China domestic animals are raised to be killed for their fur

[Riverwind]

Is there criteria for which country is better than another? Is it dependent on happy the citizens are? The standard of living? Are only democratic countries good? Does that mean Monarchies are also bad? Does Canada and the US have the only "good" countries in the world? Are they the model of the perfect countries?

The human race has been experimenting with social structures for milleniums and it has discover that only a few are able to provide a good quality of life and a stable society for the largest number of people. Capitalism is one those social structures that works and after years of denial, the Communist Party in China has been forced to accept this.

Democracy is the other social structure which is key. Democracy is not perfect and voters don't always pick the best leaders, however, democracy provides a mechanism to peacefully replace the leadership of society. The Communist Party took control of China by killing millions of Chinese people and is now extremely afraid that some other group will do the same to them. This makes the Communist Party paranoid and dangerous. In a democratic system the leaders do not fear the people because they know that they may get kicked out of power for a time but they also know that they can get it back peacefully in the future.

It is ironic that China with its long history of violant civil wars is not willing to adopt a social system that can eliminate the need to kill people in order to get a new government.

[geoffrey]

It is ironic that China with its long history of violant civil wars is not willing to adopt a social system that can eliminate the need to kill people in order to get a new government.

I think the people are willing, but they are so oppressed and crushed by their government that they are unable to unify any force behind the movement. Look what happened to their biggest protest against the dictators...

[Riverwind]

I think the people are willing, but they are so oppressed and crushed by their government that they are unable to unify any force behind the movement. Look what happened to their biggest protest against the dictators...

China is not like Saddam's Iraq where the leaders maintain power by fear alone. The Communist Party has succeeded in convincing a large number of Chinese that they don't need democracy (the two China posters on this thread are good examples).

[Kindred]

The human race has been experimenting with social structures for milleniums and it has discover that only a few are able to provide a good quality of life and a stable society for the largest number of people. Capitalism is one those social structures that works and after years of denial, the Communist Party in China has been forced to accept this.

Who gets to decide whats the best way? Oh yes of course those people living in a country that has the system they think is the best ...........

Tianamen was in 1989 get over it already! I cant believe how narrow minded and STUPID people are - that is NOT the same Government - cant you understand that?

Honestly this is a waste of my time and energy - you dont even want to know what is happening in the world today -you prefer to be ignorant and uneducated.

Are you still going to discos too? I dont care what you say, whether you like China or hate it, but educate yourselves, your smug ignorance is frustrating to me and should be an embarassment to you .

I give up, you cant have an intelligent discussion with such willfully ignorant people - you are so unaware of what is happening in the rest of the world -

Homosexuals were charged, arrested and jailed in Canada in the 1980's for being sexual deviants - I think things have changed since then .......... and not just in Canada, the rest of the world has changed too.

[Kindred]

FYI I am a Canadian who is fed up with the corrupt Government in Canada, the lack of Social Services for the poor and the disabled. The class system and the high price of living here. I am fed up with inadequate medical services and coverage - I am tired of the hypocrisy of Canadians, the willful ignorance and the smug attitude that Canada is perfect - its isnt. I am tired of the ignorance in Canada.

[Riverwind]

Tianamen was in 1989 get over it already! I cant believe how narrow minded and STUPID people are - that is NOT the same Government - cant you understand that?

It _is_ the same gov't as long as the Chinese gov't tries to keep Chinese people ignorant of what happened.

Here is a quote from Wikipedia:

The topic is still a political taboo in mainland China, where any discussion of it is regarded as inappropriate or risqué.[citation needed] The only media coverage takes the Communist Party of China's view: that it was a necessary action to ensure stability. It is common for Chinese, especially younger Chinese who live far from Beijing, to be entirely unaware of the Tiananmen protests.[7] Every year there is a large rally in Hong Kong, where people remember the victims and demand that the CPC's official view be changed.

FYI I am a Canadian who is fed up with the corrupt Government in Canada

Guess what? Thanks to the democratic process the Canadian people were able to peacefully rid themselves of the tired old Liberals. Unfortunately, the Chinese people are stuck with the Communist Party forever (or until they have another violent revolution).

[Live From China]

Capitalism works for whom? I would venture that it doesn't work for thousands of people in Canada and the United States. What about the homeless, the impoverished (a large number of whom are children)? How about the thousands of young people working at minimum-wage jobs? They have been betrayed by capitalism. The buying-more-is-better ethic is being crammed down their throats and pounded into their heads endlessly. Yet, most do not have the resources to pursue this dream. They barely have money to pay their bills and rent and buy food. Many are angry because they can't follow this dream and are made to feel like losers because they can't.

[Riverwind]

Capitalism works for whom? I would venture that it doesn't work for thousands of people in Canada and the United States.

How would these people fare under any other system?

[Kindred]

Better? 5 million people living in extreme poverty in Canada probably wouldnt agree that the system is working well for them.

[Riverwind]

Better? 5 million people living in extreme poverty in Canada probably wouldnt agree that the system is working well for them.

Do you honestly think these people who better off under a communist system were everybody is equally poor? Communism has been proven to not work. If you are going to criticize capitalism then you need to explain what alternative would work better.

[Charles Anthony]

I would venture that it doesn't work for thousands of people in Canada and the United States.

Thank you for educating us! We are so ignorant of our own selves!

We need Chinese government spies to educate ourselves in our own country! We are so stupid without the Chinese government! We can not think for ourselves!

We should close all Canadian schools!

We should learn only from Chinese government professors! They know everything!

We should only go to Chinese government schools!

We can learn everything that we need to know from the Chinese government!

Thank you Chinese government for coming to Canada to educate us! Thank you!

(the two China posters on this thread are good examples).

Do you really think that there are ONLY TWO trolls mascarading behind these characters???

[Kindred]

Are you saying the Conservatives are better? For whom? Certainly not for the women in Canada. Are they going to reinstate funding for Womens programs? For the Womens Secretariat? For Womens Shelters? Give women without criminal records access to Legal Aid for Family Law cases? Subsidize Day Care for parents?

Create a Medical System that specializes in Women's health care and problems? Stop sending our sons and daughters to fight and be killed in a war that is about oil and revenge for an insult to George's daddy?

I believe the Conservative Mandate is a soldier on every doorstep, Bush is King --- and women should be kept at home, barefoot and pregnant ...

[Live From China]

Who knows Riverwind? I think just because capitalism may work for you doesn't mean it would for other people. Further, it doesn't mean these people would automatically fare worse under another system. The thing that scares me is that it is only going to get worse for thousands of young people, the disabled, the unemployed, etc.

[Kindred]

You are right tho Riverwind, China is merging communism with capitalism, which further illustrates what I have been saying, that times they are achanging, in China and all over the world ... you have to admit its an interesting concept -

Lets not forget that BC has government controlled insurance - Government in business isnt a foreign concept here in Canada ...

[Live From China]

Charles Anthony, in another thread you went on at length about how it was important to post comments that engendered intellectual debate. Where is the intellectual content in your last post (which is largely a repeat of one of your previous posts)? It is nothing more than hypocritical paranoid ranting! I know you won't believe me but I am NOT a Chinese national, nor am I spy!

[Kindred]

Thank you for educating us! We are so ignorant of our own selves

Well if you speaking in the singular then for once I can agree with you ...