The Greatest Crisis In Modern History

[PolyNewbie]

When you consider the fact that there is another list of senators, congressman, generals, majors, heads of federal departments, etc that all think 911 was an inside job and the fact that there is another great big list of scientists on st911.org who all think the same thing, it makes you wonder about the supporters of the official version, particularly since they are all on government payroll.

My lists are much more credible and these people are much higher on the etstablishment pecking order than the likes of Gene Corely and a bunch of people that edit photos and/or are public relations officers.

Senators, congressmen, top military, presidential advisors, head economists

But then you guys have your Bin Laden confession tape that any retard can see plainly isn't Bin Laden. And we have the real Bin Laden on tape saying he didn't do it.

That tape of Bin Laden is all the evidence you have supporting your views. You are also in a small minority.

[PolyNewbie]

kimmy:Leonard Lewin. A guy who was known as a humorist and satirist even before Iron Mountain was published.

You can find it by Googling "The Report From Iron Mountain". Please point out the satirical or humourous parts of this for me. It won't take long to read.

[PolyNewbie]

Robert Bowman on 911:

"A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It’s impossible. … There’s a second group of facts having to do with the cover up. Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don’t want us to know what happened and who’s responsible. Who gained from 9/11? Who covered up crucial information? And who put out the patently false stories about 9/11 in the first place? I think the case is pretty clear that it’s highly placed individuals in the administration with all roads passing through Dick Cheney. I think the very kindest thing that we can say about George W. Bush and all the people in the U.S. Government that have been involved in this massive cover-up ... is that they were aware of impending attacks and let them happen. However even that is high treason and conspiracy to commit murder."

Look him up on Wiki and then tell me how Gene Corelys opinion means anything.

[sunsettommy]

So far I have not seen anything credible in this thread.

9/11 conspiracy is plain stupid.

[kimmy]

You can find it by Googling "The Report From Iron Mountain". Please point out the satirical or humourous parts of this for me. It won't take long to read.

Apparently your grasp of the word "satire" is about as solid as your grasp of the word "hoax".

-k

[PolyNewbie]

sunsettommy:9/11 conspiracy is plain stupid.

Why ?

[Canadian Blue]

I watched a movie on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and I couldn't believe how anti-semitic some of those 9/11 conspiracy nuts were.

I think thats reason nobody takes 9/11 conspiracy theories seriously since who are the primary supporters of those theories, anti-semites who believe it was done by Jew's or Mossad.

[PolyNewbie]

Watch "911 Mysteries: Part1 Demolitions" Its free on Google.

Just because you do not like the viewpoint of a film maker does not mean that 911 was done by Osama Bin Laden.

[Canadian Blue]

Tell me where BBC, CNN, or CTV says that 9/11 was a conspiracy???

[sunsettommy]

sunsettommy:9/11 conspiracy is plain stupid.

Why ?

Just from reading the information you have posted.

I consider it stupid.

It is plain you have no idea how hard it is to do what they claim happened.

It is impossible.

[PolyNewbie]

Sunsettommy:It is plain you have no idea how hard it is to do what they claim happened.

So you think Osama could have orchestrated it from a cave but there is no way the US government could do it ?

What in particular do you find stupid about 911 truth ? I think its stupid just to say "its stupid" without giving a reason.

Did you see the list of ex senators, congressman, generals, majors, and heads of white house departments that think 911 was an inside job ? What do you think of Ron Paul, Robert Bowman, Paul Craig Roberts & Morgan Reynolds ? Do you think that you could teach them a few things ? (they are all on wiki)

[sunsettommy]

So you think Osama could have orchestrated it from a cave but there is no way the US government could do it ?

LOL,

He was not in a cave at the time.

Already you tripped yourself with that.

He and his boys planned it for several years in the late 1990's.

He took the credit for it too.

Your ignorance is obvious.

What in particular do you find stupid about 911 truth ? I think its stupid just to say "its stupid" without giving a reason.

I have been on other forums where people like you were easily blown away with a few things about the event of 9/11.So why should I have to go through all the work blowing away the obvious to people like you only to see your paranoia bubble up.

You brought up nothing rational and coherent in this thread.

Only clueless people swallow stupid conspiracies.

