M.Dancer Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 there you go dancer: http://gauntlet.ucalgary.ca/story/2613 So I was correct. You can't find a source that confirms you make believe story... If you need reminding.... I have a few buddies who I know hit the club scene in Cowtown, and they've told me how this one club got shut down once because it wouldn't tolerate "hip hop" regalia: i.e. oversized T-shirts and basketball jerseys, baggy shorts and jeans, caps etc... some Alberta Human Rights commission had a fit and said that such dress codes were put up ONLY to keep blacks out... Marie Riddle, Director of the Alberta Human Rights and Citizenship Commission, explained that the outcome of the complaints couldn't be predicted. The story isn't about hip hop....it isn't about keeping blacks out and the story doesn't have the HRC making a pronoucment. Is being full of shit a full time occupation for you? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 ...Our friend made it appear as if this was a recent phenomenon... Really!?! But sometimes in the past, barriers have been put up by the authorities to deprive minorities of "rights". And in hindsight, i'm not so sure how not restricting the right to vote to persons actually capable of reading and speaking coherent discourse is such a "crime" and affront to democracy... I guess given your inability to perform basic reading comprehension you wouldn't be able to vote. I suppose you agree with the current state of affairs now, where even the mentally ill and retarded are permitted the vote... Yes, in the States, if you're suffering from some form of mental insanity, you can be unstrapped from your straight jacket long enough to strike a check on a presidential candiadate... And people with downs are "undiscriminated" against... Sounds like your just jealous that a down syndrome adult has civic rights while most of the supporters of your political leaning are deprived of their vote. The simple reason for that is down syndrome adults aren't a cancer on society while white supremacist are. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
lictor616 Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 (edited) So I was correct. You can't find a source that confirms you make believe story...If you need reminding.... The story isn't about hip hop....it isn't about keeping blacks out and the story doesn't have the HRC making a pronoucment. Is being full of shit a full time occupation for you? Dancer, could you tone down the vehemence a bit... you sound pretty irrationally frustrated, calm down or for your own sake stay silent. I was talking about some anecdotal evidence. I'm trying to track down the story, and in the mean time fed you a story which is essentially the same: A HRC deciding it can override the law to placate some minorities... The bottom line is that private clubs are revenue generating places of business... Owners give themsleves the right to gain admission to WHOEVER THEY DESIRE ... FOR WHAT EVER REASON. They can shut you out for being too fat if your a girl (i've seen it happen recently in montreal)... but the bottom line is the doormen will scan the line and make their decisions on 3 things: 1/will they spend money 2/ will they be violent 3/ will they bring drugs. unfortunately (as much as you will deny this as crazed KKK conspiracy- as disconnected from the real *non-liberal* world you seem to be) but minorities, in particular blacks, are pretty much disasters for a club for all those reasons... anyone who is a regular in clubs will tell you the same. Edited July 7, 2009 by lictor616 Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
M.Dancer Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 Dancer, could you tone down the vehemence a bit... you sound pretty irrationally frustrated, calm down or for your own sake stay silent. I wouldn't put a lot of store in your reading comprehension ability....I would guess you find sandra boynton frustrated..... some Alberta Human Rights commission had a fit and said that such dress codes were put up ONLY to keep blacks out... Just trying to keep your fiction straight.... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
lictor616 Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 I wouldn't put a lot of store in your reading comprehension ability....I would guess you find sandra boynton frustrated.....Just trying to keep your fiction straight.... Well, okay you've already said twice that I'm illiterate... i'm sure you can move on to newer and fresher ad hominem abusives... or else its crambe repitita. My fiction? Did and HRC intervene in the private affairs of a club or didn't it? Answer: it did. I'll try scanning the net for the particular bit on hip hop clothes... but lets be reasonable here. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
