Partisanship

[Who's Doing What?]

I have no pretense of being civil with this guy. As I mentioned earlier, my civility for him ran out after about his 3rd response to me. I'm just calling a spade a spade. Trust me when I say I am seriously toning it down though.

Thanks for that.

It's in Greg's hands now.

Uh you're a few days slow on the draw there McDuff.

Is that the post you reported?

LMFAO

[Ricki Bobbi]

wah wah was not to you, but yes you are crying about my attitude towards you when it is no different or even as bad as the crap you have heaped on other members of this forum since you've been here.

You want to take a poll on which of the two of us has insulted, harassed, or belittled other posters the most?

Your list would far exceed mine.

Ahhh, that old schoolyard gem. "I know you are but what am I."

The irony that every one of your posts on this thread about excessive partisanship has invovled a personal attack on me is beautiful.

[Who's Doing What?]

wah wah was not to you, but yes you are crying about my attitude towards you when it is no different or even as bad as the crap you have heaped on other members of this forum since you've been here.

You want to take a poll on which of the two of us has insulted, harassed, or belittled other posters the most?

Your list would far exceed mine.

Ahhh, that old schoolyard gem. "I know you are but what am I."

The irony that every one of your posts on this thread about excessive partisanship has invovled a personal attack on me is beautiful.

MY disgust of you personally has nothing to do with your political afiliation. Your inability to comprehend the difference is equally beautiful.

[geoffrey]

Take it to PM's, we don't want to read it.

[jbg]

LMFAO

What a criticism!

...Have to work on the environment file. hahahahaha Is that the best you've got? LMAO

Man you are pathetic.

With all due respect, from this post forward your antics have made me almost forget what this thread is about. Your perseverative interest in a particular poster seems to have captured your focus and diverted your otherwise obviously excellent brain to Grade 2 level posting.

Can you spare us your bile at another electronic screen name, for Christ's sake?

[jbg]

MY disgust of My disgust with you personally has nothing to do with your political afiliation affiliation. Your inability to comprehend the difference is equally beautiful ??????.

Have you forgotten what you want to say? Do you mean "beautiful" in the Banff Park sense of the word?

And how do you have any idea what he/she is like personally?

[Who's Doing What?]

MY disgust of My disgust with you personally has nothing to do with your political afiliation affiliation. Your inability to comprehend the difference is equally beautiful ??????.

Have you forgotten what you want to say? Do you mean "beautiful" in the Banff Park sense of the word?

And how do you have any idea what he/she is like personally?

It comes though in the posts jbg. What are you supposed to think of someone who personally attacks any poster with a different point of view?

It is obvious he is a bully. I'm only treating him the way I saw him treat others. It may not make me any better, but I'm not the one crying in PM's to make a deal to leave each other alone.

I see you are another who thinks typos are the end of the world.

Weel thias santance ias jist four yoo. Eye wiil eevin rite an xtra onne jist inkase yoo hadd funn withh tha frist onne.

[Remiel]

...Are you really sure you want to jump into this, jbg? If you really want to help, I'd like to hear your take on partisanship here in general, instead of descending into that arena.

[mikedavid00]

Ya well I don't read the neo-nazi-ist crap spewed by MD. Wah wah wah Immirgrants immigrants wah wah wah.

As I said, I want to fix Canadas problems. That is by far our largest problem in Canada and our welfare state. The Frasier Institute says so. It's not something i drempt up. I have facts to back my opinions. Healthcare is broken for reasons that you have not bothered to research. I have. Oh well.

Also, Ricki Bobbi is not presented facts. Few people here rarely if ever present facts and cites. I believe I am the one who has posted the most cites and facts and has done a most research into discussions.

Ricki Bobbi will state a proven fact: the gov't should not compete with private enterprise within it's own country. (CBC).

His responses: 'Well I think" "I feel" "My vision" "We should".

The latter is not fact, rather personal opinion which is not even backed by fact. And because you don't personally agree with his facts, you then have to put a label on him as a racist, a hardliner, a partisan person.

Look, Ricki Bobbi holds his opinions firmly because they are most likely backed by fact. Not opinion. The CBC thread is a good example. You can argue your viewpoints any way you like, the fact of the matter is, the gov't should not be funding companies that compete with private enterprise. One of the reasons is an abuse of power or using that power to promote agenda's. This is factual. This is why he holds firm on his stances.

