Thousands of Israelis Seek Refugee Status

[jdobbin]

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cf...07&ItemID=11981

More than 500 Israelis applied for refugee status in Canada last year, up from 253 in 2000. The acceptance rate rose from 5 per cent to 31 per cent in 2005 and 18 per cent last year, when IRB accepted 45 claims -- an implicit recognition that these individuals suffered persecution in a state that could not protect their rights.

"In terms of refugee determination, the [questions are]: does the person have a well-founded fear of persecution, is there no other in-country flight alternative, and is there state protection available?" IRB spokeswoman Melissa Anderson said.

[Robert777]

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cf...07&ItemID=11981

More than 500 Israelis applied for refugee status in Canada last year, up from 253 in 2000. The acceptance rate rose from 5 per cent to 31 per cent in 2005 and 18 per cent last year, when IRB accepted 45 claims -- an implicit recognition that these individuals suffered persecution in a state that could not protect their rights.

"In terms of refugee determination, the [questions are]: does the person have a well-founded fear of persecution, is there no other in-country flight alternative, and is there state protection available?" IRB spokeswoman Melissa Anderson said.

WHAT a bunch of horse hoowy. That is like accepting US residents as refugees. Sounds like someone is trying to get out of their military duty to me. Send the bums back home. We have enough cowards living in Canada, especially members of the Liberal Party.

PROUD TO BE A REFORMER, BUY A GUN AND PO A LIBERAL! :angry:

[August1991]

"Thousands"?

This statistic says alot more about Canada's refugee system than it does about Israel.

During the 1995–2004 period, the top 10 countries of alleged persecution accounted for 46% of refugee claimants in Canada: China, Colombia, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Hungary, India, Iran, Mexico, Nigeria, Pakistan and Sri Lanka.

Link

Hungary? Fourth?

[Canuck E Stan]

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cf...07&ItemID=11981

More than 500 Israelis applied for refugee status in Canada last year, up from 253 in 2000. The acceptance rate rose from 5 per cent to 31 per cent in 2005 and 18 per cent last year, when IRB accepted 45 claims -- an implicit recognition that these individuals suffered persecution in a state that could not protect their rights.

"In terms of refugee determination, the [questions are]: does the person have a well-founded fear of persecution, is there no other in-country flight alternative, and is there state protection available?" IRB spokeswoman Melissa Anderson said.

Dobbin,

what the (#&$%#) is your point?

Immigration to Canada

Ottawa has increased its annual immigration target to the highest level in 25 years, and aims to accept between 240,000 and 265,000 newcomers in 2007

There were 262,236 accepted in 2005, a higher-than-projected number.

What is you problem??

250,000 immigrants each year and you have a problem with 500 Israelis applying for refugee status.

Shame on you.

[jdobbin]

Dobbin,

what the (#&$%#) is your point?

Immigration to Canada

Ottawa has increased its annual immigration target to the highest level in 25 years, and aims to accept between 240,000 and 265,000 newcomers in 2007

There were 262,236 accepted in 2005, a higher-than-projected number.

What is you problem??

250,000 immigrants each year and you have a problem with 500 Israelis applying for refugee status.

Shame on you.

What's your problem? It is the Jewish community here in Canada and in Israel that is asking why Israel has jumped to the top ten when it comes to refugee claims.

Shame of you for not recognizing the difference between refugees and immigrants.

I have no problems with immigrants but I do wonder why there are so many Israeli refugees.

[jdobbin]

"Thousands"?

This statistic says alot more about Canada's refugee system than it does about Israel.

During the 1995–2004 period, the top 10 countries of alleged persecution accounted for 46% of refugee claimants in Canada: China, Colombia, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Hungary, India, Iran, Mexico, Nigeria, Pakistan and Sri Lanka.

Link

Hungary? Fourth?

Hungary was one that made me wonder as well. Some people might have concerns that there are so many from Mexico and India. I don't don't what the claims made from those countries are but I am curious to find out.

[Robert777]

"Thousands"?

This statistic says alot more about Canada's refugee system than it does about Israel.

