How would you fix our current problems in Canada?

[mikedavid00]

I didn't leave a 'do nothing' option becasue we all atleast agree there is a problem or we wouldn't be talking about it.

Pakistani's are the 3rd Largest immigrat popluation coming into Canada behind India and then China and are segregating in communities by the 10's of thousands.

Experts say that as long as there's ethnic segregation and internet, then these ideals will be placed in the heavily segregated islamic youth and will continue in the future.

However, I think Candians know that these viewpoints are passed down from the parents or lack of quaility parenting.

Do we just let the policies in place continue, or do we give them money to help raise their new seperatist schools and Mosq's here in Canada.

Below is what is being built with my some of our tax dollars. They need another million to complete the project.

http://www.islamicinstitute.ca/images/construction_003.jpg

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Reading through the website quickly I couldn't help to notice this.. sorry for the off topicness:

Q"I am a sister who lives in Canada. I was wondering if it's permissible for women to go out? Especially, if it's with good Muslim sisters or to an event held by an MSA. If there's nothing wrong with it, how can I explain to my parents that there's nothing wrong with it?"

Q"My question is simple: are Muslims allowed to eat food made by non-Muslims such as Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, etc. Can you please give your answer regarding where the information actually comes from?"

[killjoy]

There are 1 billion Muslims in the world (accounts vary). If simply 1 percent become terrorists we will lose, or it will go nuclear, best-case scenario it will never end.

Terrorism is NOT about terror. The people who are on the receiving end of terrorism, with almost no exceptions, simply become more hardened towards the perpetrators. Terrorism is about attention and media. We all read about IRA terrorism for years, few of us were dumb enough to feel 'terrorised' by it, but it achieved it goal by getting our attention, (even though I feel it failed for the perpetrators).

HAMAS terrorism achieves it's goal by keeping our attention on the region: As long as we're watching them, we're also watching Israel.

Islamic terrorism has added a facet to this strategy. The more terrorist acts there are, the more we harden ourselves towards muslims. The effect is such that 'disenchanted youth' (the Muslim population is bottom heavy - most are young, while the West is top heavy - most are old) feel they have nowhere else to go. It becomes 'easy' to feel that joining this 'movement' will provide the identity and feeling of belonging that pretty much ALL young men share. They need to rebel, but at the same time they need to do so by conforming.

We need to reach out to Muslims not segregate them. They are some of the ONLY effective ammunition in this war for either side.

BTW - I didnt vote for the poll because it was way too limited.

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[Riverwind]

I didn't leave a 'do nothing' option because we all at least agree there is a problem or we wouldn't be talking about it.

I don't see what the problem is. It is clear there were a bunch of clowns planning to blow up some buildings. It also appears that our police already have what they need to keep watch on these groups and shut them down before they do any damage. Yes it is possible a future group may be able to do some damage before the police catch up with them but I don't think pulling out of Afghanistan or withdrawing support for Israel will change anything.

Banning further immigration from Muslim countries won't changing anything either - the proverbial horse has already left the barn on that one.

What we could do is reach out to Muslim groups that unequivably condemn these acts of terrorism. I don't think the CIC qualifies as one of those. They tend to justify and rationalize.

[mikedavid00]

I didn't leave a 'do nothing' option because we all at least agree there is a problem or we wouldn't be talking about it.

I don't see what the problem is. It is clear there were a bunch of clowns planning to blow up some buildings. It also appears that our police already have what they need to keep watch on these groups and shut them down before they do any damage. Yes it is possible a future group may be able to do some damage before the police catch up with them but I don't think pulling out of Afghanistan or withdrawing support for Israel will change anything.

Banning further immigration from Muslim countries won't changing anything either - the proverbial horse has already left the barn on that one.

What we could do is reach out to Muslim groups that unequivably condemn these acts of terrorism. I don't think the CIC qualifies as one of those. They tend to justify and rationalize.

Reaching out means giving money to their loby groups. This won't solve anything.

I guess both of you don't live here and see people walking around in they're beards and pajamas.

There is no interest at all to integrate with us on their part. They simply don't care to.

This one canadian born teacher called up the radio station where he said he teaches at a prodominatly muslim school (must be my neighbourhood) and he said that time and time again the parents say 'I don't want to loose my child to the west'.

This attitude gets passed down, the kids get involved in their relegion and find that a good part of it is very very violent. They then blame all their problems on the whites and begin to fixate on Isreal. Then they do stupid stuff like what they did. I know why it happens and I'm telling you the only way to fix it is preventative medicine: keep them out!

They are not entitled to be here! Have you forgot that? This is a PRIVATE, EXCLUSIVE country for us. Just like Japan belongs to the Japenese. We are not allowed to just walse in there countries.. it's not our right.

So why do so many people think that people are just entitled to come here? They only come here because it's the only place that will let them in (and possibly the UK and now growing Australia) but we are still the easiest to get into. Everyone knows this over there.

Why do so many here feel no entitlement to their own country Canada????????

What happened to you?