And your rebuttal? "I think the show might be funny. I like the CBC. Therefore, we should keep it and you don't have to watch it".

The latter is a personal opinion that is beside the arguement at hand.

You: "But can't you see Ricki? I really like the CBC"

Ricki: "Your missing the bigger point of what i'm trying to tell you"

You: "Yeah but then you don't need to watch the CBC"

Ricki: "Your missing the point"

Now which is being irrational and extrememe? You are letting your own opinion and emotion cloud the facts that lay behind his argument. When this happens, you have to put a label on someone.

Just like the way you called me a nazi. I beat the drum of immigration for a reason, not for fun, but your emotions will always cloud the facts behind the reason I do it.

[jbg]

I see you are another who thinks typos are the end of the world.

Weel thias santance ias jist four yoo. Eye wiil eevin rite an xtra onne jist inkase yoo hadd funn withh tha frist onne.

Only when I think the typos indicate an inability to write clearly or think coherently.

[Remiel]

Fact: The Frasier Institute is a propaganda machine.

[Who's Doing What?]

Ya well I don't read the neo-nazi-ist crap spewed by MD. Wah wah wah Immirgrants immigrants wah wah wah.

As I said, I want to fix Canadas problems. That is by far our largest problem in Canada and our welfare state. The Frasier Institute says so. It's not something i drempt up. I have facts to back my opinions. Healthcare is broken for reasons that you have not bothered to research. I have. Oh well.

Also, Ricki Bobbi is not presented facts. Few people here rarely if ever present facts and cites. I believe I am the one who has posted the most cites and facts and has done a most research into discussions.

Ricki Bobbi will state a proven fact: the gov't should not compete with private enterprise within it's own country. (CBC).

His responses: 'Well I think" "I feel" "My vision" "We should".

The latter is not fact, rather personal opinion which is not even backed by fact. And because you don't personally agree with his facts, you then have to put a label on him as a racist, a hardliner, a partisan person.

Look, Ricki Bobbi holds his opinions firmly because they are most likely backed by fact. Not opinion. The CBC thread is a good example. You can argue your viewpoints any way you like, the fact of the matter is, the gov't should not be funding companies that compete with private enterprise. One of the reasons is an abuse of power or using that power to promote agenda's. This is factual. This is why he holds firm on his stances.

And your rebuttal? "I think the show might be funny. I like the CBC. Therefore, we should keep it and you don't have to watch it".

The latter is a personal opinion that is beside the arguement at hand.

You: "But can't you see Ricki? I really like the CBC"

Ricki: "Your missing the bigger point of what i'm trying to tell you"

You: "Yeah but then you don't need to watch the CBC"

Ricki: "Your missing the point"

Now which is being irrational and extrememe? You are letting your own opinion and emotion cloud the facts that lay behind his argument. When this happens, you have to put a label on someone.

Just like the way you called me a nazi. I beat the drum of immigration for a reason, not for fun, but your emotions will always cloud the facts behind the reason I do it.

I didn't say that. Check your facts.

I didn't call you a Nazi.

"neo-nazi-ist crap" is what I refered to your anti-immigrant rants as.

[Who's Doing What?]

I see you are another who thinks typos are the end of the world.

Weel thias santance ias jist four yoo. Eye wiil eevin rite an xtra onne jist inkase yoo hadd funn withh tha frist onne.

Only when I think the typos indicate an inability to write clearly or think coherently.

So you think I have an inability to coherently think? Hell it was you who couldn't even keep up with the last sentence of my post you editted. But whatever.

[mikedavid00]

I am the worst of a bad lot?

Look at your posts.

My attempts to debate are met by mocking and insults.

Look what he said about me:

"Ya well I don't read the neo-nazi-ist crap spewed by MD"

So even in the very same thread he's contradicting himself.

[Who's Doing What?]

I am the worst of a bad lot?

Look at your posts.

My attempts to debate are met by mocking and insults.

Look what he said about me:

"Ya well I don't read the neo-nazi-ist crap spewed by MD"

So even in the very same thread he's contradicting himself.

[geoffrey]

Fact: The Frasier Institute is a propaganda machine.

Fact: Every think tank has an agenda.