Did you see the list of ex senators, congressman, generals, majors, and heads of white house departments that think 911 was an inside job ? What do you think of Ron Paul, Robert Bowman, Paul Craig Roberts & Morgan Reynolds ? Do you think that you could teach them a few things ? (they are all on wiki)

Do you realize that 99 people can be wrong and 1 person can be right? It has happened before a number of times in science.

It is plain that you and many others have no idea how hard it is to take down the building with explosives.It would have taken many TONS of the stuff.

All the while nobody who works there notices it and that many of them will die for it.

You are easily led by those who have an agenda.

[Canadian Blue]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4990686.stm

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7501020220921158523

Their is some language in the video. But I'd imagine 9/11 would be a touchy issue for those involved.

[PolyNewbie]

Do you realize that 99 people can be wrong and 1 person can be right? It has happened before a number of times in science.

You should hope that works out to be the case this time because you are in a small minority when you think Osama did it.

Tell me why you think Osama did it.

[PolyNewbie]

Canadian Blue: You use mainstream presstitutes for your side of the arguement and I use establishment insiders and hard evidence. All the ajectives and cheap shots made by the above journalist/presstitute add up to zip in forming your case.

Lets hear why you think Osama did it.

[kimmy]

You should hope that works out to be the case this time because you are in a small minority when you think Osama did it.

You keep repeating this (Zogby poll, right?) when it's already been pointed out to you that the poll doesn't say what you people think it says. Why is that, exactly?

-k

[Canadian Blue]

Allright, here's proof that Bin Laden did it.

http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/09/10/36235.html

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/09/10/ar911.osama.exclusive/

http://www.usatoday.com/graphics/news/gra/...tagon/frame.htm

http://www.alternet.org/story/12536/

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77.htm

Canadian Blue: You use mainstream presstitutes for your side of the arguement and I use establishment insiders and hard evidence. All the ajectives and cheap shots made by the above journalist/presstitute add up to zip in forming your case.

I use the mainstream media, for sure, because they don't distort facts in order to give out a distorted incorrect message. Besides alot of your conspiracy theories right now, no offense intended, but they aren't that much different from what the Protocols of the Elders of Zion state.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols..._Elders_of_Zion

As well your notion that "anti-semitic" has been distorted so it can be used for "thought control" is somehwhat unsettling. I don't give your theories all that much weight because they take advantage of people's fear. Especially towards government when their really isn't a reason to fear them as we are still very democratic. If we weren't I'm sure Lyndon Larouche [believed to be fascist] would be in jail today.

[PolyNewbie]

CanadianBlue:I use the mainstream media, for sure, because they don't distort facts in order to give out a distorted incorrect message.

The guy in your second link that is supposed to be a picture of Osama Bin Laden is not Osama Bin Laden. That fake Osama was the same one that mainstream showed as confession to 911. Anyone can see that this guy is not Osama Bin Laden.

Anyone can tell the difference between this guy and the real Osama Bin Laden, see

The Fake Osama Tapes

"When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden’s Most Wanted web page, [Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI] said, “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.” "

-If you can tell the difference between your mother and a cat you can plainly see that this supposed confession by Bin Laden isn't being done by Bin Laden.

The FBI isn't convinced Osama did it, why are you ?

Besides alot of your conspiracy theories right now, no offense intended, but they aren't that much different from what the Protocols of the Elders of Zion state.

I'm not anti Jewish but you should get some quotes from the Talmud off the web. I don't know why you keep on bringing the Jewish based conspiracies into this.

I suppose I should start comparing you to people that believe in Santa Claus.

[PolyNewbie]

Canadian Blue:fear them as we are still very democratic

See Hr 6166 and the military commissions act. The USA is now one of the most oppressive and tyranical governments that has existed in 1000 years. They have even tossed out the Magna Carta.

[Canadian Blue]

See Hr 6166 and the military commissions act. The USA is now one of the most oppressive and tyranical governments that has existed in 1000 years. They have even tossed out the Magna Carta.

Are you kidding me. Seriously have you ever heard of Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Saddam Hussein, Mussolini, and Mao. You have just shown your absolute lack of knowledge with regards to history.

Unless you believe that Hitler didn't really kill 6 million jews, and that is simply used to help take over the world. Which I wouldn't imagine would be much of a stretch.

I'm just wondering, what are your thoughts of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, since you beliefs seem to fall into line with some of the theories in that book.

