Bloomberg: Environmentalists Call Leaked Canada Bill Ineffective

[cybercoma]

Actually cyber I have spoken about it on the forum before. I've had the exact same demand made of me elsewhere.

I will answer each of your concerns in order:

A carbon tax of some kind is certainly in order. Any less is not taking the problem seriously. There needs to be a non-market incentive to conserve, right away.

The oilfields don't need to be shut down, but expansion should be halted immediately and a lot of money needs to be spent on making them less polluting.

And your concern for automakers is unfounded. If you were informed about automakers you would know that gas milliage regulations aren't an extreme burden to adopt. The companies who do best in it are the most profitable.

So those are the things you demand of the government?

I need you to further explain your idea of carbon tax and how it would work.

Halting the expansion of the oilfields will put people out of jobs and seriously hurt the Canadian economy. All for something that may not have any impact on Global Warming. Is that worth it? Absolutely not.

If the companies who provide the best gas mileage in their vehicles are the most profitable, then why does the government have to interfere in the market? According to what you're saying, people are already replacing their vehicles with more energy efficient ones. So why does the government even have to get involved?

[Technocrat]

Just so everyone knows... the liberals have little to do with coming up with a plan... they go to the public servants for that. They did do that by the way... and were finishing up the details of it. Of course... to come up with a implementation plan is not exactly easy... you have to consult with many parts of the government, industries, scientists, economists... you name it. I saw part of the plan (a family member was on the implementation team), yes there actually was for the most part a written down plan.

Unfortunately the government fell and the Harper government threw out years of work. Now we have this hap hazzard BS that they are talking about now... Im all for cleaning up air polution... but it just seems that it was a big waste to scrap what was a nearly finished plan. Not to mention the new legislation just seems to be doddling to waste time before the next election ...

Now im not a firm beleiver in Humans causing global warming... nothing is easy to prove... especially when something is as complex as long term atmospheric projections (ask your local weather man). But there is an overwhelming scientific concensus that climate change is occuring and that there is a likely hood that we have some part in that.

Below is a great graph... of the decline of pirates and the increase in global temperature. My climate change economist family member sent it too... enjoy!

[gerryhatrick]

Actually cyber I have spoken about it on the forum before. I've had the exact same demand made of me elsewhere.

I will answer each of your concerns in order:

A carbon tax of some kind is certainly in order. Any less is not taking the problem seriously. There needs to be a non-market incentive to conserve, right away.

The oilfields don't need to be shut down, but expansion should be halted immediately and a lot of money needs to be spent on making them less polluting.

And your concern for automakers is unfounded. If you were informed about automakers you would know that gas milliage regulations aren't an extreme burden to adopt. The companies who do best in it are the most profitable.

So those are the things you demand of the government?

I need you to further explain your idea of carbon tax and how it would work.

It's a tax on cabon and it would reduce C02 emissions.

Don't act as if I've got to provide all the details or it's untenable, mmk? A carbon tax is an obvious tax. A targetted tax. If you wish to fill in the blanks and rail against it on the grounds that nobody would drive anymore or some such thing be my guest.

Halting the expansion of the oilfields will put people out of jobs and seriously hurt the Canadian economy. All for something that may not have any impact on Global Warming. Is that worth it? Absolutely not.

Halting the expansion of the oilfields would seriously hurt the Canadian economy? You must be joking. The Canadian economy is doing just fine and would continue to do just fine without oilfield expansion.

And exactly how would halting oilfield expansion not have any impact on Global Warming? Do you not believe that human generated greenhouse gases are causing Global Warming?

If the companies who provide the best gas mileage in their vehicles are the most profitable, then why does the government have to interfere in the market? According to what you're saying, people are already replacing their vehicles with more energy efficient ones. So why does the government even have to get involved?

To speed up the process.