Calling The Federal Reserve

[PolyNewbie]

Rothschild owned the English Empire the day after the English won the Battle of Waterloo. He had his fast cutters cross the channel and he was the first to know the outcome of the battle. Nathan Rothschild recognised the value of intelligence.

When he learned of the English winning the war he went to the stock exchange and began selling off his English bonds. His competitors saw this and knew Nathan knew world events before anyone else and they began to sell their bonds off thinking the English had lost.

Nathan Rothschild then bought them all up for pennies on the dollar through his agents. By the end of that day he owned 95% of the English bonds.

Both the legal system and central banking was brought over here by the English. The formation the the USA was to escape these two oppressive institutions.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

You can trace the problems back to the creation of the bank of England. Before the creation of the bank the British government had no debt but within years the government created a debt that it has not yet repaid after centuries of the application of credit.

OK - in 1694 the government of England needed money. it had two choices: it could either raise taxes or go into debt. Both approaches had their downside but the English Government choose to go try something different. In the following centuries England grew into the foremost economic power in the world and you expect people to believe that it had absolutely nothing to do with the montary and legal polices adopted by the English Government in the late 17th century?

I never said that at all and because of that you are misrepresenting my position Riverwind. The economic rise of England had much to do with its monetary and legal policies. Those policies fueled the industrial revolution which allowed for the creation of the English Empire. You may recall that the sun did eventually set on that empire after all. Part of the reason for the decline of the empire was financial was it not? So in effect that which created the empire was partly responsible for defeating it. Monetary policies and economics are not the be all and end all of human existence. That is my point. People matter, so much so that democracy has taken root. They matter so much that communism was tried to solve the problems of the people which at one time were viewed as created by the rich and powerful. People matter so much that trade unions were created to stand against corporations who abused them. People matter to the extent that governments have created employment laws to safe gaurd them.

Between governments and lawyers, bureaucrates and businessmen the people have needs that are not being addressed properly. The financial sector has placed a stranglehold on the third world and the average citizen in the first world is a wage slave to their creditors. What I am saying is that there is an economic imbalance that was created with the advent of the financial sector. Over a number of generations banking laws have degenerated to the point where there are no hard currency reserves needed to operate a financial institution. The only backstop is the feds who utilize the citizens ability to pay taxes to support the financial sector. There is no gold standard to limit the money supply created by governments and there is the use of fiat currencies that are effectively outside of the control of the nations. The industry is for all intents and purposes self regulated and self policed. Bank profits are sky high and citizens savings surprisingly low. These are all causes and effects of our consuming society. It is the way things are, and it suits the banking industry very well.

Now stretch out your imagination and tell me what will happen when you get a nation like China who can produce goods and supply services at a mere fraction of what our indigenous companies can produce? Let me answer that for you Riverwind, we will find ourselves in deep trouble because our system utilizes leverages that cannot be applied against an economy that is far larger and less affluent than our own. It works fine if you are the boss hog, but not worth a damn if you are second fiddle. Look back to the fall of the British Empire. After the second world war it was buried in debt to the extent that it could no longer apply economic leverage to a larger market that did not have infrastructure problems, enter the USA. The shoe is changing feet again, but who can see it happen?

Monetary policy is a key to our salvation or damnation, depending on the application or its reforms. This subject will become more relevant as time goes by, trust me.

[PolyNewbie]

economic theory is like a very large pile of male bovine excrement. You can trace the problems back to the creation of the bank of England. Before the creation of the bank the British government had no debt but within years the government created a debt that it has not yet repaid after centuries of the application of credit. This ties in chronologically with the creation of the "corporation" to limit the liability of business owners and investors. Go figure.

Exactly..

But they don't teach the real truth behind our civilization in the schools or on TV. You have to dig and read. The establishment will go out of its way to tell you about global warming (which is more banker propoganda) but they will never ever tell you how money is created.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

I have actually talked to my banker, the branch manager of the Alberta Treaury Branch Financial institution in my town. Very interesting lady, very helpful in discussion of just about anything you like. The most intersting thing I found out was that my bank is able to create money! Its a class one chartered bank, don't you know! This little institution in Alberta could mean a very bright future for Albertans if the politicians would wake up and smell the coffee. Imagine that, a non-privately owned bank that can create money. The things that can be done!

