Are the bloodthirsty Israelies out of control?

[mr_scary]

The Israeli response is clearly not in proportion to the few of its killed or captured people by the Hezbollah two weeks ago. What is really going on in the heads of the current government of Israel? Today their military had knocked out another building full of innocent Lebanese citizens (60; about a third being children). The United States is a known Israeli lapdog. And Canada, under Harper, is now a committed lapdog of the U.S. That makes us a lapdog of a lapdog. Pathetic. On another front, Israel is running out of missiles and has ordered massive shipments from the U.S. who, in turn, gladly sends them over. All the while, Secretary of State Rice is trying to broker a ceasefire. Does this make sense to anyone here?

[jbg]

The Israeli response is clearly not in proportion to the few of its killed or captured people by the Hezbollah two weeks ago. What is really going on in the heads of the current government of Israel? Today their military had knocked out another building full of innocent Lebanese citizens (60; about a third being children). The United States is a known Israeli lapdog. And Canada, under Harper, is now a committed lapdog of the U.S. That makes us a lapdog of a lapdog. Pathetic. On another front, Israel is running out of missiles and has ordered massive shipments from the U.S. who, in turn, gladly sends them over. All the while, Secretary of State Rice is trying to broker a ceasefire. Does this make sense to anyone here?

Why do you, or anyone, side with the people that want you dead? You're not exempt from their wrath because, jeeze, you're a nice Canadian.

Come on. Give your head a shake.

[mr_scary]

Why do you, or anyone, side with the people that want you dead? You're not exempt from their wrath because, jeeze, you're a nice Canadian.

Come on. Give your head a shake.

Who wants me dead? You're just a wee bit paranoid ain't ya?

I don't think the Hezbollah wants to hurt me. They want to defend themselves from an overzealous and bloodthirsty regime. Funny how the "terrorist" is now the one trying to defend their country. That's a bit of a stretch.

The "terrorist" spin is being used by an increasing number of countries to justify despicable acts. Didn't you know?

[jbg]

Who wants me dead? You're just a wee bit paranoid ain't ya?

I don't think the Hezbollah wants to hurt me. They want to defend themselves from an overzealous and bloodthirsty regime. Funny how the "terrorist" is now the one trying to defend their country. That's a bit of a stretch.

The "terrorist" spin is being used by an increasing number of countries to justify despicable acts. Didn't you know?

I wouldn't call a pizza parlor attack, attack on a synagogue, or 911 particularly targeted as to the victims.

[WillyNilly]

Thats the problem with being American, sooner or later the constant brainwashing gets to you. You think everyone wants you dead. Maybe the rest of the world just wants the US to stop being the bully and a terrorist. In my opinion the US is a terrorist country threatening everyone in the world who doesn't agree with their Christian White Right viewpoint.

It started with Bush but too many others have caught this terrorist disease from him, like a collective insanity. WHEN has Hezbullah ever made an attack on the US? Unless you count Israel as just another US state, and given the money and weapons that have been poured into that country its not a ridiculous notion.

Hezbullah doesnt have an Air Force or ships, so to say they could and would attack the US is a tad over the top.

[GostHacked]

Plenty of other threads covering this thing in The Rest of the World

[jbg]

Thats the problem with being American, sooner or later the constant brainwashing gets to you. You think everyone wants you dead. Maybe the rest of the world just wants the US to stop being the bully and a terrorist. In my opinion the US is a terrorist country threatening everyone in the world who doesn't agree with their Christian White Right viewpoint.

A better interpretation would be that the US, UK, Israel, Australia et. ano. are democracies doing their level best to protect their people and a standard of living built by their people over generations. People forget that historically the desert raiders have gotten what they have by grabbing what they could from travellers and traders needing to pass through areas they control. The transition to modern "terrorism" from Barbary Coast piracy is not a long one.

It started with Bush but too many others have caught this terrorist disease from him, like a collective insanity. WHEN has Hezbullah ever made an attack on the US? Unless you count Israel as just another US state, and given the money and weapons that have been poured into that country its not a ridiculous notion.

Hezbullah doesnt have an Air Force or ships, so to say they could and would attack the US is a tad over the top.

