westcoast99 Posted September 29, 2003 Author Report Posted September 29, 2003 The talks have not collapsed. MacKay is urging the talks to continue and Loyola Hearn says it is now Harper who is not putting forth the effort to merge the parties. Quote
dnsfurlan Posted September 29, 2003 Report Posted September 29, 2003 The talks have not collapsed. MacKay is urging the talks to continue and Loyola Hearn says it is now Harper who is not putting forth the effort to merge the parties. The talks have collapsed. There will be no meeting today. And any future discussion will be lead by Harper on the Alliance side, only if he gets some firm proposals from the PCs. Here is where they stand. Harper and the CA team accuse the PC's of not putting forth any firm counter-proposals of their own. Hearn accuses Harper of meddling in the negotiations and not allowing the negotiators to do their work. If past history and patterns tell us anything, its that the PCs are the ones who have always dragged their feet on this. Any merger has to move swiftly, and all the PCs seem to want to do is continue talks. At the same time, I'm mot sure how sincere Harper has been either. He virtually promised a deal on Friday, saying they were real close, only to find out later they were never really close. So, his promise was false, especially given his assertion that the PCs never made any firm counter-proposals. If they never made any firm counter-proposals than how was he so sure that they were so close to a deal? Is anyone else getting tired of all this? Quote
dnsfurlan Posted September 29, 2003 Report Posted September 29, 2003 A clarification. I think Harper's stance is that a deal was all but done. Then, the PCs backed away from it witout any counter-proposals. So, if you believe Harper, the PCs got some second thoughts and were not putting anything firm on the table to resolve their reservations about merger. And, if you take a look at whats been happening with the PC caucus, and the lack of unanimity, there may be some merit to Haprer's claims. The PCs got cold feet, started to delay, and then wanted to blame Harper for walking away. Hearn's accusations that Harper was meddling in the talks seems insincere. Gee, a leader of a party wanting to make sure the talks were proceeding in a way he saw fit. Blasphemy that is, I tell 'ya. My guess is that if Mackay can somehow deal with the uneasiness that is clearly visible within his own ranks, then he will come with a firm counter-proposal. However, that better come pretty soon. Recent trends suggest that might be asking for too much. Quote
Craig Read Posted September 30, 2003 Report Posted September 30, 2003 This is dead. MacKay has proven his worthlessness. He is not a leader just an empty suit. If he really wanted to merge he would have found middle ground on the election of leader and the other issues that were troubling poor Peter and the Red Tories. I think Peter and friends just enjoy being the rump leadership of a left wing party and don't want to share the sandbox or their toys. Quote
Mr. Chater Posted October 1, 2003 Report Posted October 1, 2003 if indeed nothing happens, he will regret it for the rest of his life. This is one thing that he could of done that was RIGHT. Quote
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