Little Mosque on the Prairie's Ratings Plummet

Michael Bluth · October 24, 2007

I wont argue the waste that can occur at the CBC , but moving what makes money is well kind of goofy.
But you dont want to do anything about the CBC but to kill it , we know that. For reasons that are transparent. Perhaps if they showed a Steve love-in you would be happy?

I have never argued that the CBC should be killed.

Just pick a model.

Private-for-profit broadcaster that has the choice to pick on whichever ideology or segment of the Canadian population it wants.

OR

Public broadcaster that is respectful to all Canadians and does not try and compete where the marketplace will provide a solution.

Don't force taxpayers to pay for a broadcaster that goes out of its way to be disrespectful to them.

Edited October 24, 2007 by Michael Bluth

jdobbin · October 24, 2007

I've never come across any policy to kill the CBC in the Conservative playbooks.
Love to see it, but then the central Canadian pro-everyone else crowd would "make them pay" at the polls. Steve is too scared of his own shadow to do what's right.

Given the hatred of the CBC by some Tory members here, I would not be surprised if it is pushed as a policy.

The whole broadcast and cable industry is coddled and protected. It is hard to listen to them whine on Canadian productions when they substitute ads, simulcast and block channels from the U.S.

Flaherty has been saying it is up to the consumer. The consumer has made a choice. It is satellite and it is free because the police don't prosecute it.

Edited October 24, 2007 by jdobbin

Michael Bluth · October 24, 2007

Give the hatred of the CBC by some Tory members here, I would not be surprised if it is pushed as a policy.

No official policy exists. So it's back to the old *scary* *scary* *scary* standby. It's really tough to have a coherent debate when there is no evidence or support given.

The whole broadcast and cable industry is coddled and protected. It is hard to listen to them whine on Canadian productions when they substitute ads, simulcast and block channels from the U.S.

Again with the personal insults that aren't allowed to be posted by most members?

Don't know why?

The CBC receives a far higher level of subsidies than any other Canadian broadcaster. Is it a bad thing to provide a level playing field?

Edited October 24, 2007 by Michael Bluth

guyser · October 24, 2007

I have never argued that the CBC should be killed.

OK.

Don't force taxpayers to pay for a broadcaster that goes out of its way to be disrespectful to them.

Dissing whom?

It is entertainment and it is not being disrespectful to anyone.They are an equal opportunity slagger.

Unless you mean denigrating all the salty captains - Relic The Beachcombers.

or insulting all of us with The Forest Rangers ...

or all the voting sock puppets who were insulted when The Friendly Giant stuck his hand up Finnegans butt.

Perhaps it was the lack of diversity on Reach for the Top , all the immigrants who were ignored are still angry. I can feel their burn.

guyser · October 24, 2007

Again with the personal insults that aren't allowed to be posted by most members?
Don't know why?

So some can and some cant?

guyser · October 24, 2007

Hey , steve's in power now. He can do what he wants with it. You could mention it at your next luncheon.

Michael Bluth · October 24, 2007

Dissing whom?

Dissing Libertarians by calling them bigots.

So some can and some cant?

Some posters have received warnings for behaviour that others are allowed to continue with over and over and over again.

Edited October 24, 2007 by Michael Bluth

jdobbin · October 24, 2007

So some can and some cant?

I was referring to the Canadian cable and broadcast industry and their whining about possible changes by the CRTC. I'm pretty sure that insults refer to namecalling but if someone has a problem, please report it.

Edited October 24, 2007 by jdobbin

jdobbin · October 24, 2007

Hey , steve's in power now. He can do what he wants with it. You could mention it at your next luncheon.

Yes, the impression by some members is that they are pushing for either the end or cutting off public funding of the CBC as a policy.

The idea that the CBC is the only one receiving money ignores the fact that the cable industry and broadcasters are given hundreds of millions in protection by simulcast rules, replacement ads on cable channel, ownership restrictions, help with funding programs and lighter rules on how Canadian service is provided.

Edited October 25, 2007 by jdobbin

Michael Bluth · October 24, 2007

The idea that the CBC is the only one receiving money ignores the fact that the cable industry and broadcasters are given hundreds of millions in protection by simulcast rules, replacement ads on cable channel, ownership restrictions, help with funding programs and lighter rules on how Canadian service is provided.