Why do you accept their more or less arbitrary carve-ups into meaningless secret groups. Other similar groups have attacked the US, and the Hezbollah people danced in the street on September 11.

[mikedavid00]

The Israeli response is clearly not in proportion to the few of its killed or captured people by the Hezbollah two weeks ago. What is really going on in the heads of the current government of Israel? Today their military had knocked out another building full of innocent Lebanese citizens (60; about a third being children). The United States is a known Israeli lapdog. And Canada, under Harper, is now a committed lapdog of the U.S. That makes us a lapdog of a lapdog. Pathetic. On another front, Israel is running out of missiles and has ordered massive shipments from the U.S. who, in turn, gladly sends them over. All the while, Secretary of State Rice is trying to broker a ceasefire. Does this make sense to anyone here?

yeah it's all a consipricy.

I have an idea, lets let all of Hezbollah into Canada and seek refuge here and all boycott the Zionist Isreal like CUPE.

We can recognize thier creditialls and setup a status quou so they get jobs before Canadians.

We can also make sure that they get seats in our Parliment.

Then we can really take sides with Hezbollah and get those Zionists!

[watching&waiting]

Why would you need to ask if Israel is out of control? They had several acts committed upon their nation that were Acts Of War, done to them by the Lebanese government, mostly by their unwillingness to even try and stop these acts. So why would it be any surprise that war was declared upon the Lebanese government and its people. Now yes it would be real nice if war could be made real nice where only the the soldiers would face each other and no civillians would get hurt. ut that only happens in a world of make believe. There is no reason for in terference from any outside bodies, as this war was sought out by the Lebanese people, and now they will have to face just what that means.

I guess the Lebanese government thought that they would some how become a rallying point, for other nations to come to their aid, or that the UN would actually have some power over this and put a stop to it. Because it just does not make any sense for starting this war, unless they thought they would stand a chance of winning it. Even they should have seen that the Israelli army was way more powerful then their own.

I think the offer to stop the bombing so innocent people can leave, is a good thing for Israel. They alos have dropped warning pamphlets telling people to leave areas because terrorists were embedded within their neighbourhoods. These people should have left or forced out the terrorists. It is that simple. So for them to cry foul over this is falling on deaf ears as far as I am concerned.

Now do not get me wrong I do think the Israeli forces can go too far in this, but my view of too far has not been reached yet. It can all end today if the Lebanese people and government want to surrender unconditionally to the Israeli forces. That would only leave the extremist to carry on a fight and if they find that they have little or no support left in Lebanon, they will soon flee or die in the attempt. If this was done then it would be Israel who would have to rebuild the infastructure and make it a vibrant place with a working economy. Something Lebanon has not had for at least the last 40 years. I do not see Israel restricting anyones faith within their own borders and I would belive the same would be true if Lebanon was captured by them. I would even think that you would probably even see elections in this. So to me the best way for Lebanon to win in all of this is to capitulate to Israel and let them start spending the money to rebuild it. That would probably do more for keeping Israel reined in, as there would be less money left for building stronger armies.

I would think that the way of life would be much better this way, then it has been in a long long time.

[Guest Warwick Green]

The Israeli response is clearly not in proportion to the few of its killed or captured people by the Hezbollah two weeks ago. What is really going on in the heads of the current government of Israel? Today their military had knocked out another building full of innocent Lebanese citizens (60; about a third being children). The United States is a known Israeli lapdog. And Canada, under Harper, is now a committed lapdog of the U.S. That makes us a lapdog of a lapdog. Pathetic. On another front, Israel is running out of missiles and has ordered massive shipments from the U.S. who, in turn, gladly sends them over. All the while, Secretary of State Rice is trying to broker a ceasefire. Does this make sense to anyone here?

A cease fire without a de-fanged Hezbolla is of little value. What country is going to send troops into a buffer zone when their troops could be constantly attacked by terrorists? We all know what happened 25 years ago.

[Guest Warwick Green]

It started with Bush but too many others have caught this terrorist disease from him, like a collective insanity. WHEN has Hezbullah ever made an attack on the US? Unless you count Israel as just another US state, and given the money and weapons that have been poured into that country its not a ridiculous notion.

Hezbullah doesnt have an Air Force or ships, so to say they could and would attack the US is a tad over the top.

