Drea Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 Drea, your opinion of women is little different from Argus'. The stoopid wimin vote Conservative. I have no respect for women who allow men to make their decisions (especially one as important as the party running the country) based on what they've been "told" rather than what they personally "glean" from thinking for themselves. How did I change the topic Ricki Bobbi? Quote ...jealous much? Booga Booga! Hee Hee Hee
Ricki Bobbi Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 Drea: Where did this quote come from? In direct response to the justification of insults by conservatives -- "Belinda, the whore! She crossed the floor!" So yes, jdobbin was correct in bringing this in to the thread in this context. Pretty easy to provide evidence *proving* the Conservatives are anti-whatever if you pull the evidence out of thin air. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Drea Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 Harper switching parties was mentioned only because the conservatives are (still!) on such a tirade about Belinda's crossing over. Harper was only mentioned because he was the high-profile conservative who has switched parties. IMO if it's ok to mention Belinda's crossing then it's ok to mention Harper's. Quote ...jealous much? Booga Booga! Hee Hee Hee
Higgly Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 The thread is not about Harper at all. The thread is about Mckay. No it is about Harper and what he is going to do about this mess. Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
Drea Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 The thread is not about Harper at all. The thread is about Mckay. No it is about Harper and what he is going to do about this mess. It's about what he's NOT going to do -- he's NOT going to be running the country for long if he (and his minions) continue to insult 50% of the population. We know how conservatives feel about women. Argus have proven that. Quote ...jealous much? Booga Booga! Hee Hee Hee
Ricki Bobbi Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 Harper switching parties was mentioned only because the conservatives are (still!) on such a tirade about Belinda's crossing over. Harper was only mentioned because he was the high-profile conservative who has switched parties. IMO if it's ok to mention Belinda's crossing then it's ok to mention Harper's. Evidence about this ongoing tirade? Sorry for not taking your beliefs as "self-evident". Was it ok for me to ask a question about jdobbin's evidence of Harper swithcing parties repeatedly? Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Drea Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 Evidence about this ongoing tirade? Sorry for not taking your beliefs as "self-evident". The conservatives (and MacKay in particular) just can't seem to "get over it". She left Peter, she left the party. Move on. Quote ...jealous much? Booga Booga! Hee Hee Hee
Argus Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 Tell a woman (especially a young one) that you have a plan to combat greenhouse gases and she'll beam and nod her head approvingly. The man is more likely to ask how much it costs. Really? The trend lately is for women to more educated then men. Yes, but it's a relatively new trend, and overall, men still tend to be more educated. Also, most of the women I know are graduates from liberal arts courses: psychology, sociology, history, English, and know little and want to know less about economics, finance and science. And in my experience, many women I've talked to know a lot about politics, young ones as well. I found that women tend to be more balanced in their poltical analysis, unlike some men who tend to have a very narrow focus and don't look at the whole picture. <shrug> My experience is the opposite. The younger women I know tend to focus on what they think should be done, and don't like to be distracted by the complexities, costs and side effects of proposals. That would certainly tend to make them more likely to vote Liberal or NDP. The one person with the most passion was a women who believed that the Conservatives were sacrificing future generations' health and the environment's health by not doing what was necessary to combat Global warming all in the name of creating jobs and keeping "Big Oil" happy. Yes, that sort of sentiment is common. But ask her what exactly should be done, and look at the blank expression on her face. "We should reduce greenhouse gases!" "Okay. How?" Cue blank look. Then something like "They should make a law banning it!" Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 Quite possibly. Young men are pretty stupid. They tend to grow out of it, though. And they tend, when older, to be less sentimental than women. Sentimentalism has its uses. I can get pretty sentimental at times, myself, but it's not something that should affect your vote. Sentimentality and empathy are very important in the scheme of things. These traits, including intelligence, separate us from animals. When I see border-line poverty, when I see inequality, when I see unfairness, when I see the environment been contaminated, when I see monies going to rich corporations when many people in this country are struggling to survive day by day, then yes, sentimentality and emphahy will impact on my vote. And i disagree with your assumption about men, not all men become less sentimental, not all men become more stubborn and close-minded as you suggest. Sentimentality does not equal open-mindedness. Quite the opposite. It tends to obscure truth, dismiss logic and bypass intelligence in favour of emotion. You don't like border-line poverty, eh? So what should we do? Let me guess here. Increase taxes on people who have more money and give it to poorer people? As for consequences, oh who cares, right? Yes, you're correct some men don't get less sentimental. That's why we have the NDP, for dreamers who never grew up. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Drea Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 The times they are a-changin'! I know it's tough for you old conservative men -- but hey -- women are more educated, more aware these days. Why? Because we (most of us) are no longer under our husbands' control. More women than ever are becoming engineers and the like. It's taken many years to gain this equality in education. Wasn't very long ago that women were not considered persons under the law and were not allowed to own property, etc. So yah, it's going to take another generation or two before true equality has been reached. And I will continue to fight attitudes like yours that demean women. Quote ...jealous much? Booga Booga! Hee Hee Hee
Argus Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 They also tend to be less educated, and far less knowledgeable or interested in politics. 'Women abandon Argus'.... Right up there with your rants on Moslems Ahh, Higgly, with all the unpredictability of an inconstant world, you remain a bedrock of certainty in your proud, if inarticulate display of what happens when poor reading skills meet self-righteous ignorance. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Higgly Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 Sentimentality does not equal open-mindedness. Quite the opposite. It tends to obscure truth, dismiss logic and bypass intelligence in favour of emotion. Oh Man. The Hindenburg.... 'It's just terrible ladies and gentlemen. I can't believe it. The flames are everywhere. Who can possibly survive this ....' Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