M.Dancer Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 My fiction? Did and HRC intervene in the private affairs of a club or didn't it? Answer: it did. I'll try scanning the net for the particular bit on hip hop clothes... but lets be reasonable here. Your fiction. Your story and the unrelated item are different. Did the HRC intervene? The jury is out. They were asked to intervene that is a fact. Did they......??? Marie Riddle, Director of the Alberta Human Rights and Citizenship Commission, explained that the outcome of the complaints couldn't be predicted. Generaly writers oif fiction keep a "green" book to keep their fictions straight. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
rabidgoose Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 I wouldn't put a lot of store in your reading comprehension ability....I would guess you find sandra boynton frustrated..... Dancer - seconded on their reading comprehension ability. "Literacy tests" were used until the 1960's in many southern states, which rather than being some 100 years ago is actually less than 50 years. So, lictor fails basic mathematics as well it seems. And don't even get me started on the poll tax - legal until 1964 in the States. Here you go, lictor, since you seem unable to find very basic information on the web (perhaps you are too busy tracking down obscure, provocative and highly suspect anecdotes?): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poll_taxes Our forefathers used them in the time of the British Empire as well. Quote
lictor616 Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 Dancer - seconded on their reading comprehension ability. "Literacy tests" were used until the 1960's in many southern states, which rather than being some 100 years ago is actually less than 50 years. So, lictor fails basic mathematics as well it seems.And don't even get me started on the poll tax - legal until 1964 in the States. Here you go, lictor, since you seem unable to find very basic information on the web (perhaps you are too busy tracking down obscure, provocative and highly suspect anecdotes?): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poll_taxes Our forefathers used them in the time of the British Empire as well. Literacy tests are color coded? What about all those white hillbillies in Appalachia that would have been denied the vote then? Ah yeah no one cares about them... But anyhow, again this has no relationship with private bar owners wanting to retain control over their clientèle. In retrospect though, I don't think having franchise on votes is such a bad thing... the notion that any creature that can stand on two legs has some divine right to a vote so that it can sell that vote to the highest bidder is pretty self destructive and actually anti-democratic. There should be checks on voter eligibility. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
M.Dancer Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 Literacy tests are color coded? What about all those white hillbillies in Appalachia that would have been denied the vote then? Ah yeah no one cares about them... You really do have a hard time understanding what you read, don't you. Or perhaps you don't bother to read if it ain't on a wing nut skin head site... here I will help you and don't be afraid to move yoiur lips while you sound out the words.... Such disfranchising laws included poll taxes, literacy tests, vouchers of "good character," and disqualification for "crimes of moral turpitude." These laws were "color-blind" on their face, but were designed to exclude black citizens disproportionately by allowing white election officials to apply the procedures selectively. http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting/intro/intro_a.php Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 In retrospect though, I don't think having franchise on votes is such a bad thing... the notion that any creature that can stand on two legs has some divine right to a vote so that it can sell that vote to the highest bidder is pretty self destructive and actually anti-democratic. There should be checks on voter eligibility. Yes but in your own opinion, being functionally illiterate and dishonest renders your opinion as worthless . Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
rabidgoose Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 Literacy tests are color coded? What about all those white hillbillies in Appalachia that would have been denied the vote then? Ah yeah no one cares about them... But anyhow, again this has no relationship with private bar owners wanting to retain control over their clientèle. In retrospect though, I don't think having franchise on votes is such a bad thing... the notion that any creature that can stand on two legs has some divine right to a vote so that it can sell that vote to the highest bidder is pretty self destructive and actually anti-democratic. There should be checks on voter eligibility. Are you yourself retarded? Or somehow differently abled? Seriously, you drop an ad hominem attack of your own after accusing others of doing that, then try the old "But anyhow..." bit to attempt a repudiation of what was said earlier. You keep trying to drag us back to this one anecdotal piece of flotsam and jetsam that drifted somewhere on the web up to your sad level of consciousness. Give it up. Nobody cares. Quote
