Oda not welcome at provincial meeting on women's issues

blueblood · January 15, 2007

I protect the rights of the unborn child as a citizen of Canada. It takes a community to raise a child so no I don't endorse killing life. I value it.
I guess that must be the crazy, subconsion morals I learned from my Catholic highschool.

So am I, which is why I suggest that to curb this problem if you don't want a kid in the first place to keep your legs shut or the birth control (which isn't 100% by the way). If the pregnancy was preventable you should go through with it.

Look at it this way if a woman is raped and gets pregnant, should she be subjected to 9 months of torture for something she didn't do? I think it is equally as cruel bringing an unwanted child in the world and that child not having the proper care of a natural mother and a father. What kind of life is that for a child? If she's raped she should get the option, she should not be punished for having to give birth to an unwanted baby, forcing her to give birth is IMO right up there with islam law concerning rape which you point out time and again.

mikedavid00 · January 15, 2007

I protect the rights of the unborn child as a citizen of Canada. It takes a community to raise a child so no I don't endorse killing life. I value it.
I guess that must be the crazy, subconsion morals I learned from my Catholic highschool.

So am I, which is why I suggest that to curb this problem if you don't want a kid in the first place to keep your legs shut or the birth control (which isn't 100% by the way). If the pregnancy was preventable you should go through with it.

Yeah I used to take that stance when I was younger. That is the most 'fair' way to do it I guess. But I've decided I'm not going to be 'fair' anymore in by believes. Canadians have to start valuing human life.

Maybe the state can re-emburst the woman $100,000 or so after having the baby. Then an additional $100,000 through the adoption. Hopefully that could ease the pain.

When our soldiers die, the widows get $750,000 lump sum, and then monthly pay and the soldiers pension. Money does ease pain.

Look at it this way if a woman is raped and gets pregnant, should she be subjected to 9 months of torture for something she didn't do?

Being pregnant isn't torture. And remember we're not woman. When a woman has a life in her stomach, she wants to carry through. Maybe not at first, but when she starts showing she'll make most likely chose not to give the baby up. Women are aware of the monies they will recieve through adoption and still do not consider giving childer up for adoption. They would rather abort. This is not acceptable to me as a human.

I think it is equally as cruel bringing an unwanted child in the world and that child not having the proper care of a natural mother and a father.

Life's not always fair or easy. I've had some terrible things happen to me. Same with other posters on this forum i'm sure. Time heals and we move on.

What kind of life is that for a child?

Usually a good one when adapoted by loving parents who can not have children.

If she's raped she should get the option, she should not be punished for having to give birth to an unwanted baby,

Fundementally though, I feel that we are focusing on the mother in this circumstance and not the child. There are very wealthy parents who spend years looking to adopt children that want nothing more in the world.

forcing her to give birth is IMO right up there with islam law concerning rape which you point out time and again.

Again I have to chose the right of the child not born. I'm sure we can dig and find happy stories of children that were born to rape victims and given up for adoption.

To reduce rapes, we need to punish and castrate men who are conviceted rapists. Not let them back out into society. Let's focus on the rapist and unborn child, not the mothers' comfort for 9 months.

Either way, it's extrememly rare that children are born to rape. You most likely have a better chance dying in vehicle collision.

madmax · January 15, 2007

Maybe the state can re-emburst the woman $100,000 or so after having the baby. Then an additional $100,000 through the adoption. Hopefully that could ease the pain.

Great Idea, the state will be broke in 9 months. And still the women that cannot go to term will have an abortion Dr. Mike.

I do want to state that the Christian Heritage Party does suggest $10,000 a year, The Christian Heritage Party also is the ONLY party that is against abortion.

madmax · January 15, 2007

When our soldiers die, the widows get $750,000 lump sum, and then monthly pay and the soldiers pension. Money does ease pain.

Where did you get the $750,000 Lump Sum from?

Catchme · January 17, 2007

Nine months of compulsory and unwanted pregnancy has significant psychiatric and psychological consequences in a proportion of the population.

Yeah life sucks sometimes.

An abortion is a ghost that will haunt you your whole life. Don't think otherwise.

So is a forced pregnancy

Again, life sucks sometimes.

I protect the rights of the unborn child as a citizen of Canada. It takes a community to raise a child so no I don't endorse killing life. I value it.

I guess that must be the crazy, subconsion morals I learned from my Catholic highschool.

Personally, I did not know the Catholic Church had morals. They sure haven't shown any over the centuries.

And no abortion is not a ghost that haunts all, in fact, I would say for the majority, it was a relief. It is a small minority who commit suicide, who have had one out of the 100's of thousands who have had one. And who knows they might have anyway, regardless of having the child or not, perhaps they may even have taken that born chiild's life had they not had an abortion, your speculating. You cannot chuck that kinda of stuff around with out depth.

I choose to protect the lives of those who are already BORN, over those feotus that may be, Funny priority actually.

And hey are you going to adopt those 5k or so orphans/ unwanted children in NB that are in the system that nobody seems to want?