Why do you accept their more or less arbitrary carve-ups into meaningless secret groups. Other similar groups have attacked the US, and the Hezbollah people danced in the street on September 11.

There is little to come out a war that it is light-hearted but I read of an Imam who lives in London and who is trapped in Southern Lebanon. The UK government refuses to transport him to the UK because of his anti-Semitic and anti-Brit rants. Good for Tony Blair!

I saw in a British paper a comment that only two countires support Israel - the US, and the UK. That shows how much profile Canada has.

[Argus]

The Israeli response is clearly not in proportion to the few of its killed or captured people by the Hezbollah two weeks ago.

And who ever said it was supposed to be? Under what rule do I find instructions stating that when being attacked by terrorist groups one must only respond in a "proportionate" manner which is not unduly unfair or difficult for the terrorists to cope with?

The United States is a known Israeli lapdog. And Canada, under Harper, is now a committed lapdog of the U.S. That makes us a lapdog of a lapdog. Pathetic.

The foregoing was indeed a pathetic statement.

On another front, Israel is running out of missiles and has ordered massive shipments from the U.S. who, in turn, gladly sends them over. All the while, Secretary of State Rice is trying to broker a ceasefire. Does this make sense to anyone here?

Yup. I don't have a problem with resupplying democratic allies fighting islamofacist groups in times of war.

[Argus]

I don't think the Hezbollah wants to hurt me. They want to defend themselves from an overzealous and bloodthirsty regime.

Which they have repeatedly provoked by firing rockets and missiles at and attacking and killing and kidnapping its citizens. But apparently you don't want to get into that.

Funny how the "terrorist" is now the one trying to defend their country. That's a bit of a stretch.

Yes, believing that would be a bit of a stretch - a lot of a stretch, actually. Hezbollah is a terrorist group which wants to impose an islamofascist regime on the entire Arab world, starting with Lebanon and Israel.

The "terrorist" spin is being used by an increasing number of countries to justify despicable acts. Didn't you know?

It's being used to combat people who commit despicable acts. Didn't you know?

[cybercoma]

Thats the problem with being American, sooner or later the constant brainwashing gets to you. You think everyone wants you dead. Maybe the rest of the world just wants the US to stop being the bully and a terrorist. In my opinion the US is a terrorist country threatening everyone in the world who doesn't agree with their Christian White Right viewpoint.

It started with Bush but too many others have caught this terrorist disease from him, like a collective insanity. WHEN has Hezbullah ever made an attack on the US? Unless you count Israel as just another US state, and given the money and weapons that have been poured into that country its not a ridiculous notion.

Hezbullah doesnt have an Air Force or ships, so to say they could and would attack the US is a tad over the top.

Actually, it started with Reagan, but thanks for coming out.

And perhaps you should learn what allies do for each other. Who would protect Canada if we were attacked by terrorists....the same country that's backing Israel, that's who.

[mr_scary]

yeah it's all a consipricy.

I have an idea, lets let all of Hezbollah into Canada and seek refuge here and all boycott the Zionist Isreal like CUPE.

We can recognize thier creditialls and setup a status quou so they get jobs before Canadians.

We can also make sure that they get seats in our Parliment.

Then we can really take sides with Hezbollah and get those Zionists!

Very cute remarks. Hah, hah.

[Argus]

Thats the problem with being American, sooner or later the constant brainwashing gets to you. You think everyone wants you dead. Maybe the rest of the world just wants the US to stop being the bully and a terrorist

We can best judge the veracity of this by examining those who are most hostile to the Americans: Islamic facists who want the rule run by a rigid interpretation of Sharia law, and their methods - indiscriminate and wholesale slaughter and butchery of innocent civilians, and widespread hatemongering.

These are your side.

I'll take the Americans on mine, thanks.

I my opinion the US is a terrorist country threatening everyone in the world who doesn't agree with their Christian White Right viewpoint.

How odd, then, that they are a hyperpower who could destroy anyone, and yet, have made NO efforts at forcing anyone to agree with them or to follow their "Christian White Right" viewpoint. But then, I'm just going on what's happening in this universe. Doubtless, you're speaking about another.

It started with Bush but too many others have caught this terrorist disease from him, like a collective insanity.