Argus Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 hi dear Andrea.I miss u too very much.I am studing architecting in Tehran university now .the capital of Iran.so I am not at home and I can use computer just at the university.plz tell me whw\en u are online that I can find a time and chat u Just got this instant message from my friend in Iran. a FEMALE! an EDUCATED female! in IRAN! becoming an ARCHITECT! wimim ar sew stoopid and unedukated eh argus!? Well... some are. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 Who says they're negative towards women? These are observable traits. Both genders have them. You know Argus, I can't ever recalling a woman saying 'Bow Wow.'. And I have known a lot of them in a lot of different places. Of course, your mileage may vary.... It does not sound to me, Higgly, as if you have ever known a woman other than your mother. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 Get over it. This isn't about Harper himself, it's about conservatives negative attitude toward women. Drivel. Negative attitudes? Like what? Women have always been less likely to vote for a conservative party - here or elsewhere. It's utterly, utterly predictable for reasons I have already stated. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Higgly Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 Who says they're negative towards women? These are observable traits. Both genders have them. You know Argus, I can't ever recalling a woman saying 'Bow Wow.'. And I have known a lot of them in a lot of different places. Of course, your mileage may vary.... It does not sound to me, Higgly, as if you have ever known a woman other than your mother. Hee hee Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
Drea Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 We all personally know some men who are complete idiots. (complidiots ) We all know personally some women who are also idiots. Trouble is, those who tend to vote conservative also tend to believe that women are "less" than men. Less educated, less intelligent, less logical, less able. In other words - conservatives tend to believe women are idiots. Conservative men and women believe that the man's opinions and ideals should hold sway. Quote ...jealous much? Booga Booga! Hee Hee Hee
Argus Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 Drea, your opinion of women is little different from Argus'. The stoopid wimin vote Conservative. I have no respect for women who allow men to make their decisions (especially one as important as the party running the country) based on what they've been "told" rather than what they personally "glean" from thinking for themselves. And you think women who vote Conservative do that? The only two young women I now who vote the way they do because "daddy" did, both vote Liberal. Another frankly admits she doesn't follow politics and finds it boring, and votes Liberal because her husband does. Most of the other younger women don't bother to vote, though they tend to be dismissive of the Conservative Party. The women I know who do vote Conservative tend to be considerably tougher and less emotional than the others, with a personality which says "cut the bullshit" and a look to match. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 The thread is not about Harper at all. The thread is about Mckay. No it is about Harper and what he is going to do about this mess. It's about what he's NOT going to do -- he's NOT going to be running the country for long if he (and his minions) continue to insult 50% of the population. We know how conservatives feel about women. Argus have proven that. I wonder when it was that lefties became so utterly self-righteous and for so very little reason. What do I think about women, Drea? That they tend to be more emotional and sentimental than men? Do you actually dispute this? That most young women pay little attention to politics, finding it boring and pointless? I think most polls would agree with me. What do I feel about women, Drea? Do tell me. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Higgly Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 LOL Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
Argus Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 Evidence about this ongoing tirade? Sorry for not taking your beliefs as "self-evident". The conservatives (and MacKay in particular) just can't seem to "get over it". She left Peter, she left the party. Move on. In the annals of unfriendly break-ups, what Mckay said was virtually nothing. In the annals of insults in the Commons it was probably even less. The only reason we're discussing this is the victimhood mentality and laughably childish self-righteousness of those who have seized upon this one little blurted statement to condemn not only McKay, but the Conservative Party and all conservatives, gosh, even conservatism itself. You'd think his statement was something of earth-shattering importance and significance which will act as a beacon through the ages! Talk about "get over it"! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Drea Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 Drea, your opinion of women is little different from Argus'. The stoopid wimin vote Conservative. I have no respect for women who allow men to make their decisions (especially one as important as the party running the country) based on what they've been "told" rather than what they personally "glean" from thinking for themselves. And you think women who vote Conservative do that? The only two young women I now who vote the way they do because "daddy" did, both vote Liberal. Another frankly admits she doesn't follow politics and finds it boring, and votes Liberal because her husband does. Most of the other younger women don't bother to vote, though they tend to be dismissive of the Conservative Party. The women I know who do vote Conservative tend to be considerably tougher and less emotional than the others, with a personality which says "cut the bullshit" and a look to match. Have you ever been around a woman older than 30? You keep mentioning young women. Very few young people have any interest in politics whatsoever. It's a youth thang, not a woman thang. Conservative women tougher? So? Does one need to be "tough" to vote on an issue? Does it make me "tough" that I agree with Harper regarding crime and punishment in this country? Quote ...jealous much? Booga Booga! Hee Hee Hee
Argus Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 The times they are a-changin'!I know it's tough for you old conservative men -- but hey -- women are more educated, more aware these days. And poorer, and lonelier. Why? Because of the pill, and because they tend not to be having babies like they used to. Because we (most of us) are no longer under our husbands' control. Like they were in the fifties and sixties, eh? So yah, it's going to take another generation or two before true equality has been reached. And I will continue to fight attitudes like yours that demean women. What attitudes are those, sweetie? I have absolutely unbounded respect for strong, self-reliant, capable, thoughtful, intelligent women. But a whiny, self-righteous victimhood attitude is not something which merits respect. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Drea Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 Poorer? Lonelier? I am neither poor nor lonely. Like in the 50's and 60's. Yes exactly! There was no equality then. My mother would attest to that. The ONLY option she had to leave her father's home was to find a man to marry her. Honey, I ain't no victim. I am a very strong, independent liberal thinking educated woman. I made my life. No man made it for me. The He-Man Woman-Hates Club is looking for a president. You should run. Quote ...jealous much? Booga Booga! Hee Hee Hee
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