[PolyNewbie]

I really do not know enough about the Israeli conspiracies to say what my beliefs are. All I can say is that I am in favour of a great big investigation of world war two so that we can put the experience behind us and learn from it. The protocols of Zion is certainly no worse than some ofd the quotes from the Talmud I have read on the web. Overall I do not believe that Jews are playing a big role what is going on globally. I think Jewish people have the same concerns as you and I do and as Palastinians do.

Why do you keep bringing this into the arguement ? Are you anti Jew and are trying to get me to do your dirty work for you ?

Are you kidding me. Seriously have you ever heard of Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Saddam Hussein, Mussolini, and Mao. You have just shown your absolute lack of knowledge with regards to history.

The laws that the USA has in place now are significantly more tyranical than anything these guys have ever comitted to paper. You have just shown your ignorance. You should investigate some legal commentary on the recent laws mean.

[Canadian Blue]

Why do you keep bringing this into the arguement ? Are you anti Jew and are trying to get me to do your dirty work for you ?

Don't you mean anti-semitic???

No not really, I'm simply trying to prove that many 9/11 conspiracy theories are based loosely on the idea that the Jews and Israel were involved in the attacks on 9/11. Besides, your support of Lyndon Larouche who is anti-semitic makes me wonder about your personal feelings towards Jews.

The protocols of Zion is certainly no worse than some ofd the quotes from the Talmud I have read on the web.

So the Jewish Talmud which pertains to Jewish laws, history, customs, and traditions, is just as bad as a piece of literature which said Jew's were scheming to take over the world.

By selectively citing various passages from the Talmud and Midrash, polemicists have sought to demonstrate that Judaism espouses hatred for non-Jews (and specifically for Christians), and promotes obscenity, sexual perversion, and other immoral behavior. To make these passages serve their purposes, these polemicists frequently mistranslate them or cite them out of context (wholesale fabrication of passages is not unknown)...

In distorting the normative meanings of rabbinic texts, anti-Talmud writers frequently remove passages from their textual and historical contexts. Even when they present their citations accurately, they judge the passages based on contemporary moral standards, ignoring the fact that the majority of these passages were composed close to two thousand years ago by people living in cultures radically different from our own. They are thus able to ignore Judaism's long history of social progress and paint it instead as a primitive and parochial religion.

Those who attack the Talmud frequently cite ancient rabbinic sources without noting subsequent developments in Jewish thought, and without making a good-faith effort to consult with contemporary Jewish authorities who can explain the role of these sources in normative Jewish thought and practice.

Rabbi Gil Student, a prolific author on the internet, refutes anti-Talmud accusations and writes:

Anti-Talmud accusations have a long history dating back to the 13th century when the associates of the Inquisition attempted to defame Jews and their religion [see Yitzchak Baer, A History of Jews in Christian Spain, vol. I pp. 150-185]. The early material compiled by hateful preachers like Raymond Martini and Nicholas Donin remain the basis of all subsequent accusations against the Talmud. Some are true, most are false and based on quotations taken out of context, and some are total fabrications [see Baer, ch. 4 f. 54, 82 that it has been proven that Raymond Martini forged quotations]. On the Internet today we can find many of these old accusations being rehashed...

The Protocols:

The Protocols also became a part of the Nazi propaganda effort to justify persecution of the Jews. It was made required reading for German students. In The Holocaust: The Destruction of European Jewry 1933-1945, Nora Levin states that "Hitler used the Protocols as a manual in his war to exterminate the Jews":

Despite conclusive proof that the Protocols were a gross forgery, they had sensational popularity and large sales in the 1920s and 1930s. They were translated into every language of Europe and sold widely in Arab lands, the United States, and England. But it was in Germany after World War I that they had their greatest success. There they were used to explain all of the disasters that had befallen the country: the defeat in the war, the hunger, the destructive inflation.[29]

Hitler refers to the Protocols in Mein Kampf:

... To what extent the whole existence of this people is based on a continuous lie is shown incomparably by the Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion, so infinitely hated by the Jews. They are based on a forgery, the Frankfurter Zeitung moans and screams once every week: the best proof that they are authentic. [...] the important thing is that with positively terrifying certainty they reveal the nature and activity of the Jewish people and expose their inner contexts as well as their ultimate final aims.

