Why We Fight

[PolyNewbie]

So how profitable is war ?

Lets examine the profits earned by the construction of a singlke Abrams tank worth 3 miullion dollars and see who makes what

(1) Government borrows 3 million dollars from provate bankers who print the money for nothing and collect the interest from taxes for eternity. The present value of which is 3 million dollars so the bankers make 3 million dollars right at the start.

(2) The defence contractors make about 25 % ofr the tanks value which is about $750,000.00.

So, so far over a 3 million dollar tank, 3.75 million dollars have been made.

OK so that sounds like a lot of money, but where is the real money made ?

To answer this we must examine why we go to war. We go to war so that our banks can take over their banks and print their money for nothing and lend it to them at full face value. Bankers, in the case of the USA own both partuies. Americans can vote for the Rockefeller Democrats or the Rockefeller Republicans. If Rockefeller didn't want war, there would not be war.

When the war starts the tanks get used to destroy things. How much money value of destruction can one tank bring about ? Lets assume that a 3 million dollar tank can do 3 million dollars worth of damage.

When the war is over and we win, the corrupt puppet government that we put in its place borrows money for reconstruction of the country and hires our corporations to do it.

From the 3 million dollars in damage lets assume our contractors make 25 % off the reconstruction.

The bankers again print off 3 million dollars, lend it to the new government who in turn pays our contractors to rebuild.

That is at least another 3.75 million dollars. Thats also assumming one tank only does 3 million dollars worth of damage. I suggest that a tank can do much more damage than this.

From this we can see that our financial oligarchy makes a lot of money from war and war lets them consolidate even more power so they can start more wars.

The idea is to take over their banks and subject them to the same system we have ! Putting a corrupt government in place gets them halfway there. They just pay the dictator a few million dollars and he signs the banks over.

We always go to war with countries that have governments that represent the people and will not allow the banks to take over any other way.

[stignasty]

So how profitable is war ?

Lets examine the profits earned by the construction of a singlke Abrams tank worth 3 miullion dollars and see who makes what

(1) Government borrows 3 million dollars from provate bankers who print the money for nothing and collect the interest from taxes for eternity. The present value of which is 3 million dollars so the bankers make 3 million dollars right at the start.

Private bankers don't print the money for nothing. They borrow the money from the Bank of Canada or the United States Treasury and that money supply is strictly controlled. They also have to pay that money back with interest (the prime rate). They make their money by charging people like me a mortgage rate higher than the prime rate.

If they just printed up money to build tanks or anything else the inflation rate would go through the roof. That's what the Wiemar Government in Germany did, and that's what happened.

[PolyNewbie]

stignasty:Private bankers don't print the money for nothing. They borrow the money from the Bank of Canada or the United States Treasury and that money supply is strictly controlled. They also have to pay that money back with interest (the prime rate). They make their money by charging people like me a mortgage rate higher than the prime rate.

If they just printed up money to build tanks or anything else the inflation rate would go through the roof. That's what the Wiemar Government in Germany did, and that's what happened.

Not true. Not even close although its what many people believe. The governments are not involved with the printing of money and the Federal Reserve is strictly a privatly owned company. In the case of Canada the government determines prime but the banks print off the money for virtually bothing, reserve ratio = 300:1. The banks do not borrow from anyone.

Also, the banks are printing off enourmous amounts of money. Currency supply has multiplied by 4 since Bush got into office, a lot of it is in secret bank accounts (like the 3 trillion that went missing from the Pentagon before 9/11). Lots of it is in the backs of pickup trucks and being driven around in Iraq and some of it is being used to pay off Afghanistan people to stop them from helping the "Taliban".

See:

Confessions Of An Economic Hit Man by John Perkins

The Money Masters Video (free on Google)

The Creature From Jekyll Island (Book/Griffin)

Money As Debt (video - Canadian Action Party)

Fantopia (book/Gibbs)

The Money Bomb (book/Gibbs)

Why We Fight (video for rent at video rental places)

Also see five page book on money posted from the UK. They are a lot further along in this monetary reform movement than we are.

[PolyNewbie]

"In our time, the curse is monetary illiteracy, just as inability to read plain print was the curse in earlier centuries."