You have a right to denounce whoever you want coming here. It's YOUR country. Yes yours MORE than theirs. And if you danounce them or anyone else, even our gov't, more power to you! It's YOUR country!

[killjoy]

They are not entitled to be here! Have you forgot that? This is a PRIVATE, EXCLUSIVE country for us. Just like Japan belongs to the Japenese. We are not allowed to just walse in there countries.. it's not our right.

Mmmmn no. Not 'just like the Japanese'. The Japanese have been there forever. We took this land from others hardly more than 200 years ago.

If you're going to fight them you have two choices:

1: Fight some of them.

2: Fight all of them.

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[Riverwind]

I guess both of you don't live here and see people walking around in they're beards and pajamas.

No more disturbing than the mall rats with bizarre body part piercings.

The world is a diverse place - get over it. Canada attempts to deal with this diversity in a peaceful and civilized way. Learning to live and let live is a good thing.

[mikedavid00]

I guess both of you don't live here and see people walking around in they're beards and pajamas.

No more disturbing than the mall rats with bizarre body part piercings.

The world is a diverse place - get over it. Canada attempts to deal with this diversity in a peaceful and civilized way. Learning to live and let live is a good thing.

YOu have your head in the sand and don't really udnerstand our economy and immigration policy.

I guess we should just open our borders and let everyeon in. It's their right I guess and the world is a magic utopia of poeple who love one another and money falls form the sky.

[Shakeyhands]

I guess both of you don't live here and see people walking around in they're beards and pajamas.

No more disturbing than the mall rats with bizarre body part piercings.

The world is a diverse place - get over it. Canada attempts to deal with this diversity in a peaceful and civilized way. Learning to live and let live is a good thing.

YOu have your head in the sand and don't really udnerstand our economy and immigration policy.

I guess we should just open our borders and let everyeon in. It's their right I guess and the world is a magic utopia of poeple who love one another and money falls form the sky.

Ummm... grade 8 or 9? Welcome to Maple Leaf Web.

[Rue]

Well if you denounce Israel can you at least spell it write er right.

[mikedavid00]

Well if you denounce Israel can you at least spell it write er right.

That's the whole point though - i dont CARE about Isreal!! I'm tired of it being a part of life!

I'll never forget sitting at work and this 24 Serial muslim immigrant looking at me with his glazed eyes saying 'we just want our land back'.

I coudln't beleive it. I felt like saying to him - look buddy, you have been here for 7 years, speak english, were lucky enough to get this job, have just got 2 free surgeys from a system you never paid into, enjoy ncie clean toilets, and ALL YOU F'ING TALK ABOUT IS IRAN/BUSH/ISREAL AND READ YOUR DAMN ARABIC FONT NEWS SITES!

Actually once he called Canadians 'foriegners'. No lie!! That was halarious.

But that's no suprise because his whole time here he's done nothing but segregate himself into his community and only speaks English maybe... 12% of the day.

[crazymf]

Out here in Alberta, we still call them Pakies. They're a little different, but what the hey, aren't we all.

You should have labelled this thread starting with 'Ontario's Problems.'

[mikedavid00]

Out here in Alberta, we still call them Pakies. They're a little different, but what the hey, aren't we all.

You should have labelled this thread starting with 'Ontario's Problems.'

What are you talking about? Immigants are flocking to Alberta and taking your jobs. Alberta's job market demands high credentials for jobs that *you* could be doing (unless you are employed to your satisfaction which 70% of Canadians feel they are not).

Alberta is in an infancy stage - they don't know how to hire employees. They feel because 'Pakies' come in with 2 degrees and high GPA's, they will somehow be a better, more creative and valuable employee than a home grown Albertan.

Oh the silliness.

"Oooh Tracy look at him, he has 2 degrees! One from Islamabad, one from UofT, and he has a 3.8 grade average! Let's hire him!'

Then he comes to work and has issues communicating to employees and continously mississ the whole point of projects and produces extrememly poor work. People begin just to give him the 'dog work'. He sends money back home and brags that he's some high paid engineer in Alberta and tries to get his friends employed from Toronto and Vancouver.

And he does. And the cycle continues until his whole department is speaking another language. Then the whole dept. does a sh*t job with everyone missing the point and management eventually catches track of this and cuts the dept. But since they got employeed, they feel the solution is to hire people with even BETTER creditials. The whole while no one wants to admit that they are simply 3 world people, from a dirt 3rd world country, who are 'functionally illiterate'. (real term - look it up).

And you? They would never hire you!!

Again - Alberta is in an infancy stage.

[Riverwind]

"Oooh Tracy look at him, he has 2 degrees! One from Islamabad, one from UofT, and he has a 3.8 grade average! Let's hire him!'

You know nothing about what really goes on in the job market. Canadian employers are extremely reluctant to hire immigrants and only do so if they have no choice. Many immigrants with PhDs end up driving cabs or cleaning toilets for that reason. Any native born Canadian that does have a job that they want either:

1) lacks important job skills

2) refuses to relocate

3) does not care enough to bother looking for something else.

