Canadians like Miss Universe think Kyoto will save the world....

[Canuck E Stan]

What a bunch of hypocrite Canadians, Want to save the world from global warming, all the while, they send their raw sewage straight into the oceans.

Victoria after all these years STILL sends thier crap into the Pacific.

Victoria told to quit dumping sewage in ocean

]But Vancouver Island's chief medical health officer said last November that a secondary treatment plant for raw sewage would not produce a measurable benefit to the health of Victoria-area residents.

Dr. Richard Stanwick said the money to build a secondary sewage-treatment plant, estimated to cost $477-million plus almost $17-million a year in operating costs, could be better used building other city projects. He said the health risk from the sewage pumped into the ocean is negligible.

So forget the ocean,it doesn't affect the people of Victoria,so there is no health risk. Great move, tree huggers of BC. Lets have more green space and eat granola,and demand Kyoto be implemented, yea that will help the environment.

Islands Trust Council just passed the following resolution.

That the draft Strategic Plan include, under “Protect and Enhance the Natural Environment,” adaptive planning to mitigate the potential impact of climate change.

Meanwhile in near Montreal.....

Longueuil dumps raw sewage in the St-Lawrence

Officials with the city of Longueuil, south of Montreal, insist their decision to dump raw sewage into the St. Lawrence River has not jeopardized public safety.

But hey, it doesn't affect THEIR health, so it's okay.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...s_name=&no_ads=

Let's not forget Halifax....

http://www.seasidelive.ca/oceansliveEnglis...ated_sewage.htm

Many communities in Nova Scotia are currently dumping raw sewage into the their coastal waters everyday. The city of Halifax has been dumping raw sewage into the harbour for over 250 years! 180 million litres of sewage empties into the Halifax harbour daily

Atlantic Insight

Meanwhile in the centre of the universe....Toronto,(if you didn't figue it out yet)

Toronto's sewage sludge may go into lake

"There is no guarantee the city will be successful in signing additional contracts," Mr. Newbould said. "The only alternative is to dump it into Lake Ontario or put it on the land near Ashbridge's Bay [water-treatment centre].

So the CPC plan for clean air and clean water is insufficient for the fans of Kyoto, well dear friends, take a good looka round you, 'cause your environment,your city,your province needs to do a lot of work before you shell out billions of $$$$ to some foreign country for "credits" to curb some 6% of global warming.Let's clean up OUR mess at home before we tackle the world.

Sewage in oceans causing disease, deaths: UN report

Canadians have to stop pretending Kyoto is the answer.

We have work to do right here,right at home...first.

[geoffrey]

Canada is a horrible environmental failure... nothing positive has happened since Mulroney somewhat fixed the acid rain situation. The Liberals set us back decades.

[jdobbin]

Canada is a horrible environmental failure... nothing positive has happened since Mulroney somewhat fixed the acid rain situation. The Liberals set us back decades.

Some Conservatives here deny acid rain was a problem.

And many of the environmental failures listed above are municipal and provincial failures. In numerous cases, the federal contribution to help provinces to help clean up has been used for other purposes.

[Canuck E Stan]

ONe of the dumbest things I've read lately was the city of Victoria putting "pop-up urinals" downtown.

Victoria and the pop-up urinals

The Urilift toilets are one of 10 recommended strategies to deal with the shortage of public washrooms and associated public urination in the downtown core.

Why piss in the street, when you can piss in a urinal and send it into the ocean?

The cylindrical units, which have three urinals, cost $75,000

I'm sure everyone in Victoria will feel better about it, don't forget, Canadians accepting Kyoto will save the 6% of the world, never mind all the crap we cause to our environment right here at home.

[Canuck E Stan]

Some Conservatives here deny acid rain was a problem.

And many of the environmental failures listed above are municipal and provincial failures. In numerous cases, the federal contribution to help provinces to help clean up has been used for other purposes.

Yes,yes, yes, blame it on the municiapl and provincial failures.....and the Federal CPC's.When a solution is presented to START the process of clean air and clean water, what do I hear? Kyoto, Kyoto, Kyoto, this is the solution, bull, the answer is to fix what's broken at home...first.

Ottawa ready with sewage plant funds

The federal government says money is ready and waiting to build sewage treatment plants in Victoria, but Ottawa is stuck waiting for the Capital Regional District to make up its mind on when, or if, treatment is needed.

Dobbin,if the friggin' Liberals had even mentioned to do this a dozen years ago Victoria might not be crapping into the Pacific.

