AGAIN! O'Connor doesn't know what is going on!

[Argus]

First, I think this came from someone. I don't know if it was an opposition researcher directed to call all the families or whether someone in the media did it. But someone contacted all the families looking for someone who had expenses which hadn't been covered And someone arranged for this family to come to Ottawa to give a news conference.

And it turned out the "funeral expenses" not covered involved this family renting out an entire hockey arena and inviting thousands of people to the huge event they made of the solemn occasion. I would think that even with soldiers' funerals we have to draw the line somewhere in what the family wants to expense to us.

The average cost of a funeral is $7,500. It seems like some Tory supporters here are pissing all over the families about getting less than $5000 to cover those costs.

Just who exactly is supporting the troops?

It sure wasn't the Liberals, who didn't bother to change the stipend in 13 years in office, and who never mentioned it before now. I guess it would be the Tories, who are getting ready to increase the amount.

I wonder how many Canadians have died over there because the Liberals never bothered to equip them properly.

[Argus]

Actually, alexandra, Harper did say today that they would get what was reasonable, and you full well know it.

What exactly is wrong with saying we will pay all reasonable costs? If a family wants to rent out Air Canada Place, hire an orchestra, and then build a fifty foot high monument to their son, surrounded by fountains and gardens, are we to pay for all that too?

[jdobbin]

It sure wasn't the Liberals, who didn't bother to change the stipend in 13 years in office, and who never mentioned it before now. I guess it would be the Tories, who are getting ready to increase the amount.

I wonder how many Canadians have died over there because the Liberals never bothered to equip them properly.

And now the Tories piss all over the families of dead soldiers. Well done.

[Canuck E Stan]

It sure wasn't the Liberals, who didn't bother to change the stipend in 13 years in office, and who never mentioned it before now. I guess it would be the Tories, who are getting ready to increase the amount.

I wonder how many Canadians have died over there because the Liberals never bothered to equip them properly.

And now the Tories piss all over the families in dead soldiers. Well done.

Urinating on dead soldiers families?

Dobbin,Dobbin,Dobbin.I expect better from you.

What next, a Hitler comment?

[jdobbin]

Urinating on dead soldiers families?

Dobbin,Dobbin,Dobbin.I expect better from you.

What next, a Hitler comment?

Just commenting on how the Tories treated families in regards to funerals.

[Michael Bluth]

And now the Tories piss all over the families in dead soldiers. Well done.

Urinating on dead soldiers families?

Dobbin,Dobbin,Dobbin.I expect better from you.

What next, a Hitler comment?

Great point Stan.

To go to the extreme of saying "the Tories piss all over the families in dead soldiers" is:

1. Disgusting.

2. Disrespectful to the families.

3. Disrespectful to all members of the military.

4. Completely beyond any bounds of what could be considered debate.

Shouldn't this merit some sort of warning from the powers that be here?

[jdobbin]

Harper frames the debate as who is the better Canadian.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/05/31/...als-debate.html

"When the leader of the Opposition is able to stand in uniform and serve his country then I'll care about his opinion of the performance of the minister of defence."

Harper's comments were met with a chorus of shouts from opposition MPs, as House Speaker Peter Milliken begged for order.

Liberal MP Michael Ignatieff was quick to counter Harper.

"I can't remember the prime minister's service record," he said, as Liberal MPs around him laughed.

Harper didn't let the remark go unanswered.

"It's true I've never served in the Armed Forces. I consider that an experience in my life that I've missed," he said.

So, are only Canadians who served in the military really Canadians? What does Harper mean?

[Michael Bluth]

Dobbin, there is no way you say something so atrocious and ignore it.

To go to the extreme of saying "the Tories piss all over the families in dead soldiers" is:

1. Disgusting.

2. Disrespectful to the families.

3. Disrespectful to all members of the military.

4. Completely beyond any bounds of what could be considered debate.

Shouldn't this merit some sort of warning from the powers that be here?

[jdobbin]

I think even Tory supporters here have said that O'Connor is a liability. You have to wonder when they tongue tied minister who constantly gets it wrong in the House is going to get fired.

[Canuck E Stan]

Urinating on dead soldiers families?

Dobbin,Dobbin,Dobbin.I expect better from you.

What next, a Hitler comment?

Just commenting on how the Tories treated families in regards to funerals.

The Tories don't urinate on dead soldiers families in regards to funerals.

Canadians of all stripes have much more respect of the military than to comment the way you did.

To make such a statement and attribute it to someone else makes me wonder what goes on in your head.

Dissapointed in your selection of words.

[jdobbin]

The Tories don't urinate on dead soldiers families in regards to funerals.

Canadians of all stripes have much more respect of the military than to comment the way you did.

To make such a statement and attribute it to someone else makes me wonder what goes on in your head.

Dissapointed in your selection of words.

Please. Give me a break. Tories should stop playing the victim here. When they start talking about who makes a better Canadian, they lose all credibility.

[Michael Bluth]

The Tories don't urinate on dead soldiers families in regards to funerals.

Canadians of all stripes have much more respect of the military than to comment the way you did.

To make such a statement and attribute it to someone else makes me wonder what goes on in your head.

Dissapointed in your selection of words.

It sickens me to think that these brave soldiers are giving their lives to ensure dobbin's right to post such hateful things.

[Canuck E Stan]

The Tories don't urinate on dead soldiers families in regards to funerals.

Canadians of all stripes have much more respect of the military than to comment the way you did.

To make such a statement and attribute it to someone else makes me wonder what goes on in your head.

Dissapointed in your selection of words.

Please. Give me a break. Tories should stop playing the victim here. When they start talking about who makes a better Canadian, they lose all credibility.

As a Canadian(you are Canadian?), do you feel urinating on dead soldiers families is something ANY Canadian would do?