[PolyNewbie]

Interesting. If people don't wake up and start changing we will have the "big one" that will make Stalinist Russia, NAZI Germany and Mao's China seem like a nice walk on a cool summers day. We will be knocked back to the 14th centrury. Americans do it bigger and better than everyone else.

Mao & Stalin are heros to the folks at the CFR and the CFR is the government in the USA. Clinton, on his first day of work as president wore a Mao button on his suit. These people are all communists.

[PolyNewbie]

Any link for that bank Jerry ?

I'm no economic scholar or monetary scholar so I have been looking around for the best sources of info to wake people up about this.

One is a 63 page (large type) book called Fantopia by James Gibb Stuart. Anyone can read and understand this book.

Another is a DVD called "Money As Debt". Its a 47 minute cartoon.

These will make great gifts this season and some intesting conversation as well. The holidays are a good time to spread the word.

[Riverwind]

The financial sector has placed a stranglehold on the third world and the average citizen in the first world is a wage slave to their creditors. What I am saying is that there is an economic imbalance that was created with the advent of the financial sector.

Has that imbalance been caused by the financial sector or by the way gov'ts and individuals have choosen to assume debt that they should not have assumed. You could argue that the current system needs more checks to prevent people and gov't from making dumb decisions but that argument does _not_ show that the entire financial system is fundementally flawed.

Now stretch out your imagination and tell me what will happen when you get a nation like China who can produce goods and supply services at a mere fraction of what our indigenous companies can produce?

If we cannot find a way to compete then our currencies will have to drop until we can compete. That will mean our standard of living will take a huge beating but that has to happen anyways since the earth cannot continue to supply the resources necessary to mainatin our current standard of living.

After the second world war it was buried in debt to the extent that it could no longer apply economic leverage to a larger market that did not have infrastructure problems, enter the USA.

I fail to see why the demotion of Britain from a superpower to a major power was a big problem for the British people. It is true they went through hard times after the war but that is to be expected - it was a war after all. US will be demoted from its superpower status but that does not mean Americans will end up living like Chinese peasants.

[Higgly]

The financial sector has placed a stranglehold on the third world

They seem to be fighting back nicely these days. India, China, Nigeria, Venezuela. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to live in Nigeria for all the tea in...

I will agree that third world countries that fall by the wayside are in the hands of the vultures (the World Bank, et al), but nobody else wants them at that point.

All of this having been said, I would rather live in a country in the throes of economic collapse than one run efficiently by a psychopath.

[PolyNewbie]

Riverwind:US will be demoted from its superpower status but that does not mean Americans will end up living like Chinese peasants.

I agree. Most of us will be executed in the FEMA death camps that have been secretly built over the past 20 years.

Look up "Operation Night Train" - a US gov doc that shows how they will pick members of the military to come and wake you up in the middle of the night and drag you away by train. Also see Rex 84.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

Any link for that bank Jerry ?

I'm no economic scholar or monetary scholar so I have been looking around for the best sources of info to wake people up about this.

One is a 63 page (large type) book called Fantopia by James Gibb Stuart. Anyone can read and understand this book.

Another is a DVD called "Money As Debt". Its a 47 minute cartoon.

These will make great gifts this season and some intesting conversation as well. The holidays are a good time to spread the word.

Which bank ATB Financial?

www.atb.com

Major C.H. Douglas wrote extensively on this subject and created a very interesting theory, it is worth a read.

[Riverwind]

I agree. Most of us will be executed in the FEMA death camps that have been secretly built over the past 20 years.

In that case, I guess I better stock up on my supply of tinfoil hats.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

The financial sector has placed a stranglehold on the third world and the average citizen in the first world is a wage slave to their creditors. What I am saying is that there is an economic imbalance that was created with the advent of the financial sector.

