1967100 Posted April 27, 2007 Report Posted April 27, 2007 It was Chretien who stole their money in the scandal, not martin. Yet we ended up kicking martin and denying him a majority government. We should be ashamed of ourselves. Martin got kicked, and Chretien is playing golf when he should be in prison. Congrats democracy! Quote
BornAlbertan Posted April 27, 2007 Report Posted April 27, 2007 It was Chretien who stole their money in the scandal, not martin. Yet we ended up kicking martin and denying him a majority government. We should be ashamed of ourselves. Martin got kicked, and Chretien is playing golf when he should be in prison. Congrats democracy! Because we are for the most part f***ing morons? Quote
segnosaur Posted April 29, 2007 Report Posted April 29, 2007 It was Chretien who stole their money in the scandal, not martin. Yet we ended up kicking martin and denying him a majority government. We should be ashamed of ourselves. Martin got kicked, and Chretien is playing golf when he should be in prison. Congrats democracy! Well, there are a couple of reasons that the Liberals under Martin may have lost the election (even if Chretien was in power during the scandal). First of all, while Chretien was the leader, there were plenty of lower-level Liberals who were involved. Since there was no guarantee that they all left with Chretien, had the Liberals won the last election we could have continued to have Liberal scams, even with a new leader. (Not that I'm suggesting any other party will be perfectly innocent.) Secondly, while Chretien was the leader and seemed to be the most affected by ad-scam, we still don't know whether Martin knew anything. Remember, Martin WAS a senior minister from Quebec, and he did have many contacts in the province (as part of his leadership goals.) If all that stuff was going on while he was in cabinet, then either 1) he knew about it and was part of the coverup, or 2) he was oblivous/incompetent to the scams when he should have known better. Neither option is particularly inspiring. Oh, and while you're busy praising Martin as the innocent victim... keep in mind that many of the details of ad-scam could have been revealed much ealier, except Martin had a commons committee investigating the scandal end their work early before they could reveal anything too damaging. Perhaps a cunning move on his part, but not exactly the move of someone who is particually eager to run a clean government. Quote
BornAlbertan Posted April 30, 2007 Report Posted April 30, 2007 I guess I should have read the post rather than the topic... However...if you think the Liberal contempt stopped with Chretien, you truly are misinformed. Martin was a ditherer. Ditherers get dithered by history. Too bad soo sad you were a pathetic leader and forever will be remembered as a fool. Quote
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