Yet another falsification.

From post # 178 in this thread.

The CBC receives a far higher level of subsidies than any other Canadian broadcaster. Is it a bad thing to provide a level playing field?

'Far higher' doesn't mean, or even imply, the other person receives none.

guyser · October 24, 2007

Yes, the impression by some members is that they are pushing either the end or cutting off public funding of the CBC as a policy.
The idea that the CBC is the only one receiving money ignores the fact that the cable industry and broadcasters are given hundreds of millions in protection by simulcast rules, replacement ads on cable channel, ownership restrictions, help with funding programs and lighter rules on how Canadian service is provided.

Not to mention that the CBC is handcuffed by not haivng access to the same rules, namely the commercial allotments allowed per broadcast, nor the ability to charge a fee to watch as all other companies can.

Pretty much every broadcaster in Canada can apply to the CTF for funding of programs. The money comes into the fund from distributors of tv (Shaw, Rogers, Quebecor)

The CBC , while funded through govt appropriation , it too gets money from the CTF , but also funds earned through the sale of shows, advertising and specialty channels. It is about $750M , no small chump change.

(But nobody does hockey better)

Michael Bluth · October 25, 2007

(But nobody does hockey better)

Nobody has been given the chance to do it wiht the revenues (and concurrent budget) associated with HNIC.

It's too bad the TSN/CTV bid wasn't successful.

The innovations they would have brought to the table would have turned heads.

jdobbin · October 25, 2007

Not to mention that the CBC is handcuffed by not haivng access to the same rules, namely the commercial allotments allowed per broadcast, nor the ability to charge a fee to watch as all other companies can.
Pretty much every broadcaster in Canada can apply to the CTF for funding of programs. The money comes into the fund from distributors of tv (Shaw, Rogers, Quebecor)

The CBC , while funded through govt appropriation , it too gets money from the CTF , but also funds earned through the sale of shows, advertising and specialty channels. It is about $750M , no small chump change.

(But nobody does hockey better)

The private broadcasters by their own admission get over $200 million from simulcasting. They make hundreds of millions more by keeping networks like USA off the air in Canada. This gives CTV exclusive rights on a show like Law & Order Criminal Intent which is not shown on any other network other than USA.

HBO is kept off Canadian television giving broadcasters in Canada millions of dollars on movie exclusive rights and TV series such as the Sopranos.

ESPN is kept off Canadian TV giving CTV, Rogers and other broadcasters tens of millions each year in protection.

The cable companies are able to substitute ads on networks like Spike and make millions.

TV channels like YTV and Vision get exclusive cable numbers and subscriber money paid for by taxpayers. It is worth millions.

The CTF provides $200 million to private and public broadcasters. More millions are provided by the NFB and Telefilm Canada.

Ownership restrictions make some of these family companies in TV takeover proof and it is worth hundreds of millions to those owners.

The idea that there is a level playing field is laughable since the CBC doesn't pay for any American TV series for the most part leaving the market to Canwest and CTV. Canadian content was relaxed so that CTV and Global do daily entertainment shows so they don't have to do as much Canadian drama or comedy series. It is worth tens of millions to each network.

Edited October 25, 2007 by jdobbin

guyser · October 25, 2007

Nobody has been given the chance to do it wiht the revenues (and concurrent budget) associated with HNIC.
It's too bad the TSN/CTV bid wasn't successful.

The innovations they would have brought to the table would have turned heads.

Yes yes michael, FOX and NBC have such limited budgets that they could not compete.

As for TSN/CTV, they could have ponied up and had the product , but perhaps not the eyes to watch?

Hey this is steves baby! Why you dissing on him for keeping this alive?

Michael Bluth · October 25, 2007

Yes yes michael, FOX and NBC have such limited budgets that they could not compete.
As for TSN/CTV, they could have ponied up and had the product , but perhaps not the eyes to watch?

Hey this is steves baby! Why you dissing on him for keeping this alive?

wtf are you saying?

This doesn't make any sense at all.

Shakeyhands · October 25, 2007

wtf are you saying?
This doesn't make any sense at all.

Boy, for someone who complains so much about other posters, did you think that was actually appropriate?