Ezra Pound

Ezra Pound was a poet that existed after world war 1. He wanted to know why so many of his friends died in the war. He hired Eustace Mullins to go to the library of congress and figure out why. He found a magazine about the secret meeting of bankers on an island called Jekyll Island off the eastern coast of the USA.

Mullins was the first to learn the big secret and he wrote a book called Secrets Of The Federal Reserve.

Ask an economist where our money comes from if you don't believe me. I have read a lot about this and have consulted with high level economists.

The first mention of the book to me called "The Creature From Jekyll Ilsand" came from a Phd economist.

[PolyNewbie]

Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.

In economics, the majority is always wrong.

The process by which banks create money is so simple that the mind is repelled.

John Kenneth Galbraith

[mikedavid00]

I enjoy watching conspiracy theory films for their entertainment value.

I have this one downloaded but haven't watched it yet..

The libs love to dream up fairytales.

I recommend the libs learn about our economy and people in general. They'll realize that money doesn't fall off trees, and that if people get an inch they'll try to take a mile.

Learn those 2 thnings and then become you'll understand the world a whole lot more.

[PolyNewbie]

I suggets you look at the presidential quotes about banking in my Wall Street/ Banker thread.

You should stop getting information from the corporate controlled mainstream media. Ten corporations own the media.

[stignasty]

The libs love to dream up fairytales.

I recommend the libs learn about our economy and people in general. They'll realize that money doesn't fall off trees, and that if people get an inch they'll try to take a mile.

Please, don't think that Poly is representative of liberals. The great majority of liberals don't think the secret meeting on Jekyll, or Monkey, or Skull or Whateverthefuck island set up a world system for bank control where they could print all the money they want to enslave us.

However, I did enjoy reading the "Money Text Book" written by a veteran of WW II, retired farmer and practicing medical doctor (he must just be an amateur economist, whatever). It was a fun little manifesto with gems like, "If we had a free press, that was not owned or controlled by those financiers who enslave us with debt, these absurdities would be constantly brought to our attention and the demand for change would be overwhelming."

Anyway Poly, the crux of it comes down to one thing. If the banks and government can print all the money they want, without any excuse, why do they need the excuse of a war to print it? Must we make the assumption that the people in charge are just plain evil and they would rather spend it on war than on social services? Think about it, why would the government spend on war, where people get killed (and the resulting profits come from war machines and reconstruction), than on a healthier population who could live better longer and spend more money as a result?

[PolyNewbie]

The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credits needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of consumers. By the adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity. -Abraham Lincoln

In answer to the above question:

The banks must have people work for the money to earn its value otherwise its worth nothing. Its just numbers on a piece of paper. Money enables the economy, alone it is worthless. War creates the work needed to earn the money more efficiently than anything else plus it keeps poiliticians happy who get a tiny bit of the action by investing in Haliburton. Hillary was worth about 0.5 million before Bush got into power, now she is worth 50 million - the 30 million she spent to get re elected.

[PolyNewbie]

stignasty:Please, don't think that Poly is representative of liberals. The great majority of liberals don't think the secret meeting on Jekyll, or Monkey, or Skull or Whateverthefuck island set up a world system for bank control where they could print all the money they want to enslave us

Its fact not fiction.

[PolyNewbie]

mikedavid00:The libs love to dream up fairytales.

I'm not a liberal, I am a conservative but not a neoconservative sycophant fascist. I do not trust the corporate owned media and politicians that lie all the time.

mikedavid00:I recommend the libs learn about our economy and people in general. They'll realize that money doesn't fall off trees, and that if people get an inch they'll try to take a mile.

Money does not fall from trees, but it does get created for the cost of the ink and paper for the people that control our society. If you had to grow trees then money creation for these people would be much more difficult than it is now.

You need to stop watching so much TV and start looking for some truth.

[PolyNewbie]

“We will have a world government whether you like it or not. The only question is whether that government will be achieved by conquest or consent.” -Paul Warburg

Paul Warburg is son or grandson to "Daddy Warbucks", a character in Little Orphan Annie who is based on the Paul Warburg who was involved in creating the Federal Reserve and attended the famous meeting on Jekyll Island just before the Federal reserve Act of 1913.

