NDP Hold Tories Future

[jdobbin]

Liberals are unlikely to support it.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/070123/...fed_libs_caucus

Looks like the Liberals are looking at putting the focus on NDP support for the Tories.

[BC_chick]

Liberals are unlikely to support it.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/070123/...fed_libs_caucus

Looks like the Liberals are looking at putting the focus on NDP support for the Tories.

Harper himself has said that one of Chretien's successes was calling an election early after his opponent gets elected, ie after Duceppe won the leadership, and before people get a chance to know the candidate. Dion's popularity after the Liberal Convention was probably the only reason Harper didn't call an election.

It's so hard at this point to predict which way the wind is going to blow for the future of either party and I think even the most seasoned political analysts are having a hard time with this head-to-head between the CPC and the LPC.

One thing we know for sure - it's going to be an exciting election if there is one in the near future with the results up for speculation in a combination possible.

[jdobbin]

Harper himself has said that one of Chretien's successes was calling an election early after his opponent gets elected, ie after Duceppe won the leadership, and before people get a chance to know the candidate. Dion's popularity after the Liberal Convention was probably the only reason Harper didn't call an election.

It's so hard at this point to predict which way the wind is going to blow for the future of either party and I think even the most seasoned political analysts are having a hard time with this head-to-head between the CPC and the LPC.

One thing we know for sure - it's going to be an exciting election if there is one in the near future with the results up for speculation in a combination possible.

I had dinner with two NDP people tonight. Both are thinking of voting Green or anything else in Layton props up the Tories over the budget.

[madmax]

The Conservatives will put forth a budget that Liberals would drool over. Income tax reductions, alot of the stuff Preston Manning and Mike Harris have been trodding around, much of which Martin Liberals did in the past, and would have continued in future had they maintained office. The Liberals will be questioned on what trivial reason they won't support the government.

The NDP aren't going to see an Conservative budget that will fit their base. If the Conservatives do put forth a budget that the NDP can accept, both the Conservative and NDP concessions would have to have more pluses then negatives for both parties bases. While possible, it is unprobable wishful thinking.

The Conservatives aren't going to budge with the NDP on the Environment. They would have shown some ground by now. They are going to use this remaining NDP support to buy some time to reinvent the old Liberal Environment policies, call it there own, and maybe even do something about it.

So, who are the Conservatives going to Dance with on the budget?

[madmax]

[i had dinner with two NDP people tonight. Both are thinking of voting Green or anything else in Layton props up the Tories over the budget.

Well, there you have it. The 2 NDP voters are gone

nobody left

[jdobbin]

Well, there you have it. The 2 NDP voters are gone

nobody left

In Manitoba, you are hearing more and more NDPers a little fed up. I don't know if it years of NDP government in Manitoba or Jack Layton. Certainly, there is no love lost with Jack Layton from Blaikie supporters or people from the Churchill riding who had their NDP MP given the boot by Layton.

[jdobbin]

The Conservatives will put forth a budget that Liberals would drool over. Income tax reductions, alot of the stuff Preston Manning and Mike Harris have been trodding around, much of which Martin Liberals did in the past, and would have continued in future had they maintained office. The Liberals will be questioned on what trivial reason they won't support the government.

The NDP aren't going to see an Conservative budget that will fit their base. If the Conservatives do put forth a budget that the NDP can accept, both the Conservative and NDP concessions would have to have more pluses then negatives for both parties bases. While possible, it is unprobable wishful thinking.

The Conservatives aren't going to budge with the NDP on the Environment. They would have shown some ground by now. They are going to use this remaining NDP support to buy some time to reinvent the old Liberal Environment policies, call it there own, and maybe even do something about it.

So, who are the Conservatives going to Dance with on the budget?

At the moment. I can't think of a budget that the Liberals will support. If there is no daycare spaces money is the budget, Dion will not support it. That was just one social item of many on the list.

[geoffrey]

If the CPC throw income splitting in, the Liberals will have to back the budget or face some serious trouble returning to the polls on that issue.

[jdobbin]

If the CPC throw income splitting in, the Liberals will have to back the budget or face some serious trouble returning to the polls on that issue.

There is always something in a budget to like or not to like. I don't know if that one thing for seniors is enough when daycare spaces are not being created. You never know though. This could be a game of chicken to get the NDP to admit they are supporting the budget.