During the 1995–2004 period, the top 10 countries of alleged persecution accounted for 46% of refugee claimants in Canada: China, Colombia, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Hungary, India, Iran, Mexico, Nigeria, Pakistan and Sri Lanka.

Link

Hungary? Fourth?

Hungary was one that made me wonder as well. Some people might have concerns that there are so many from Mexico and India. I don't don't what the claims made from those countries are but I am curious to find out.

Alot of times, people are seeking refugee status, because they want to get out of military service. They is probably the reason for the Israeli refugee claimants.

PROUD TO BE A REFORMER, BUY A GUN AND PO A LIBERAL! :angry:

[Canuck E Stan]

Shame of you for not recognizing the difference between refugees and immigrants.

I have no problems with immigrants but I do wonder why there are so many Israeli refugees.

I know the difference and I don't have a problem with immigrants OR Refugees.

Why do you,because they are Israelis?

With the hunderds of thousands of Refugees,why are you so surprised that 500 people from Israel want refugee status.

How about 200 Americans? Surprised?

Does it really matter where they come from...or their reason for wanting to leave? They want to leave.

Your Israeli bias is showing through.

Shame on you for this kind of thinking.

Canadian Refugee Facts

Source: Government of Canada

* According to Canadian government estimates, 4,025,546 people emigrated to Canada between 1979 and 2001. Of those, 409,526 (15.4%) arrived as refugees: 232,337 under government sponsorship and 177,189 sponsored privately.

* Almost 25,000 people made refugee claims in Canada between January and September of 2003. 12% of those claims were made at airports; 36% at the border, and 52% inland.

* From January to September 2003, 69% of refugee claims were made in Ontario, 23% in Quebec, 5% in BC, 2% in the Prairies and less than 1% in the Atlantic region.

* About 40% of refugee claims filed in Canada are accepted and claimants given permission to stay in Canada.

* At the end of September 2003, about 46,000 claims were awaiting a hearing or decision from the Immigration and Refugee Board.

* According to the UN, there were over 10 million refugees in the world in

2002. That same year, according to Canadian government figures, 15,228

people (47% of those who applied) were accepted into Canada as refugees.

Canada is not among the world's leading destinations for refugees: the

majority go across their own national borders and no further.

[jdobbin]

Alot of times, people are seeking refugee status, because they want to get out of military service. They is probably the reason for the Israeli refugee claimants.

I have no idea what the majority of the reason for high Israeli refugee claims are. The Israeli government is upset though that Canada seems to think that the people making the claims face persecution if they stay.

[jdobbin]

I know the difference and I don't have a problem with immigrants OR Refugees.

Why do you,because they are Israelis?

With the hunderds of thousands of Refugees,why are you so surprised that 500 people from Israel want refugee status.

How about 200 Americans? Surprised?

Does it really matter where they come from...or their reason for wanting to leave? They want to leave.

Your Israeli bias is showing through.

Shame on you for this kind of thinking.

Shame of you for being a jackass. Israelis, and Americans for that matter, should not be given refugee status when they come from democratic countries that have laws to protect them from persecution. If they want to leave, they shouldn't be jumping the immigration queues. The Israelis and American governments have had a problem with our refugee policy because it encourages people to claim status for things such as avoiding military service in Iraq.

So pull your head out of it.

[Canuck E Stan]

Shame of you for being a jackass. Israelis, and Americans for that matter, should not be given refugee status when they come from democratic countries that have laws to protect them from persecution. If they want to leave, they shouldn't be jumping the immigration queues. The Israelis and American governments have had a problem with our refugee policy because it encourages people to claim status for things such as avoiding military service in Iraq.

So pull your head out of it.

If you can't understand a persons needs to leave quickly ...because of desperation, then you need to think why they do it ( which doesn't mean they will get status from Canada)

Think,Dobbin,think.

Remember what's going on in that part of the world.

FACT: It is not always easy to separate refugees fleeing persecution from others fleeing economic instability in the countries from which they flee.