[Argus]

Because we don't like crazy people blowing up our buildings.

And them? Why do THEY make war?

Or are you going to suggest that Islamic radicals make war on us in order to increase profits for their military industrial complex.

[Argus]

mikedavid00:The libs love to dream up fairytales.

I'm not a liberal, I am a conservative but not a neoconservative sycophant fascist.

You are not a conservative of any kind, of any shape or form. I'm not sure what you are. I'm not even sure you're sane.

[frogs]

The terrorists themselves have stated their position clearly: "We are not," one of them has insisted, "trying to exact concessions from you. We are trying to eliminate you."

The terrotists, in this scenario, are more honest and more respectable than the US politicians that prefer to enslave everybody.

[PolyNewbie]

frogs:"We are not," one of them has insisted, "trying to exact concessions from you. We are trying to eliminate you."

Did you see that on TV ? Do you think that the president of Iran said that he wants to wipe Israel off the map ? Did you know that the Pentagon spends 1.5 billion per year to shape your beliefs in this "war on terrorism" ?

Why are they not bringing bombs up through the wide open Mexican/American border if they want to kill everybody ? Would that not be the easiest way ?

If muslims did 911 then why have multiple people been able to prove that 911 was an inside job using physical evidence ?

[geoffrey]

mikedavid00:The libs love to dream up fairytales.

I'm not a liberal, I am a conservative but not a neoconservative sycophant fascist.

You are not a conservative of any kind, of any shape or form. I'm not sure what you are. I'm not even sure you're sane.

I can see him favouring tax cuts to purge Big Brother.

[B. Max]

If muslims did 911 then why have multiple people been able to prove that 911 was an inside job using physical evidence ?

That is as big a load of nonsense as your monetary conspiracy theories.

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Embas...4/flaherty.html

[PolyNewbie]

B.Max:That is as big a load of nonsense as your monetary conspiracy theories.

First of all, they are not conspiracy theories, even if you dissagree with them they are still not conspiracy theories.

The Federal Reserve central bank is a privately owned entity that is owned by offspring of the same people that started the Federal Reserve. Rockefeller. Rothschild, etc.

All of your link sounds good, but one only has to open their eyes to what is happening with the economy to see that its being ruined. Who is behind the ruining of the economy - the leaders - who are controlled by bankers. US citizens currently have a choice between the Rockefeller Republicans and the Rockefeller Democrats.

It is Wall St that is pushing for war. It is the IMF that profits from war.

from your link:

"Fact: Independent accounting firms conduct full financial audits of the Federal Reserve banks and the Board of Governors every year. The Fed is also subject to certain types of audits from the Government Accounting Office. "

Fact: The Central Bank Of The Federal Reserve (the part that is owned by these private individuals) has never been audited. Fort Knox has never been audited in the past 50 years.

From your link:

"Facts: Kennedy wrote E.O. 11,110 to phase out silver certificate currency, not to issue more of it. Records show Kennedy and the Federal Reserve were almost always in agreement on policy matters. He even signed legislation to give the Fed more authority to issue currency."

Actual Text of Executive Order 11110:

AMENDMENT OF EXECUTIVE ORDER NO. 10289 AS AMENDED, RELATING TO THE PERFORMANCE OF CERTAIN FUNCTIONS AFFECTING THE DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY

By virtue of the authority vested in me by section 301 of title 3 of the United States Code, it is ordered as follows:

SECTION 1. Executive Order No. 10289 of September 19, 1951, as amended, is hereby further amended --

(a) By adding at the end of paragraph 1 thereof the following subparagraph (j):

"(j) The authority vested in the President by paragraph (Bb) of section 43 of the Act of May 12, 1933, as amended (31 U.S.C. 821 (Bb)), to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury not then held for redemption of any outstanding silver certificates, to prescribe the denominations of such silver certificates, and to coin standard silver dollars and subsidiary silver currency for their redemption," and

(Bb) By revoking subparagraphs (Bb) and (Cc) of paragraph 2 thereof.

SEC. 2. The amendment made by this Order shall not affect any act done, or any right accruing or accrued or any suit or proceeding had or commenced in any civil or criminal cause prior to the date of this Order but all such liabilities shall continue and may be enforced as if said amendments had not been made.

