wouldn't last as long as this one has so far.

[jbg]

Wow, what an uplifting discussion. I've learned more about stalking and the personal attributes of two screen names than I ever wanted to know, and almost nothing about Dion's qualifications for being a student in an CSL class.

And you've not added much to the discussion. Not that we wanted to hear you opinion of it anyways. My suggestion: contact the moderators or simply ignore the post.

I'm just disappointed in both parties to this.

And yes, I have contributed to the substance. I think Dion is a great choice of leader of HM's loyal opposition.

[jdobbin]

I'm just disappointed in both parties to this.

And yes, I have contributed to the substance. I think Dion is a great choice of leader of HM's loyal opposition.

You contributions of linking the left to Paul Bernardo are duly noted.

[jbg]

You contributions of linking the left to Paul Bernardo are duly noted.

That is wildly out of context, and its the second time you made that accusation. You never responding to my debunkment of it. My actual post was:

The left always employs a double standard. They want Paul Bernardo treated compassionately, but not som e innocent traveler whose head is sawed off for apostacy.

Are you going to tell me that any significant leftist constituency would support a true life term (i.e. not one where he's out in 24 years), consecutive sentences, or the death penalty for him? Would any significant leftist constituency support placing him, unguarded, in the general prison population? My post wasn't that far out of range.

[Michael Bluth]

That is wildly out of context, and its the second time you made that accusation. You never responding to my debunkment of it. My actual post was:

The left always employs a double standard. They want Paul Bernardo treated compassionately, but not som e innocent traveler whose head is sawed off for apostacy.

You're not saying that dobbin made a false accusation are you?

I'm disappointed in both parties to this quarrel.

[jbg]

You're not saying that dobbin made a false accusation are you? I'm disappointed in both parties to this quarrel.

I'm saying his research department could use a bit of work.

[geoffrey]

Are you going to tell me that any significant leftist constituency would support a true life term (i.e. not one where he's out in 24 years), consecutive sentences, or the death penalty for him? Would any significant leftist constituency support placing him, unguarded, in the general prison population? My post wasn't that far out of range.

Bernardo will never be out of jail, ever.

Why encourage more violence, death and loss by putting him in the general population?

Revenge is a terribly animalistic outcome, something those crazy Islamic terrorists you hate thrive on. Why are we so eager to watch people die? Modern humans don't do that.

[jbg]

Revenge is a terribly animalistic outcome, something those crazy Islamic terrorists you hate thrive on. Why are we so eager to watch people die? Modern humans don't do that.

Some people, such as Hitler and Bernardo, are that depraved, though in general I agree with you. I think we have to show unequivocally that mass murderers forfeit societies' succor.

[capricorn]

I like McKenna and I think he would have had a good kick at the can regardless of his lack of charisma or his business credentials. If he wanted the leadership would he not have run in December? I get the feeling the man wants to slip into retirement and is not interested in a job that would be very, very hard on his personal life.

Lacking charisma?

Never heard that one about McKenna. Seen him speak, he came across pretty well IMHO.

Why didn't he want to run in December? At the time everybody thought that the new Liberal leader was guaranteed 5 or 6 years in opposition.

Harper's having a much harder time in Government than expected. If the Liberals lose the coming election the party will blame it as Dion losing a winnable election.

If it's another Conservative minority you will probably see both the CPC and the LPC having leadership races within a year of the election.

A second Conservative minority Government wouldn't last as long as this one has so far.

I'm a woman. I don't find McKenna charismatic. I still believe in his abilities.

Now, Ignatieff, that's a different story. (Wink)

Different sexes, different views?

[BC_chick]

You contributions of linking the left to Paul Bernardo are duly noted.

JBG practicing Harper-style debating again? Paul Bernardo and left?

Check this one out, IMO, it's the sickest thing I've seen yet on this forum (and that says a alot):

Is it possible Figleaf your bias and preconceived notions as to Iran preclude you from conveiving that it funds terrorist activities? Do you think that could be true?

For him, the only good Jew or Christian is a dead one.

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index....ndpost&p=226187

If that was directed at me, I would not rest until I got him suspended.

PS, jbg, you can't even say this was was out of context. The smear was clearly the only content of the post. LOL

[jbg]

If that was directed at me, I would not rest until I got him suspended.

PS, jbg, you can't even say this was was out of context. The smear was the only content of the post. LOL

I was expressing an opinion on another screen name's beliefs. I do apologize though. I've read more of Figleaf's posts and I do not believe it to be true.

[Michael Bluth]

I'm a woman. I don't find McKenna charismatic. I still believe in his abilities.

Now, Ignatieff, that's a different story. (Wink)

Different sexes, different views?

Fair enough but he's not really lacking in charisma IMO. Compare him to Stephane Dion or Stephen Harper.

McKenna's only really issue with the ladies is he's a bit of a wee lad.

Iggy? I'm sure he had his fair share of Young Liberal slags back in the day.

[jdobbin]

That is wildly out of context, and its the second time you made that accusation. You never responding to my debunkment of it. My actual post was:

The left always employs a double standard. They want Paul Bernardo treated compassionately, but not som e innocent traveler whose head is sawed off for apostacy.

Are you going to tell me that any significant leftist constituency would support a true life term (i.e. not one where he's out in 24 years), consecutive sentences, or the death penalty for him? Would any significant leftist constituency support placing him, unguarded, in the general prison population? My post wasn't that far out of range.

Would you give it a rest? I have not seen once instance of anyone asking for a light sentence nor having him released even after his sentence is up. Most people are contemplating that he will identified as a dangerous offender and never be released.

You keep saying the left is asking for compassion. I have no doubt that you have no proof of that and you are just running your mouth.

[jbg]

Most people are contemplating that he will identified as a dangerous offender and never be released.

You keep saying the left is asking for compassion. I have no doubt that you have no proof of that and you are just running your mouth.

Is there any authority that allows an offender to be held beyond 25 years?

[jdobbin]

I'm saying his research department could use a bit of work.

I'll keep up the charge until you clear up which members of the left are calling for compassion for Bernardo.

[jdobbin]

Is there any authority that allows an offender to be held beyond 25 years?

Yes. And it is being contemplated for Bernardo.

You have access to legal books. I'm sure you will find it in there.