An April 2003 study done by the U.K. based Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR) found that the majority of asylum seekers are driven by "conflict and repression rather than economic factors...1

In a detailed analysis of refugee trends, the study concluded the ten most common countries of origin of asylum-seekers in Western Europe are linked by their chronic instability, rather than their poverty.

[jdobbin]

If you can't understand a persons needs to leave quickly ...because of desperation, then you need to think why they do it ( which doesn't mean they will get status from Canada)

Think,Dobbin,think.

Remember what's going on in that part of the world.

From Israel? So you think that Israel actually does persecute these people and they have no choice to leave even though the Israeli government says they won't be persecuted? Wow, and you call me anti-Israel.

[Canuck E Stan]

From Israel? So you think that Israel actually does persecute these people and they have no choice to leave even though the Israeli government says they won't be persecuted? Wow, and you call me anti-Israel.

If only you could read....tsk tsk. Let me try again.

In a detailed analysis of refugee trends, the study concluded the ten most common countries of origin of asylum-seekers in Western Europe are linked by their chronic instability, rather than their poverty.

Key words here are "asylum seekers" and "chronic instability" like maybe, constantly getting bombed, suicide bombers, and constant fear of death.

Not all asylum seekers have to be in a state of persecution or in poverty.

I don't think in this situation 500 people is a lot. Why do you?

[jdobbin]

If only you could read....tsk tsk. Let me try again.

Key words here are "asylum seekers" and "chronic instability" like maybe, constantly getting bombed, suicide bombers, and constant fear of death.

Not all asylum seekers have to be in a state of persecution or in poverty.

I don't think in this situation 500 people is a lot. Why do you?

I don't think chronic instability rates the same as persecution, do you? I think it is a perversion of what refugee status is all about. This is what Israel's issue is.

[Canuck E Stan]

500 applied-31% accepted.

I still don't understand your issue with this, or any other refugee reason for coming to Canada.

Based on the number of refugees each year and almost every year( 400,000+) why does this small number of Israelis(185) bother you?

[jdobbin]

500 applied-31% accepted.

I still don't understand your issue with this, or any other refugee reason for coming to Canada.

Based on the number of refugees each year and almost every year( 400,000+) why does this small number of Israelis(185) bother you?

If a refugee isn't actually being persecuted, I think it is immigration queue jumping. You still haven't answered my question: do you think they are being persecuted in Israel or does the government of Israel have a legitimate beef with Canada for accepting refugees from Israel?

[Robert777]

500 applied-31% accepted.

I still don't understand your issue with this, or any other refugee reason for coming to Canada.

Based on the number of refugees each year and almost every year( 400,000+) why does this small number of Israelis(185) bother you?

If a refugee isn't actually being persecuted, I think it is immigration queue jumping. You still haven't answered my question: do you think they are being persecuted in Israel or does the government of Israel have a legitimate beef with Canada for accepting refugees from Israel?

The government of Israel has a legitimiate beef with the government of Canada. Send these draft dodgers back home.

PROUD TO BE A REFORMER, BUY A GUN AND PO A LIBERAL! :angry:

[Saturn]

Hungary was one that made me wonder as well. Some people might have concerns that there are so many from Mexico and India. I don't don't what the claims made from those countries are but I am curious to find out.

Simple. Primarily gypsies, who figure they'll be accepted because we all know that gypsies are persecuted for their black eyes.

What's interesting here is not the number of refugee claimants but their success rate. I can't imagine why Israelis have a 31% success rate. Maybe they are all gypsies too

[Saturn]

What is you problem??

250,000 immigrants each year and you have a problem with 500 Israelis applying for refugee status.

Shame on you.

The problem is that immigrants and refugees are two very different groups and Israelis can be immigrants but not refugees. Unless in your opinion Israel is some third world country run by a brutal dictatorship that imprisons and kills people for their political views.

[jdobbin]

Simple. Primarily gypsies, who figure they'll be accepted because we all know that gypsies are persecuted for their black eyes.

What's interesting here is not the number of refugee claimants but their success rate. I can't imagine why Israelis have a 31% success rate. Maybe they are all gypsies too

I have no idea if the primary source of refugees from Hungary are roma. I'd be interested in hearing though.