Has that imbalance been caused by the financial sector or by the way gov'ts and individuals have choosen to assume debt that they should not have assumed. You could argue that the current system needs more checks to prevent people and gov't from making dumb decisions but that argument does _not_ show that the entire financial system is fundementally flawed.

It was caused by the creation of the financial sector, and compounded with the complicity of the governments who were and are the biggest customers of the banks. The problem does not lay at the feet of the government or at the feet of the industry itself, it lays before us the free people who allow our politics and governments to enslave us within the paradigms that have formed the foundations of the financial structure in our society.

Now stretch out your imagination and tell me what will happen when you get a nation like China who can produce goods and supply services at a mere fraction of what our indigenous companies can produce?

If we cannot find a way to compete then our currencies will have to drop until we can compete. That will mean our standard of living will take a huge beating but that has to happen anyways since the earth cannot continue to supply the resources necessary to mainatin our current standard of living.

"Our" standard of living? You mean the wage slave, but not the investor class of citizens bec ause they will no doubt be able to afford to invest in the very company's that will put our employers out of business in our own land. Make no mistake the WTO is designed to protect the owners of business, and participating nations have the means of protecting the wealth of the investors or they simply are not allowed to participate. The rich will just get richer, but there will be many more poor than there ever was. There is far more productive capacity then is needed, there is not a shortage but a surplus of resources Riverwind. That is the root of the problem! There is such great wealth that it makes even the most affluent envious. There is not a shortage of food either. There is more than enough to go around, but the system we live in is a supply and demand consumer society where availability controls the market price. Therefore producers limit their productive capacity and charge a premium for their products. Look at the diamond market for example and tell me there is a shortage of pretty rocks.

After the second world war it was buried in debt to the extent that it could no longer apply economic leverage to a larger market that did not have infrastructure problems, enter the USA.

I fail to see why the demotion of Britain from a superpower to a major power was a big problem for the British people. It is true they went through hard times after the war but that is to be expected - it was a war after all. US will be demoted from its superpower status but that does not mean Americans will end up living like Chinese peasants.

Think of all of the little investors who had stock in company's involved in war production that simply didn't survive the conversion to commercial applications after the war. How about all the people that worked in those company's? It would be a problem for you if you lost your job and were unable to find employment of any sort in your town would you not? Say you had to move to be retrained at another location and your real estate investment was worth pennies on the dollar in your home town because everyone was out of work and they were all trying to sell there houses, would that be a BIG problem then?

Perhaps more importantly, the Chinese peasants have lived that way for thousands of years and know nothing else, Americans do know something else don't they? Do you think perhaps they may be a little pissed off? Perhaps enough to take some kind of drastic action even?

[Jerry J. Fortin]

The financial sector has placed a stranglehold on the third world

They seem to be fighting back nicely these days. India, China, Nigeria, Venezuela. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to live in Nigeria for all the tea in...

You don't fight the IMF and the World Bank. You want their help you ask for it, they will show up right smartly. They will tell you how to run your country if you want their money, and you get to pledge some strategic assets and sign on the dotted line. When you get into trouble with payments they will make some arrangements for you. Some nice folks will come by and fix the problem by collecting some of the collateral you pledged and they will give you some economic intructions to implement in your country. Do as you are told and you get to collect some more money.

I will agree that third world countries that fall by the wayside are in the hands of the vultures (the World Bank, et al), but nobody else wants them at that point.

I certainly agree with you there. They get rode hard and put away wet.

All of this having been said, I would rather live in a country in the throes of economic collapse than one run efficiently by a psychopath.

Well yes I suppose that is one choice to be made.

[Higgly]

"Our" standard of living? You mean the wage slave, but not the investor class...

I was a wage slave all my life. I saved and invested my money in RRSPs. Now I am a member of the investor class. No problem.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

Riverwind:US will be demoted from its superpower status but that does not mean Americans will end up living like Chinese peasants.