[killjoy]

Out here in Alberta, we still call them Pakies.

Not really no. I think what we call them out here is "Bob" or "George" or "Sashi" depending on what their name is.

Last time the word "Pakies" was used in Alberta with any frequency mullets were 'new' and 'cool'.

Nobody in a population mass of more than 20k in Alberta uses that word (or other like it) anymore.

As to the rest of it I don't know what you're talking about. Alberta has a very low unemployment rate and about 30% of us are either self-employed or own our own businesses.

I have a feeling the writer of that post moved from Alberta before the influx of Eastern immigrants in the '90's. Half of us are asian now.

Deal.

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[Argus]

There are 1 billion Muslims in the world (accounts vary). If simply 1 percent become terrorists we will lose, or it will go nuclear, best-case scenario it will never end.

1% is a mere ten million people. We can kill ten million people fairly easily without nukes.

We need to reach out to Muslims not segregate them. They are some of the ONLY effective ammunition in this war for either side.

What does "reach out to" mean? If it means accomdating their bizarre religious practices and values then - no.

I don't see, frankly, where we have any more reaching out to do. This country has done its best to accomodate people with differeing values. You can only go so far in doing that without abandoning what your own culture stands for.

The Muslim community needs to reform its religious bazsed values. It needs to acknowledge we're in the twenty first century and abandon some of its primitive interpretations of the Koran. We don't see masses of Christians, even the born-agains, calling for the death of those who work on the sabbath, regardless of what the bible says, and we shouldn't see masses of Muslims calling for the limbs of thieves to be amputated and women to be stoned. I'd like to see a major Western Muslim leader say that Sharia law was designed for a far more primitive time and that the idea of instituting it now is completely inapropriate and against the will of God.

[Charles Anthony]

I did it.

[Argus]

The world is a diverse place - get over it. Canada attempts to deal with this diversity in a peaceful and civilized way. Learning to live and let live is a good thing.

Nice thought. But what if the other guy doesn't have a similar set of beliefs?

Ever wonder why we have metal detectors in courts? Why we have to get to the airport two hours early so our luggage can be searched? It's because we let Sikhs into our country who were determined to hang on to old hatreds.

Ever wonder why there are police with machinguns walking around the embassy district in Ottawa? It's because we let Armenians into Canada who are determined to hang onto old hatreds.

And now thanks to Muslims, that casual walk or drive across the border to do a little shopping.or to see a show is about to come to an end. The US aren't beefing up border rules because of us, but because of the Muslims we've allowed into our country, Muslims who are more determined to hang onto their hate than any other group anywhere in the world. And when the tourism industry takes a huge hit as the border controls tighten further, that will be because of Muslims too.

You know, I was talking to someone today who is worried she might not be able to get across the US border, not because she has ever commited a crime, but because men she used to associate with did. She was turned back once because she was in their company.

You are known by the company you keep, you see. And right now Canada is becoming known, at least to the US, as a nation which keeps company with terrorists and terrorist sympathisers, violently anti-semitic and anti-American.

[killjoy]

1% is a mere ten million people. We can kill ten million people fairly easily without nukes.

Excuse me. "mere"? A "mere" 10 million? Please look up the numbers of armies through out the world and then come back here and call it a 'mere' 10million. China doesn't even have 1/2 that many soldiers. We could beat China, "fairly easy without nukes"? I disagree. They're even all in one place and wearing uniforms.

Look at it another way: The number of acting, involved Islamic terrorists out there, (NOT including Iraqi insurgents) has been estimated by many experts to be under 5000 world wide. Lets double that and call it 10000. That's 10000 people who are walking the walk, not just talking the talk. Look at the trouble we're having now. I mean people want tokick out all muslims for the actions of 17 teenagers (or equivilent to about 2 men). Please re-evaluate your 10 million is "mere" statement Easy?. No way.

I stand by what I said. we get 10 million Islamo-fanatics and everyone muslim or otherwise is in serious, serious trouble.

You can fight a small portion of 10000 of them, or 10000000 of them. I'm not interested in what's fair. I'm interested in what's possible and least bloody.

What does "reach out to" mean? If it means accommodating their bizarre religious practices and values then - no.

no. In 1978 Canada was the second 'fattest' country in the world. 'Participaction' was a program launched by the government that included commercials by athletes and MP's and regular people. In 3 years we were MUCH healthier and slimmer, (of course since the we've grown 'fat' again but that’s not the point). I suggest the same thing. We have Muslim MP's who have already spoken out against this (of course) we need to get them and community leaders on TV doing opinion pieces. I also suggest creating police initiatives to work with the community.

Accommodating bizarre religious practices is not something I was going to suggest, nor do I understand why it would help. Also I don't understand what 'bizarre religious practices' we're stopping now. I would also point out that a few years ago the Supreme court laid down the law and allowed Sikhs to carry ceremonial daggers....much to the chagrin and paranoia of many. Nice to see that it's been such a 'problem' that no one even remembers it anymore.

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