[guyser]

The Tories don't urinate on dead soldiers families in regards to funerals.

Canadians of all stripes have much more respect of the military than to comment the way you did.

To make such a statement and attribute it to someone else makes me wonder what goes on in your head.

Dissapointed in your selection of words.

It sickens me to think that these brave soldiers are giving their lives to ensure dobbin's right to post such hateful things.

But this was posted earlier and no one takes issue. Hmmm....................

"My experience is Lefties have a profound dissaproval of all things military, and all spending on the military, and that their reflexive, knee-jerk anti-militarism extends to sneering contemptuously at soldiers, regarding them as ignorant, uneducated, violently inclined rabble. And certainly the Liberals didn't mind offering them around to any location in the world that the government thought would make itself look magninimous, but they never put much effort into properly equipping them. That's why they went to Afghanistan with those crappy little jeeps which got some of them killed. That's why they went to Afghanistan with no supply helicopters - thus neccesitating long, dangerous convoy supply missions that got and is continuing to get more of them killed. That's why so much of their equipment is in danger of rust-out, and why there aren't enough of them."

Gander....goose . Ok, I will concede without the pissing part.

[jdobbin]

As a Canadian(you are Canadian?), do you feel urinating on dead soldiers families is something ANY Canadian would do?

I think the Tories have accused Liberals of being tied to terrorism or supportive of Taliban. As a Canadian, do you really think the Liberal support the Taliban?

[jdobbin]

"My experience is Lefties have a profound dissaproval of all things military, and all spending on the military, and that their reflexive, knee-jerk anti-militarism extends to sneering contemptuously at soldiers, regarding them as ignorant, uneducated, violently inclined rabble. And certainly the Liberals didn't mind offering them around to any location in the world that the government thought would make itself look magninimous, but they never put much effort into properly equipping them. That's why they went to Afghanistan with those crappy little jeeps which got some of them killed. That's why they went to Afghanistan with no supply helicopters - thus neccesitating long, dangerous convoy supply missions that got and is continuing to get more of them killed. That's why so much of their equipment is in danger of rust-out, and why there aren't enough of them."

I believe it was the Tories that sold the heavy lift helicopters as well. The Dutch are now using them...in Afghanistan.

[Michael Bluth]

"My experience is Lefties have a profound dissaproval of all things military, and all spending on the military, and that their reflexive, knee-jerk anti-militarism extends to sneering contemptuously at soldiers, regarding them as ignorant, uneducated, violently inclined rabble. And certainly the Liberals didn't mind offering them around to any location in the world that the government thought would make itself look magninimous, but they never put much effort into properly equipping them. That's why they went to Afghanistan with those crappy little jeeps which got some of them killed. That's why they went to Afghanistan with no supply helicopters - thus neccesitating long, dangerous convoy supply missions that got and is continuing to get more of them killed. That's why so much of their equipment is in danger of rust-out, and why there aren't enough of them."

Gander....goose . Ok, I will concede without the pissing part.

Guyser it seems that dobbin's outrageous statement proved the point of the comment you posted.

To say somebody is pissing on somebody else is completely disrespectful for both parties.

It dehumanizes both parties and shows utter contempt for them.

[jdobbin]

It appears the stalker is about too. Ooo, scary, scary, scary.

[Michael Bluth]

It appears the stalker is about too. Ooo, scary, scary, scary.

This is about your lack of respect for your military and the office of the Prime Minister.

Please keep your little histrionical games quiet. Where they belong.

[Keepitsimple]

O'Connor is simply guilty of being a bad politician. I read in one of the papers that he still acts like a General - he gives orders and naively thinks that they will be followed to the letter. He doesn't have the political instincts to double-check everything before he opens his mouth. He's an honourable guy who obviously cares deeply about every aspect of the military - he's just not cut out for politics.

[jdobbin]

O'Connor is simply guilty of being a bad politician. I read in one of the papers that he still acts like a General - he gives orders and naively thinks that they will be followed to the letter. He doesn't have the political instincts to double-check everything before he opens his mouth. He's an honourable guy who obviously cares deeply about every aspect of the military - he's just not cut out for politics.

I think the least he could have said when asked about funerals is that he would look into it and respond later. It is a common thing and is not dishonourable. So many of the fires in his department are a result of him speaking first and not checking what the facts are. The rest of the time he stays tight lipped so people are really not aware of what Defence is doing when it comes to many of the things it does.

[Michael Bluth]

I think the least he could have said when asked about funerals is that he would look into it and respond later. It is a common thing and is not dishonourable. So many of the fires in his department are a result of him speaking first and not checking what the facts are. The rest of the time he stays tight lipped so people are really not aware of what Defence is doing when it comes to many of the things it does.

You are talking about the honour of other people?

After using such a despicable term as "piss all over the families".

Unfreakin' believable.

[Canuck E Stan]

As a Canadian(you are Canadian?), do you feel urinating on dead soldiers families is something ANY Canadian would do?

I think the Tories have accused Liberals of being tied to terrorism or supportive of Taliban. As a Canadian, do you really think the Liberal support the Taliban?

Are the Taliban fellow Canadians in the military? Would you make a comment on urinating on their Family members?

[Canuck E Stan]

He's an honourable guy who obviously cares deeply about every aspect of the military - he's just not cut out for politics.

He cares deeply for the military but being a Tory, you say he would urinate on dead soldiers families.

[Michael Bluth]

He's an honourable guy who obviously cares deeply about every aspect of the military - he's just not cut out for politics.

He cares deeply for the military but being a Tory, you say he would urinate on dead soldiers families.

Come on Stan let's be fair.

Keepitsimple seems reasonable, rational and a decent person.

There is no way he would use a term like "piss on the families" or even condone it's use.

Is there?