lictor616 Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 Are you yourself retarded? Or somehow differently abled? Seriously, you drop an ad hominem attack of your own after accusing others of doing that, then try the old "But anyhow..." bit to attempt a repudiation of what was said earlier. You keep trying to drag us back to this one anecdotal piece of flotsam and jetsam that drifted somewhere on the web up to your sad level of consciousness. Give it up. Nobody cares. ? My statement about the rights of private club owners is "anecdotal"? And where was my ad hominem attack? Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
rabidgoose Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 ? My statement about the rights of private club owners is "anecdotal"? And where was my ad hominem attack? Yes it is anecdotal. You hang your case on an isolated incident which only readers of right-wing yak-fests have ever heard of. Ergo it is anecdotal. The ad hominem attacks are all over your posts, the latest came when you talked about white Appalachians. Perhaps you should avoid using big words and latin phrases that you do not understand. Or we could just go back to revisiting how you had never heard of such a thing as a literacy test or poll tax. There is abundant information available about those. Care for a googlefight? Quote
M.Dancer Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 ? My statement about the rights of private club owners is "anecdotal"? I have a few buddies who I know hit the club scene in Cowtown, and they've told me how this one club got shut down once because it wouldn't tolerate "hip hop" regalia: i.e. oversized T-shirts and basketball jerseys, baggy shorts and jeans, caps etc... some Alberta Human Rights commission had a fit and said that such dress codes were put up ONLY to keep blacks out... The victim mentality is so deep and inveterate in some of our minorities that they inevitably see demons where there are none... If by anecdotal you mean bullshit.... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
rabidgoose Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 If by anecdotal you mean bullshit.... and if by buddies he means paid sex partners. Quote
lictor616 Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 (edited) Yes it is anecdotal. You hang your case on an isolated incident which only readers of right-wing yak-fests have ever heard of. Ergo it is anecdotal.The ad hominem attacks are all over your posts, the latest came when you talked about white Appalachians. Perhaps you should avoid using big words and latin phrases that you do not understand. Or we could just go back to revisiting how you had never heard of such a thing as a literacy test or poll tax. There is abundant information available about those. Care for a googlefight? No, I didn't hang my case on that piece of anecdotal evidence.. CLUB OWNERS CAN AND DO have the right to prevent entry into their establishment to whoever they want! That's not anecdotal... its what's actually legal. My use of the word "hillbilly" was not an ad hominem by any stretch of the imagination: i wasn't ATTACKING YOU by calling Appalachians in the olden days "HILLBILLIES". And I wasn't using the term as it is frequently used by people to the left, who often call white southerners "hillbillies" to dehumanize them. But used in the context I did: "Hillbilly is a term referring to people who dwell in rural, mountainous areas of the United States, primarily Appalachia and the Ozarks." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillbilly) Hillbilly is somewhat considered offensive to some TODAY. but in the appropriate context, it passes. Edited July 7, 2009 by lictor616 Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
lictor616 Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 and if by buddies he means paid sex partners. wow here you are talking about ad hominems, and you call me gay... dude why get on a personal tangent? I dunno you, you dunno me... lets keep it that way stop with the trash talk. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
rabidgoose Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 But used in the context I did: "Hillbilly is a term referring to people who dwell in rural, mountainous areas of the United States, primarily Appalachia and the Ozarks." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillbilly) Hillbilly is somewhat considered offensive to some TODAY. but in the appropriate context, it passes. Ooooooohhhhh somebody found wikipedia today. That book under the coffeetable, holding up the wobbly leg - you know, the book with all the dust on it - it's not a book about dinosaurs, it's called a thesaurus. Quote
rabidgoose Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 wow here you are talking about ad hominems, and you call me gay... dude why get on a personal tangent? I dunno you, you dunno me... lets keep it that way stop with the trash talk. I never mentioned the gender of said paid sex partners. Homophobic much? Quote