And hey guys how about men keeping their zippers closed, it takes 2?

mikedavid please respond your 750 k commentary for widows of Canadian military?

Saturn · January 17, 2007

Norman you are causing me great psychiatric distress. But nobody will let me get rid of you.

I doubt he causes you anything besides an urge to type nonsense. But what norm is saying is true. Whether you like it or not. In fact only someone totally uninformed and ignorant would claim otherwise. What he forgot to mention is that a significant number women die in childbirth too.

Saturn · January 17, 2007

Getting pregnant is a lot more preventable than heart disease, diabetes, and broken limbs. A person who is healthy can get these through no fault of their own.
Framing the terms around the woman being a rape victim is logical, she couldn't help it if she was raped. Missy who got pregnant from a one night stand could have kept her legs shut or used birth control, sounds logical to me. Enforcable, it would be very easy to enforce, you just show up with a police report and away you go with the abortion.

A one night stand that results in regret and/or STD and/or pregnancy is the definition of a selfish mistake, she wanted a piece of ass did she not? There are a lot of unwanted pregnancies though explain that? If people would take sex more seriously and weren't so selfish there wouldn't be this type of mess.

You are dumber than I thought. You can break a leg and it will most likely be your own fault. I guess you should not be treated then. "Missy" cannot get pregnant on her own. I hope you don't suggest that the guy who helped her should have a body part amputated as punishment because he didn't use birth control. On top of that, if you had half a brain you would know that most birth control methods are only about 95% effective, which means that out of 100 women using them, 5 will become pregnant within a year even if they use them correctly. So fuck off!

Canuck E Stan · January 17, 2007

What he forgot to mention is that a significant number women die in childbirth too.

Significant number? to what?

I bet a far more significant number of woman die in car crashes.

jefferiah · January 17, 2007

Norman you are causing me great psychiatric distress. But nobody will let me get rid of you.

I doubt he causes you anything besides an urge to type nonsense. But what norm is saying is true. Whether you like it or not. In fact only someone totally uninformed and ignorant would claim otherwise. What he forgot to mention is that a significant number women die in childbirth too.

I believe the Charter states that public funded abortion is a right only when the patient is referred for one by a doctor. Why is it ignorant to believe otherwise? That is not an argument. Thats just an insult. Only people who are ignorant would disagree with you and Norm? What percentage of women die in child birth? A significant number? What is a significant number? A significant number relative to the amount of pregnant women? Are women dying left and right? You are right Norm doesnt cause me anything. Thats just the point. I am making a mockery of his "psychological suffering" argument. I would say his argument that pregnancy has such an unbearable psychological affect on women that it justifies the "subsidization" of abortion for people who would just have one in order to be rid of an inconvenience is just another example of the "poor me, pity me" attitude that exists in society. Not unlike Catch Me saying that if you cant get free abortions we might as well go back to serfdom. Does she really believe herself?

jefferiah · January 17, 2007

Imagine telling an ethiopan kid "Well I live in squalor to you know. The federal government wont give me a free abortion."

jefferiah · January 17, 2007

"Missy" cannot get pregnant on her own. I hope you don't suggest that the guy who helped her should have a body part amputated as punishment because he didn't use birth control."---Saturn

If she wasnt raped, she was a willing partner. Can a drunk use "well officer, my friend bought me a beer" as a defense against drinking and driving.

Saturn · January 17, 2007

"Missy" cannot get pregnant on her own. I hope you don't suggest that the guy who helped her should have a body part amputated as punishment because he didn't use birth control."---Saturn
If she wasnt raped, she was a willing partner. Can a drunk use "well officer, my friend bought me a beer" as a defense against drinking and driving.

If you broke your leg, it's probably because you did something stupid. But you'll still get treated.

Women have the right to decide whether to have children or not and children have the right to loving parents who want them. You have the right to shut up and respect the rights of others!

Saturn · January 17, 2007

Imagine telling an ethiopan kid "Well I live in squalor to you know. The federal government wont give me a free abortion."

If ethiopian women had abortions more often instead of having 10 children on average, believe me, a lot fewer of these children would be starving to death and dying of diseases that can be treated for $10.

And who the hell do you imagine you are to tell people whether to have children or not? Just shut up and mind your own business!

Saturn · January 17, 2007

What he forgot to mention is that a significant number women die in childbirth too.

Significant number? to what?

I bet a far more significant number of woman die in car crashes.

Even one is way too many. Are you fucking telling me that you are going to force women to have unwanted children because too few die in childbirth. That's about as bad as a rape!

jefferiah · January 17, 2007

Imagine telling an ethiopan kid "Well I live in squalor to you know. The federal government wont give me a free abortion."

If ethiopian women had abortions more often instead of having 10 children on average, believe me, a lot fewer of these children would be starving to death and dying of diseases that can be treated for $10.

And who the hell do you imagine you are to tell people whether to have children or not? Just shut up and mind your own business!

Once again Saturn I point out, that people are allowed to have abortions. Who are you to say everyone, including pro-lifers are tax payers should have to fund it.

jefferiah · January 17, 2007

What he forgot to mention is that a significant number women die in childbirth too.