JOHN F. KENNEDY THE WHITE HOUSE, June 4, 1963

*letters in brackets had to be replaced by the letter and its capital to show up properly on this newsgroup. so ( becomes (Bb) to prevent that face from showing in its place.

I know there are many people that will try and support the establishment as much as possible and not try at all to find truth but often the truth is right in front of you and it requires more effort to ignore it. There is no shortage of establishement supporters that will say just about anything. The one thing that they fail to understand is that there is no honor among thieves.

In John Kenneth Galbraiths book called "Money: Whence It Came; Where It Went" he explains that the federal reserve act puts a handful of men in control of the USA. Its in Ch3 somewhere.

[margrace]

People a dumb, they are like cattle led to the slaughter. A small city in Ontario had a mayor who commpletly controlled everything. It was so obvious what was going on. A group of citizens got together to oust him and gathered evidence and had him ousted by the courts. The ordinary dumb citizen was furious. So what if he was making a few bucks on the side, it had nothing to do with them.

The question is did they not pay taxes in that community and the bucks he was making came out of their taxes. That leap of understanding was beyond most of them and when his term of ban was up they re elected him. Bunch of dumb leemings.

[scribblet]

Sigh....sounds like I need a bigger tinfoil hat

[PolyNewbie]

I agree with you margrace but for different reasons. No one is really this stupid. They are just going along with something because they think they will not be hurt by it. They are afraid of the truth just like a kid who covers his eyes in fear. They will say what they are told to say on TV. Nothing is too stupid for them to say so that they can be seen as obedient by the oligarchy.

ten years ago, if you asked if people thought Oswald shot Kennedy, people would laugh at you. Of course Oswald didn't shoot Kennedy - that would be impossible. Now all the neoliberal sycophant fascists believe that Oswald shot Kennedy again. Believes not based on logic, these beliefs are based on fear.

If you look at the evidence and learn about the plans of the New World Order (1984 and Brave New World) were both written by authors with the inside track on the NWO. Huxleys brother formulated eugenics programs for the UN. We can see 1984 comming true around us with the police state and lies about war. Of course the detention centers are being built and its on mainstream but none of these idiots will take notice.

They are being sold on this idea of a new world government where peace exists, but the proponents of NWO have been starting all the wars and robbing us in the process. They have no intentions of peace. They want total control. Everyone chipped, anyone eliminated with the press of a button.

I wonder how many of them have got their disks to learn the new language.

[watching&waiting]

I am shocked and appalled at just how much misinformation can actually be given here. The Canadian way of printing money and the basis allowed for the printing is not as deemed to be the same as the USA. But even the USA doesn't just print as much money as it wants to and it also has to meet the same grounds and critiera as the rest of the world. The one thing that should scare most American is the fact that there are more US dollars being held outside the country, that if ever they were all turned in, the US dollar would drop in value to that near the Peaso in Mexico.

Much has been said and made stories in TV shows about foreign countries conterfieting the US dollar and doing so with perfect copies that the mormal to hi-tech methods can not discern them from the real. This could be possible, but very unlikely to be done for long.

As much as it is a quaint idea that some entity can just print all the money he wants, when ever he wants, is a good story for TV. It does not play at all in the way things are really done. It is much like what the title of this thread is "Why we fight " and then we are off into the conveluted posts about monetary funds. You have to buy into the weird theories to actually find the links. I can only say that we are now seeing more of the reasons why we can not trust our neighbours to think clearly all the time, as they sometimes go off in the weirdest ways. I guess I will just have to stay quiet and grow my Tuney tress I am growing in the back yard That way I will always have change.

[crazymf]

Thanks for the insight Polly,

Now I know that 911 was an inside job. Hmmm, I wonder who did that?

3 trillion is out there somewhere unaccounted for....yep. I'm going on a treasure hunt next summer vacation.

War is a mere money making scheme for governments and the 10 corporations that control the media.

I just learn so much reading these threads.

Thanks!!

[PolyNewbie]

crazymf:3 trillion is out there somewhere unaccounted for....yep. I'm going on a treasure hunt next summer vacation.

2.3 trillion gone was announced by Rumsfeld on CNN sept 10/2001.