lictor616 Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 I never mentioned the gender of said paid sex partners. Homophobic much? nice try! i said "buddies" Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
JB Globe Posted July 8, 2009 Report Posted July 8, 2009 (edited) No, I didn't hang my case on that piece of anecdotal evidence.. CLUB OWNERS CAN AND DO have the right to prevent entry into their establishment to whoever they want! That's not anecdotal... its what's actually legal. WRONG It is illegal. As stated in this news item on racism at Calgary Bars which I posted earlier, in Canada owners of establishments CANNOT prevent entry to, or deny service to someone based on race. To do so is illegal. Please stop peeing on our feet and telling us it's raining. . . . The news stories again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plQpLPy1eao http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgHelRCSxQw...feature=related Edited July 8, 2009 by JB Globe Quote
M.Dancer Posted July 8, 2009 Report Posted July 8, 2009 CLUB OWNERS CAN AND DO have the right to prevent entry into their establishment to whoever they want! As stated in this news item on racism at Calgary Bars which I posted earlier, in Canada owners of establishments CANNOT prevent entry to, or deny service to someone based on race. To do so is illegal. Quite right. Lictor is in the habit of telling lies and expecting ecveryone to believe him. Clubs, bars, restaurants, stores etc etc...can deny entry or refuse serviceto patron for numerous reasons...improper attire, drunkeness, under age....belligerence... ...but what the cannot do is to deny service based on race or any other criteria which violates the canadfain charter of rights. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
lictor616 Posted August 1, 2009 Report Posted August 1, 2009 WRONG It is illegal.As stated in this news item on racism at Calgary Bars which I posted earlier, in Canada owners of establishments CANNOT prevent entry to, or deny service to someone based on race. To do so is illegal. Please stop peeing on our feet and telling us it's raining. . . . The news stories again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plQpLPy1eao http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgHelRCSxQw...feature=related the law says NOTHING about denying entry for OTHER reasons... As a club owner you can return somebody for the color of his polo if you want... you even have the right to eject someone on SUSPICION ALONE. The owners didn't kick people out saying... " NO NON-WHITES HERE" ! The owners cited other reasons... which are of course legal... And incidentally in many provinces you can refuse to be served by a waitress because of race. You can legally get into a private restaurant, look a black waitress in the eyes and say- "I refuse to be served by a black woman" Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
CANADIEN Posted August 3, 2009 Report Posted August 3, 2009 (edited) the law says NOTHING about denying entry for OTHER reasons... As a club owner you can return somebody for the color of his polo if you want... you even have the right to eject someone on SUSPICION ALONE. The owners didn't kick people out saying... " NO NON-WHITES HERE" ! The owners cited other reasons... which are of course legal... Of course... until it can be proven they are false excuse. And incidentally in many provinces you can refuse to be served by a waitress because of race. You can legally get into a private restaurant, look a black waitress in the eyes and say- "I refuse to be served by a black woman" And the owner can then ask the client to leave. Edited August 3, 2009 by CANADIEN Quote
lictor616 Posted August 24, 2009 Report Posted August 24, 2009 Of course... until it can be proven they are false excuse.And the owner can then ask the client to leave. oh I see guilty until proven innocent type deal eh? These insane anti-discrimination laws are so ridiculous and dangerous... they aim to outlaw things in theory, and then expect the courts to authorise them on a case-by-case basis. So not hiring a black person for a job is illegal... yet not hiring a white person isn't... and you leave it up to the judges (who are appointed not elected) and who are controlled by political prostitutes to tell us what is discrimination and what isn't... this is APPALLING jurisprudence. When people speak of equality (well it used to be before liberals became fanatically anti-white and anti-western) they generally mean that people should be treated THE SAME WAY. It had to do with repealing laws or statutes that PREVENTED or barred certain minority groups and women from certain opportunities. But in canada, our anti-discrimination laws are DISCRIMINATORY THEMSELVES! They're all about treating people differently. They recognise identified groups as belonging to separate legal categories, and thus violates the concept of equality under the law. But don't expect lefties and "Canadiens" to get it though... they are locked into their current crusade against civilization anyways. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
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