I agree. Most of us will be executed in the FEMA death camps that have been secretly built over the past 20 years.

Look up "Operation Night Train" - a US gov doc that shows how they will pick members of the military to come and wake you up in the middle of the night and drag you away by train. Also see Rex 84.

What on earth are you talking about? FEMA death camps! You must be kidding...........

[Jerry J. Fortin]

"Our" standard of living? You mean the wage slave, but not the investor class...

I was a wage slave all my life. I saved and invested my money in RRSPs. Now I am a member of the investor class. No problem.

You mean you are retired! I have no room for RRSP's the damned feds gave my tax deduction to my employer! On the other hand I will get a nice little pension, not so little actually! At any rate I have 7 years left to go, and no intention of buying stocks or bonds. I don't want to get into real estate either. I have no intention of starting a business, but I do intend to move to a warmer climate. Send me my pension check, my old age check and my company pension plan to the tropics! I can grow my own food all year round there.

[Higgly]

I hope you get out before some bastard steals your pension. I get real riled when I read about some of the nonsense that employers get up to with pensions.

[Riverwind]

On the other hand I will get a nice little pension, not so little actually! At any rate I have 7 years left to go, and no intention of buying stocks or bonds.

I got some bad news for you: your pension plan probably holds a pile of Canadian gov't bonds. Without the 'financial system' and gov't debt you would have no pension.

[PolyNewbie]

What on earth are you talking about? FEMA death camps! You must be kidding...........

No, we have 800 of them on this continent, FEMO is building more. Google FEMA concentration camps. I've seen videos on YouTube of the entire layouts. Now no one can get near them without being arrested so there are no more movies. They are all linked by rail and contain execution systems.

We have an oligarchy that worships Mao and Joe & a type C/D population - as opposed to the young wippersnappers of China with a type A population.

I first learned of this plan about 15 yeaqrs ago from someone that turned down a Rhodes scholarship. Rhodes scholars are all about the New World Order.

See 20,000 or so hits on this on google.

[PolyNewbie]

Riverwind:In that case, I guess I better stock up on my supply of tinfoil hats.

Go watch TV Riverwind. This kind of stuff never happens (except in China, Rissia, Germany, Africa, ..etc) but our politicians would never do that to us because we are democratic and free (except for HR 6166 - but don't worry about that either - its just another conspiracy theory).

[PolyNewbie]

see

Oliver North / Questions

[Riverwind]

our politicians would never do that to us because we are democratic and free

Our politicians never do that because we have a free press that would be all over a story like this if there was any truth to it.

I remember going through the Safeway checkout when I was a kid and reading the amazing stories in the 'newspapers' near the checkout. I wondered for years why these incredible stories were never reported on the regular news. Then I grew up.

[PolyNewbie]

Our politicians never do that because we have a free press that would be all over a story like this if there was any truth to it.

The free press is all over it. Jack Blood, Meria Heller, Alex Jones, + many others. Photos of trains with shackles for feet and hands with benches really say it all.

320,000 hits on google. Do you believe Congressman Ron Paul or Oliver North ? What about gov documents ? Look up Rex 84 and Operation Night Train 84.

Its also been in mainstream newspapers. Did you watch those videos ? They show well known officials talking about them.

[PolyNewbie]

Then I grew up.

No one ever completely grows up. I wonder if a Russian or German or Jew or Chinaman ever used that line.

You need to watch the videos and see what congressmen think of it.

Many small newspapers have been bought up by corps. They are not the same anymore.

Look up Tex Marrs - he is a scholar and has an impressive CV but has been discredited for exposing all of this. The NAZI's did the same thing to people exposing their plans.

[Riverwind]

Look up Tex Marrs - he is a scholar and has an impressive CV but has been discredited for exposing all of this. The NAZI's did the same thing to people exposing their plans.

Give me a break - the press exposed the sponsorship scandal, Monica Lewinsky and Abu Ghraib. They are equal opportunity character assiassins and will run any story that will sell. If there was any substance to your 'concentration camp' allegations the press woulds be all over it.