Significant number? to what?

I bet a far more significant number of woman die in car crashes.

Even one is way too many. Are you fucking telling me that you are going to force women to have unwanted children because too few die in childbirth. That's about as bad as a rape!

Pedestrians get killed in car accidents. And one death is too many, yes. But do you suggest everyone stop driving. Kids get killed in bus accidents on the way to school, one childs death is too many, but would you say we should keep our kids out of school. In one hundred percent of abortions a death occurs.

jefferiah · January 17, 2007

And I also point out the charter allows for situations where it is needed (referred by a doctor) that it will be funded. Of course doctors can be wrong, but life is not perfect. Do you think the government should fund chemo-therapy for the hell of it in case you have cancer they never detected? What percentage of abortions are because women are living in abject fear that carrying the feotus is going to terminate their lives?

Saturn · January 17, 2007

Pedestrians get killed in car accidents. And one death is too many, yes. But do you suggest everyone stop driving. Kids get killed in bus accidents on the way to school, one childs death is too many, but would you say we should keep our kids out of school.

Do you suggest we lock kids up so that there is no chance anyone will get pregnant?

In one hundred percent of abortions a death occurs.

Complete bullshit. There is absolutely no evidence that there is any life in an embryo prior to the 5th month of gestation and abortions beyond the 3rd month are performed only when the mother's life is in danger. Life prior to the 5th month is a figment of religious fanatics' imagination. But according to them, the earth is also flat and 6000 years old.

Do you commit genocide when you jerk off?

Saturn · January 17, 2007

What percentage of abortions are because women are living in abject fear that carrying the feotus is going to terminate their lives?

It doesn't matter. You can't force people to have children. Mind your own business.

Canuck E Stan · January 17, 2007

There is absolutely no evidence that there is any life in an embryo prior to the 5th month of gestation
Do you commit genocide when you jerk off?

so when does the embryo magically spring to life?

Genocide by jerking off can't occur, you're required to be there for input.

Saturn · January 17, 2007

so when does the embryo magically spring to life?

Someone is alive when brain impulses exist. When they stop, a person is considered clinically dead. The first brain impulses appear at the beginning of the 5th month of gestation.

blueblood · January 17, 2007

You are dumber than I thought. You can break a leg and it will most likely be your own fault. I guess you should not be treated then. "Missy" cannot get pregnant on her own. I hope you don't suggest that the guy who helped her should have a body part amputated as punishment because he didn't use birth control. On top of that, if you had half a brain you would know that most birth control methods are only about 95% effective, which means that out of 100 women using them, 5 will become pregnant within a year even if they use them correctly. So fuck off!

In my line of work, breaking a leg can easily happen, part of the job. "Missy" has a choice not to get pregnant, she makes the call, she's the one who can get pregnant. I know most birth control is 95% effective which is why I advocate "missy" keeping her legs closed if she doesn't want to get in this mess. Oh you get so fiery sometimes. I only advocate abortion in instance of rape.

Saturn · January 17, 2007

I only advocate abortion in instance of rape.

I advocate that you keep your mouth shut and you respect other people's rights. Apply your view on abortion in your own life but keep it out of others' lives. And missy is most cases is too young to know what the risks are and what she is doing anyway. Parenting is not a business for 15-year-olds.

Catchme · January 17, 2007

In one hundred percent of abortions a death occurs.

Complete bullshit. There is absolutely no evidence that there is any life in an embryo prior to the 5th month of gestation and abortions beyond the 3rd month are performed only when the mother's life is in danger. Life prior to the 5th month is a figment of religious fanatics' imagination. But according to them, the earth is also flat and 6000 years old.

Stats show that 5 out of 100,000 women in Canada die from pregnacy related issues, though the medical community says this might be a serious underreporting. That is NOT even considering those who have severely damaged renal systems, cardiac, or other pregnacy related illnesses that last for life. Or even considering those women who have pregnancy related strokes and are disabled forever.

What kind of "supposed life bringing" condition do men face that may kill them, or diable them for life? Oh, yes, that would be NONE! Perhaps they should try facing that one? They can't and it is the main reason why anything a male says in regards to pro-choice is waste products, they do not know what it is like to face such a thing, and put their lives and future health on the line for something they did not want and perhap cannot even deal with.

As I said, and will say again, I support the living, not the potential life that does not start until after the 5 month "quickening".

The asshats that say the women should keep their legs closed need to keep both zippers shut that give access to either of their heads output.

blueblood · January 17, 2007

I only advocate abortion in instance of rape.

I advocate that you keep your mouth shut and you respect other people's rights. Apply your view on abortion in your own life but keep it out of others' lives. And missy is most cases is too young to know what the risks are and what she is doing anyway. Parenting is not a business for 15-year-olds.

I have a right to an opinion and to express it, we live in a free society and no one can take that right away. I'm not forcing anybody to do anything, all I'm doing is chirping. If missy is too young to know, maybe she shouldn't be having sex in the first place. My thoughts on abortion are mentioned in previous posts. Yah, I'm 15 yrs old and run a farm, hmmm.