[sunsettommy]

Do you realize that 99 people can be wrong and 1 person can be right? It has happened before a number of times in science.

You should hope that works out to be the case this time because you are in a small minority when you think Osama did it.

Tell me why you think Osama did it.

FOXNEWS.COM HOME > WORLD > NATIONAL

Bin Laden Claims Responsibility for 9/11

Saturday, October 30, 2004

Excerpt:

WASHINGTON — Usama bin Laden (search ) made his first televised appearance in more than a year Friday in which he admitted for the first time ordering the Sept. 11 attacks and accused President Bush of "misleading" the American people.

Snip:

In what appeared to be conciliatory language, bin Laden said he wanted to explain why he ordered the airline hijackings that hit the World Trade Center (search) and the Pentagon so Americans would know how to act to prevent another attack.

"To the American people, my talk is to you about the best way to avoid another Manhattan," he said. "I tell you: Security is an important element of human life and free people do not give up their security."

After the video was aired, President Bush said that "Americans will not be intimidated" by bin Laden. Sen. John Kerry criticized Bush for failing to capture bin Laden earlier and said that "I can run a more effective war on terror

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,137095,00.html

Here is another source.

From the TELEGRAPH,

Bin Laden: Yes, I did it

By David Bamber

(Filed: 11/11/2001)

OSAMA BIN LADEN has for the first time admitted that his al-Qa'eda group carried out the attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon, the Telegraph can reveal.

Snip:

The footage, to which the Telegraph obtained access in the Middle East yesterday, was not made for public release via the al-Jazeera television network used by bin Laden for propaganda purposes in the past. It is believed to be intended as a rallying call to al-Qa'eda members.

In the video, bin Laden says: "The Twin Towers were legitimate targets, they were supporting US economic power. These events were great by all measurement. What was destroyed were not only the towers, but the towers of morale in that country."

The hijackers were "blessed by Allah to destroy America's economic and military landmarks". He freely admits to being behind the attacks: "If avenging the killing of our people is terrorism then history should be a witness that we are terrorists. Yes, we kill their innocents and this is legal religiously and logically."

That was very easy.Tell me that you never looked it up?

See why I can not take you seriously?

[sunsettommy]

HUMAN EVENTS

Online

Did George W. Bush Kill JFK?

by Mac Johnson

Posted Nov 21, 2006

Snip:

But events since then have convinced me that Oswald could have confessed, wrote a book called “I Did It!” and presented film of himself actually pulling the trigger on international television and it would have made very little difference to those who peddle and purchase conspiracy pulp like so much mental junk food. What the JFK conspiracy culture really owes its existence to is an innate human will to believe in conspiracies. September 11 convinced me of that—or, more specifically, the conspiracy theories that have grown up around September 11.

None of the 9/11 hijackers claimed to be “patsies.” There is no dispute over their desire to commit the act, for which they planned and trained for years. Many left wills and martyrdom statements. The leaders of the organization to which they belonged, including Osama Bin Laden, have admitted on video that al Qaeda planned and executed the attacks. Victims on the planes made cell phone calls describing the hijackings in real time. The impacts of the two of the hijacked planes were caught on numerous videotapes, and witnessed by thousands in person. Yet hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Americans believe that the attacks were perpetrated by … George W. Bush.

To these people, the terrorists are fictional, the planes were drones, the twin towers were collapsed in a controlled implosion, and the CIA planned it all, as did Halliburton—all to create a war for oil in Afghanistan which has no oil, so that George W. Bush could use the war as an excuse to end democracy and remain in power forever by invading Iraq and thus controlling the outcome of the elections that the GOP just lost in a landslide.

Well, that’s the American nut version.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18153

[Who's Doing What?]

I don't fully believe either side.

The conspiracies tend to go overboard and ignore several pieces of information.

On the other hand, if you actually look into all the relationships and interconnections betwen all the players in 9/11, and subsequent aftermath, it stinks. Bad.

I haven't seen any info to say the Bush/Cheney govt had anything to do with plannig or carrying out 9/11, but they sure as hell exploited it for their own gains after it happened.

Ofcourse if you have never looked into the whole Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-CIA-Pentagon-Haliburton-Brown & Root-Texas Politics spider-web, you may trust these men alot more than I do.