Michael Bluth · October 25, 2007

Boy, for someone who complains so much about other posters, did you think that was actually appropriate?

Can you tell me what he was trying to say?

ps, nice contribution shakey :rolleyes:

Shakeyhands · October 25, 2007

Can you tell me what he was trying to say?
ps, nice contribution shakey

You intimated that no other network could complete with CBC given the revenues associated with HNIC and the lack of someone else be able to win a bid

Nobody has been given the chance to do it wiht the revenues (and concurrent budget) associated with HNIC.
It's too bad the TSN/CTV bid wasn't successful.

The innovations they would have brought to the table would have turned heads.

Guyser is saying that NBC or Fox have vastly larger budgets and could compete for HNIC if so inclined.

But the main point that you made that you yourself killed was that CTV/TSN had the chance to compete in an open bid and couldn't beat CBC, boy, the free market wins again!

and further, your comment wasn't appropriate especially given all the crying about other posters that you have been doing, talking about contributions :rolleyes:

Michael Bluth · October 25, 2007

You intimated that no other network could complete with CBC given the revenues associated with HNIC and the lack of someone else be able to win a bid
Guyser is saying that NBC or Fox have vastly larger budgets and could compete for HNIC if so inclined.

Why would an American broadcaster try and compete for hockey? The ratings for hockey are terribly low in the US. That's what I didn't get.

But the main point that you made that you yourself killed was that CTV/TSN had the chance to compete in an open bid and couldn't beat CBC, boy, the free market wins again!

It wasn't an open bid. How much of the CBC budget is funded by the taxpayers?

and further, your comment wasn't appropriate especially given all the crying about other posters that you have been doing, talking about contributions

1. It was a question not a comment. Got an issue with it report me.

2. Are you complaining about my inappropriate comments and making one at the same time to be ironic?

guyser · October 25, 2007

wtf are you saying?
This doesn't make any sense at all.

NBC FOX have unlimited budgets.

TSN is cable and lots dont get it. Everyone gets CBC.

Michael Bluth · October 25, 2007

NBC FOX have unlimited budgets.
TSN is cable and lots dont get it. Everyone gets CBC.

Why would NBC or Fox try and take over HNIC?

They aren't Canadian broadcasters. The NHL isn't economically viable for broadcast on the scale of HNIC in the US.

It was a CTV/TSN bid. The saturday night broadcast would have been on CTV.

guyser · October 25, 2007

Why would NBC or Fox try and take over HNIC?

Never said they did. But no one has done or shown the willingness to try. Your statement was "Nobody has been given the chance to do it wiht the revenues (and concurrent budget) associated with HNIC" . I answered it.

They aren't Canadian broadcasters. The NHL isn't economically viable for broadcast on the scale of HNIC in the US.
It was a CTV/TSN bid. The saturday night broadcast would have been on CTV.

So, TSNCTV lost the bidding war. Too bad for them I guess. Perhaps the NHL is very happy with CBC , and should be since they consistently get great numbers . CBC generates plenty of revenue from ads during the games.

M.Dancer · October 31, 2007

Nobody has been given the chance to do it wiht the revenues (and concurrent budget) associated with HNIC.
It's too bad the TSN/CTV bid wasn't successful.

The innovations they would have brought to the table would have turned heads.

Innovations and CTV go together like love and porridge......

CTV to be frank, is cheap. They are more inclined to immitate that create. SEE CND IDOL....

M.Dancer · October 31, 2007

If it's entertainment let private money pay for it.
The evidence was finally provided, but time to get rid of the subsidies.

The series isn't produced by the CBC, it is produced by Westwind productions. It was produced with the same level of subsidy as Corner Gas or any other series screened on any other Canadian broadcster.

Amazing Atheist · October 31, 2007

I seen an episode of this show and didn't find it all that entertaining at all to be honest.

There are quality Canadian made shows out there though like Corner Gas, This Hour has 22 minutes, Royal Canadian Air Farce, Rick Mercer Report, and the list goes on. Mosque however is not really that high quality of a show.

One show in particular I personally connect with even though I'm not native and no longer live in North Central Regina is Moccasin Flats which is a show that accurately depicts life in the cities inner city neighborhood. This show is broadcast on the APTN channel.