[geoffrey]

If the CPC throw income splitting in, the Liberals will have to back the budget or face some serious trouble returning to the polls on that issue.

There is always something in a budget to like or not to like. I don't know if that one thing for seniors is enough when daycare spaces are not being created. You never know though. This could be a game of chicken to get the NDP to admit they are supporting the budget.

No no, not income splitting for seniors. Income splitting for everyone. Now that's a whole different game.

GlobalTV ran a story and I believe they showed Garth's blog as one source (ugh).

The CPC said it would save on average $4k per household, but my math disagrees, closer to $400 per household at the average income level... about $1250 at $100k a year. None the less, I think any party would have trouble opposing such a favourable measure to middle-income families.

[jdobbin]

No no, not income splitting for seniors. Income splitting for everyone. Now that's a whole different game.

GlobalTV ran a story and I believe they showed Garth's blog as one source (ugh).

The CPC said it would save on average $4k per household, but my math disagrees, closer to $400 per household at the average income level... about $1250 at $100k a year. None the less, I think any party would have trouble opposing such a favourable measure to middle-income families.

I haven't seen that report yet. It is an awful expensive one to make. If it creates a deficit, it might be enough to vote it down. Anyone have the numbers yet? I don't know that you could do that and lower the GST, etc.

[Ricki Bobbi]

I had dinner with two NDP people tonight. Both are thinking of voting Green or anything else in Layton props up the Tories over the budget.

What exactly are NDP people? Supporters? Volunteers? Elected officials?

The Conservatives aren't going to peddle their ass to anybody to gain support. They may make a few concessions but nothing along the lines of Paul Martin bending over for support.

The Conservtives know that no other will be willing to force and election.

There is always something in a budget to like or not to like. I don't know if that one thing for seniors is enough when daycare spaces are not being created. You never know though. This could be a game of chicken to get the NDP to admit they are supporting the budget.

The Conservatives have the most money in the bank and have nominated all of their candidates. Has any party completed the nomination process? I know the Liberals haven't.

It's easy to play chicken when you know the other guys will turn first.

[tml12]

Well, there you have it. The 2 NDP voters are gone

nobody left

In Manitoba, you are hearing more and more NDPers a little fed up. I don't know if it years of NDP government in Manitoba or Jack Layton. Certainly, there is no love lost with Jack Layton from Blaikie supporters or people from the Churchill riding who had their NDP MP given the boot by Layton.

If you read "The Communist Manifesto" and study USSR history you should realize why NDPers are fed up.

[jdobbin]

If you read "The Communist Manifesto" and study USSR history you should realize why NDPers are fed up.

I'm no NDP supporter but that is just dumb.

[tml12]

If you read "The Communist Manifesto" and study USSR history you should realize why NDPers are fed up.

I'm no NDP supporter but that is just dumb.

I personally think there is not much of a difference between the NDP and the Marxist-Leninist Party...BUT if you disagree, please let me know (and don't forget your citiations!!!)

[jdobbin]

I personally think there is not much of a difference between the NDP and the Marxist-Leninist Party...BUT if you disagree, please let me know (and don't forget your citiations!!!)

Let me know when you're done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist-Leninist

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Democrats

[tml12]

I personally think there is not much of a difference between the NDP and the Marxist-Leninist Party...BUT if you disagree, please let me know (and don't forget your citiations!!!)

Let me know when you're done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist-Leninist

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Democrats

So I take it you are acknowledging that the NDP supports the third-way?

[madmax]

I personally think there is not much of a difference between the NDP and the Marxist-Leninist Party...BUT if you disagree, please let me know (and don't forget your citiations!!!)

Let me know when you're done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist-Leninist

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Democrats

LOL.

[geoffrey]

So I take it you are acknowledging that the NDP supports the third-way?

In Alberta, the third-way represents private-public partnerships in health and education. What does it mean in the RoC?

[jdobbin]

So I take it you are acknowledging that the NDP supports the third-way?

I will if you acknowledge the NDP isn't about to violently overthrow the government.

[geoffrey]

So I take it you are acknowledging that the NDP supports the third-way?

I will if you acknowledge the NDP isn't about to violently overthrow the government.

Not as long as Jack is running his PC learning company on the side.

http://www.videoprofessor.com/

Sorry, I just believe it has to be known....