I like this Orwellian doublespeak, where white is black and black is white, and those who fight terrorists are terrorists while those who actually ARE terrorists are merely freedom fighters defending the people.

What kind of a mind can wrap itself around that kind of idiocy?

[Jerry J. Fortin]

A mind that was schooled in hatred and fear. The individual may well be found to be logically challenged.

[Figleaf]

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[jbg]

Now do not get me wrong I do think the Israeli forces can go too far in this, but my view of too far has not been reached yet. It can all end today if the Lebanese people and government want to surrender unconditionally to the Israeli forces.

I once believed that. A cursory study of Mideast history in Biblical times demonstrates that the Israelis have always been playing tag with, at varying times, the Sodomites, Amalkites, Jebusites, Philistines, Canaanites, Egyptians, Babylonians, Persians, Assyrians, Romans, Greeks, Muslims, Ottomans and the British.

The latter tried to be "understanding" of the feeling of the "indigenous" people and gave Transjordan to them. Were they satisfied? Did creating Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates out of the defunct Ottoman Empire satisfy them? Will giving them an independent "Palestine"out of the so-called "Occupied Territories" satisfy them? Highly unlikely. If the Arabs push the Jews into the sea, what's next? Each other? Europe?

Do they have any plans for the economic development of these areas? Doubtful.

This problem must be solved, with extreme prejudice.

[mikedavid00]

yeah it's all a consipricy.

I have an idea, lets let all of Hezbollah into Canada and seek refuge here and all boycott the Zionist Isreal like CUPE.

We can recognize thier creditialls and setup a status quou so they get jobs before Canadians.

We can also make sure that they get seats in our Parliment.

Then we can really take sides with Hezbollah and get those Zionists!

Very cute remarks. Hah, hah.

By the way, are you Muslim?

Keep in mind that you are turning on your faith of you deny that you are.

[cybercoma]

And who ever said it was supposed to be? Under what rule do I find instructions stating that when being attacked by terrorist groups one must only respond in a "proportionate" manner which is not unduly unfair or difficult for the terrorists to cope with?

FYI ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_war

A review of this material will suggest that there have been numerous violations by 'both' sides of this conflict.

Terrorists are not bound by these laws, they're nothing more than murderers.

To quote the page...

It is worth noting that these laws are applicable only to nations which approve and consent to bind to them, usually in the form of international organizations or diplomacy.

Hezbollah....not a nation. Lebanon has not controlled the terrorists within its own borders, so Israel is doing them a favour.

[Figleaf]

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[Rue]

The Israeli response is clearly not in proportion to the few of its killed or captured people by the Hezbollah two weeks ago. What is really going on in the heads of the current government of Israel? Today their military had knocked out another building full of innocent Lebanese citizens (60; about a third being children). The United States is a known Israeli lapdog. And Canada, under Harper, is now a committed lapdog of the U.S. That makes us a lapdog of a lapdog. Pathetic. On another front, Israel is running out of missiles and has ordered massive shipments from the U.S. who, in turn, gladly sends them over. All the while, Secretary of State Rice is trying to broker a ceasefire. Does this make sense to anyone here?

Your analysis is completely one sided and bias. You clearly have made up your mind there is a good guy and a bad guy and choose to define it as a simple good v. evil situation with a top dog and an under dog.

Are you completely unable to read or ignorant which one is it when you ask a question such as does this make any sense to anyone. To those of us who have lived through terrorist attacks and watched people die because of terrorists...to those who live in cities where they are being attacked with missiles and are less then fifteen minutes from people who openly state they want to wipe them all out, it makes perfect sense. For you living in a comfortable, sheltered country never living through terrorist attacks or knowing what it is like to have to survive of course it doesn't make sense. Perhaps we need to terrorize your family before it ever will.

As for your sweeping statement that Israel's retaliation is not in proportion, what would be in proportion? See you make me laugh when you make comments like that because I know for a fact if someone shot at you with a gun and then hid behind someone, and kept shooting you would panic and wet your pants and die-but guess what Israelis don't pee their pants...they can't afford to...they are fighting to exist...what you see as not proportional is because you have never been shot at and don't know what one does to stay alive.