The Fraser Institute is an easy target because they are good at what they do and have a high profile.

[mikedavid00]

Fact: The Frasier Institute is a propaganda machine.

Don't you see? Again, that is YOUR OPINION. This is the root of this thread topic. A failure to communicate becuase you let your personal PARTY LINE DRIVEN BIAS affect your posting, logic, and reasoning.

[Canadian Blue]

QUOTE(Canadian Blue @ Jan 3 2007, 09:26 PM)

Catchme, Saturn, and Ricki Bobbi, are overly partisan, it's easy to point out.

Even lets say on the execution of Saddam Hussein I agreed with many on the left, however most of the debate was irrational and claims that had no logic behind them.

You are not partisan C Blue?

I am not !

Actually I'm more of a Liberal Libertarian, I just can't stand irrational stupidity.

Fact: The Frasier Institute is a propaganda machine.

Agreed, any lobby group is a propaganda machine.

[Remiel]

Fact: ... *yawn* Time for bed.

I wonder how manages pages this will be in the morning, and if there will be any actual intelligent debate... Anyway, good point Geoffrey, but I was using that to refute something else which should be apparent if you've read this entire, sad thread.

You have an answer, jbg?

[mikedavid00]

The Fraser Institute is an easy target because they are good at what they do and have a high profile.

And they also publish reports that are based on... you guessed it, researched FACTS.

A lot of Canadians don't like facts, they like idealism and emotion.

To be honest, I still don't know if I'm sold on Global Warming. I haven't researched it enough and have doubts. But I decided not to spend the time required to research this issue becuase I learned a fact on this issue: Canada is responsible for 2% of the worlds GHG.

Close book. End of story. I now no longer consider this a Canadian issue, important, or something that we can do something about. Thus, I'm not even goign to spend my time reasearching this issue. Why spend a hundred and one posts on idealisms and emotion on something we as a country cannot change.

But eh, Canadians love the idealisms and emotion that this issue can bring out. Ambrose is losing her position over these emotions.

Sorry Rona.

[Canadian Blue]

I think what Canada should contemplate doing is fulfilling our Kyoto targets, however also trying to find a way to get the US and Australia to also become part of the fight against Global Warming as it is an important issue that we have to deal with and can't be held off for another ten years.

[geoffrey]

I think what Canada should contemplate doing is fulfilling our Kyoto targets, however also trying to find a way to get the US and Australia to also become part of the fight against Global Warming as it is an important issue that we have to deal with and can't be held off for another ten years.

It's impossible to do so in the timeline we have remaining. That's what 13 years of Liberal neglect gets you. It's time to get over it and focus on the future.

[Canadian Blue]

But I still think its important to find some way to reduce greenhouse gas emission's. Once again I'm not an expert, but I think government action is required, I'm not sure what we can do but I'll do some research into it.

[mikedavid00]

I think what Canada should contemplate doing is fulfilling our Kyoto targets,

No. Kyoto is not working and is a bad idea. It's a bad solution that cost tax payers money to send away. This is not helping the average Canadian.

however also trying to find a way to get the US and Australia to also become part of the fight against Global Warming as it is an important issue that we have to deal with and can't be held off for another ten years.

Canada cannot get another country to do anything. We are not a power broker country. They will make their own descisions.

Canada did not join in the Iraq war, we don't need to join in on Kyoto.

Canada puts out 2% of the worlds emissions, thus, I really could care less about Kyoto or GHG's from Canada. That's up to the poluting countries/power broker countries to deal with - not Canada. Over the long term, I think we should reduce our emission. Thus, 2050. That number wasn't pulled out of thin air. It was there because it was reasonable and woulnd't affect the tax payer or our economy.

Canada is now 7th place in GDP I believe? We aren't a major player anymore and cannot afford to waste our time and tax dollars and petty idealisms.

Let the UK and US take part in these things. Certainly not Canada.

[mikedavid00]

But I still think its important to find some way to reduce greenhouse gas emission's. Once again I'm not an expert, but I think government action is required, I'm not sure what we can do but I'll do some research into it.

Because the CBC told you it's important?

We make 2% of green house gasses. Canada is a vast, clean land and is not even considered a major poluter.

"Canada can't do much in fixing global warming, but we can destroy our economy in a hurry" - my favorite quote on the topic from geoffery.