[Wilber]

What a bunch of hypocrite Canadians, Want to save the world from global warming, all the while, they send their raw sewage straight into the oceans.

Victoria after all these years STILL sends thier crap into the Pacific.

Victoria told to quit dumping sewage in ocean

This is the former constituency of David Anderson, environment minister in the Chretien cabinet and big booster of Kyoto.

[jbg]

Canada is a horrible environmental failure... nothing positive has happened since Mulroney somewhat fixed the acid rain situation. The Liberals set us back decades.

I will note that I noticed that both your national parks (Banff was the one I've been to) and provincial parks (Algonquin) allow much more private development of inholdings, and perhaps public areas, than US national parks.

[mikedavid00]

take a good looka round you, 'cause your environment,your city,your province needs to do a lot of work before you shell out billions of $$$$ to some foreign country for "credits" to curb some 6% of global warming.Let's clean up OUR mess at home before we tackle the world.

I totally agree.

It will take the long haul over a long time. Is there even anyone on this forum that support Kyoto anymore?

[mikedavid00]

Canada is a horrible environmental failure... nothing positive has happened since Mulroney somewhat fixed the acid rain situation. The Liberals set us back decades.

Chretien and the Liberals were a do nothing gov't. They did nothing but 2 things - cut transfer payments to the provinces by 40% to reduce the debt (causing massive hospotial closures and stories of people dying on stretchers), and created a gun registry.

That's all the liberals did in 12 years.

[Saturn]

Quite right! Canada is quite a failure on the environmental front. Enviromental laws and regulations are very lax and even then hardly enforced. Penalties for major environmental crimes amount to pennies and overall it's much cheaper to polute than to be clean. In the meantime respiratory disease and cancer rates are skyrocketing. Hmm, well, we can't do anything about it because not poisoning ourselves and others will be too expensive and we'll all end up unemployed and broke. So let's just put off doing anything until 2050 and pretend that we are doing something in the meantime. And we can blame previous governments for our failures.

And why shouldn't we dump our crap in lakes, rivers and oceans? Do you realize how expensive builidng sewege treatment plants is? It will cost us $10/person and we sure can't have a tax raise. We are taxed to death as it is. We should just sit and wait for market forces to build treatment plants - if they are needed the private sector will provide.

[stignasty]

While you've pointed out that the Kyoto accord does nothing to solve the problems mentioned (Victoria et al), you haven't addressed what the current government is doing about them.

Is this a real issue or is it a straw man?

[punked]

Halifax just kicked a new pirmary treatment plant into the works your info must be old cause we are dealing with our problem. Not to mention halifax has amost shut down all our landfills and incenterators cause we actuallt care about the enviroment.

[hiti]

Too bad that Steve choose to cancel Paul Martin's Canada Strategic Infrastructure Fund which provided $4 billion for sewage treatment along with other infrastructure.

What is Stevie doing with all those extra funds?????? He gave Dubya $1 billion and spent many more billions on the military. Where is the rest?

[Wilber]

Too bad that Steve choose to cancel Paul Martin's Canada Strategic Infrastructure Fund which provided $4 billion for sewage treatment along with other infrastructure.

What is Stevie doing with all those extra funds?????? He gave Dubya $1 billion and spent many more billions on the military. Where is the rest?

He gave Dubya 1 billion?

[Saturn]

Too bad that Steve choose to cancel Paul Martin's Canada Strategic Infrastructure Fund which provided $4 billion for sewage treatment along with other infrastructure.

What is Stevie doing with all those extra funds?????? He gave Dubya $1 billion and spent many more billions on the military. Where is the rest?

He gave Dubya 1 billion?

Yes - lumber. But that's not the point here. The point is that the Conservatives can complain all they want about what the Liberals didn't do but they aren't doing anything either. The Conservatives are running the government and they are responsible for what gets done or not done.

[Wilber]

Too bad that Steve choose to cancel Paul Martin's Canada Strategic Infrastructure Fund which provided $4 billion for sewage treatment along with other infrastructure.

What is Stevie doing with all those extra funds?????? He gave Dubya $1 billion and spent many more billions on the military. Where is the rest?

He gave Dubya 1 billion?

Yes - lumber. But that's not the point here. The point is that the Conservatives can complain all they want about what the Liberals didn't do but they aren't doing anything either. The Conservatives are running the government and they are responsible for what gets done or not done.

So the Liberals were going to finance their infrastucture program with the money they got back from softwood duties.