Israel has a moral responsibility to its people to keep them alive-that is what they are doing. Your problem is that you conveniently overlook that civilians die because Hezbollah chooses to place them directly in theline of fire. You are mixing that fact up with the concept of self-defence. If you knew anything about response strikes and read up, you would know although 750 have died, many more could have died had Israel not chosen to warn civilians and use restraint. That is what you can't seem to understand-most countries would not have held back and killed only 750. Gee what am I saying. Try this on since you haven't a clue. When Algeria decided to take control back from militants within its country it didn't have arm-chair experts such as yourself lecturing them. They simply exterminated 100,000 people. Now they have no problem. So before you lecture Israel any further, or act all self-righteous...read up and try understand what is going on.

[Rue]

Why do you, or anyone, side with the people that want you dead? You're not exempt from their wrath because, jeeze, you're a nice Canadian.

Come on. Give your head a shake.

Who wants me dead? You're just a wee bit paranoid ain't ya?

I don't think the Hezbollah wants to hurt me. They want to defend themselves from an overzealous and bloodthirsty regime. Funny how the "terrorist" is now the one trying to defend their country. That's a bit of a stretch.

The "terrorist" spin is being used by an increasing number of countries to justify despicable acts. Didn't you know?

This is without a doubt one of the most ignorant responses I have seen in what has otherwise been a challenging series of posts from all sides. " I don't think hezbollah wants to hurt me. They want to defend themselves from an overzealoys and bloodthirsty regime". Then you go on to state the are defending their country.

Let's try use simple words. Hezbollah wants to kill you and every person like yourself precisely because you are Christian. Pretending because you are not Jewish and are Canadian and therefore safe is without a doubt the most stupid thing I have ever heard. Are you that clueless. Please go on the internet and read up about Hezbollah and what they stand for and understand who they kill, when, where and how. Understand what kind of state they believe in. Do you have a clue? They want a Shiite fundamentalist state where Christians and Jews and Sunnis and Druze and anyone who does not think like them killed. Not left alone, killed.

People like you whop try turn terrorists into innocent victims are pathetic. Its a typical psychological defence. Oh they won't hurt me. I am a good person. Time for you to grow up quickly.

As for defending themselves get something straight. Israel was NOT in Lebanon so Hezbollah was NOT defending Lebanon. It came over the proper into Israel and kidnapped two soldiers.

Do you have a clue why Hezbollah did this? Have you a clue that Hezbollah's charter states they want all of Israel eradicated and all Jews world wide exterminated? Do you have a clue that they consider Christians the infidel and consider Hindus pests to be murdered? Have you got a clue?

Now the person Hezbollah wants released in return for the two Israelis is called Mr. Samir Kuntar. Read up about him before you write one more post. This man took a group of terrorists into Israel proper. He went to an Israeli man's house. That Israeli man had to hide his wife and 2 year old daughter in a loft that was not big enough for him and his son who was 4. So he had to choose. So he stood with his son. These terrorists took them to a near-by beach. Then Mr. Kuntar bashed the 4 year old's head in with a rock slowly and smeared his brain matter in the face of his father. Then they urinated and defacated on the father and killed him through slow torture. The wife hiding in her loft kept her mouth over her two year old daughter to prevent her from crying. She suffocated the child to death.

This Mr. Kuntar was caught. He wasn't killed. He was placed in prison. Now the leader of Hezbollah refers to this man as a hero and a freedom fighter and wants him released.

So do me a favour, since you know nothing of the depths of depravity going on in the Middle East, listen to me for one second, I have had brain matter blow up in my face from a bomb. I have seen Palestinian children blow into pieces after being asked to carry explosives.

What you have no clue as to is that once a terrorist kills, the target of those killing never forget. Israel will and can not forget. They aren't some inconvenience that should just go away. Israel is where they went to live in peace after 3,500 years of discrimination by both Christians and Muslims. They have as much a right to live there as Palestinians. They have rights and nothing you can say will take them away. Pretend all you want there is only one side to this but until you travel to Israel and speak to Israelis and understand how they live you are nothing but an ignorant bigot for making generalizations that they are blood thirsty. You are telling people such as this lady who now lives in a nightmare for having survived that she is blood thirsty because she won't leave Israel or commit suicide.

[Figleaf]

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