Why does Trump keep LYING about China and other countries paying tariffs when non-MAGA all KNOW we're paying them?

[LinkSoul60]

35 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

No, like the deportation stats, you cherry picked the numbers.

What did I cherry pick....  the report is the report.

37 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Really? Let's take an extreme example, China. They could send us damn near anything they wanted, use slave labor to make it and pay little to no tariffs while we couldn't send anything to them unless we put one of their oligarchs on the board, paid massive tariffs and subjected our businesses to no trademark protections. But our trade was fair? 

There are literally hundreds of examples of lesser consequence. But you can see how we've lost jobs to Mexico over car manufacturing. India stole service jobs. We can bring jobs, like those, back to the US while gaining tax revenue for those that don't and tax revenue for those that do. We win all the way around. 

Agreed that China is a different country with trade.  Any other examples?

Ford built a plant in Mexico in 1925....100 years ago.  Manufacturers are not bringing back this or Canadian car production in any grand scale because of the multi-billions of dollars invested in a supply chain that is dependant of production from each country.  You've won nothing and within time will look back at the tariff policy as a net loss.

44 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

That is pay I wouldn't accept if it wasn't high enough to cover my expenses. Let's say my expenses for the year are $30,000. If I take a job for $30,000, then I won't be able to cover my expenses. So, I only accept jobs that have a "take home pay" over $30,000 per year. My employer pays my taxes because they are my end user. If no one is willing to accept my wages, I either have to reduce my costs or accept a loss. 

The same goes for businesses. If the tariffs prevent profit, they either raise prices (which only works if someone is willing to pay) or cut costs.

You just don't get it do you....  Your employer does not pay your state or federal taxes.  Good god man....

You're starting to catch on about business input costs.... Once again, if tariffs increase costs across a sector companies within that sector will generally all pass those costs on to the end user.  Any yes, part of business is continually looking at ways to improve your cost position.  You're catching on 👍

50 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Costs are not relevant to market price.

As soon as I say you're catching on you say something nonsensical, and right against what you said above.  Good god man...

52 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Let's say you start an egg farm. You have to build a coup, by chickens, feed them, collect the eggs, clean them, package them, deliver them and then sell them. The first dozen is going to cost you some crazy number like $30,000. Who is going to pay that? No one. The market says eggs are $2.30/dz. 

Your analogy only applies if you intend to sell a dozen eggs with this new business.  Otherwise your costs are amortized to your total output and sales, which needs to be competitive for the product you're selling, or with value-added that allows you to get more price.  I'm not an egg eater so not sure what value-add there is for some with eggs except being free range?

[LinkSoul60]

53 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Yes, think about it, please. 

Wow, just wow....   I can see how Trump got as many votes as he did.

54 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

You need to get into business 330.

I never took business 330, if there is such thing, but did take business administration courses in college until leaving with no degree and getting into the real world with a career spent in business with two US based multi-national companies.  I have an understanding of how most functional department's of business works....  You?

[gatomontes99]

24 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

What did I cherry pick....  the report is the report.

You went with the nonfood data rather than the whole picture. 

 

25 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Ford built a plant in Mexico in 1925....100 years ago.  

And more since. All because of bad trade deals. Ross Perot nailed it, we did hear the giant sucking sound. Better trade deals would have prevented that giant sucking sound. 

26 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

You just don't get it do you....  Your employer does not pay your state or federal taxes.  Good god man....

Of course they do. The end user always pays the taxes. Let's put it this way; without income I wouldn't have any taxes to pay. 

 

28 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

You're starting to catch on about business input costs.... Once again, if tariffs increase costs across a sector companies within that sector will generally all pass those costs on to the end user.  Any yes, part of business is continually looking at ways to improve your cost position.  You're catching on 👍

You are blatantly leaving out the most important part, the consumer's ability to pay. Increased price always....ALWAYS...equals less demand. Just because costs go up doesn't mean prices can go up. You are only focusing on one variable on one side of the equation. There are multiple variables on both sides of the equation.

 

31 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Your analogy only applies if you intend to sell a dozen eggs with this new business.  Otherwise your costs are amortized to your total output and sales, which needs to be competitive for the product you're selling, or with value-added that allows you to get more price.  I'm not an egg eater so not sure what value-add there is for some with eggs except being free range?

I was exaggerating costs and price to make a point. My example works for one penny, one dollar or one thousand dollars.

21 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Wow, just wow....   I can see how Trump got as many votes as he did.

Maybe, someday, you will think back on this and realize just how sophomoric your arguments have been. 

23 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I never took business 330, if there is such thing, but did take business administration courses in college until leaving with no degree and getting into the real world with a career spent in business with two US based multi-national companies.  I have an understanding of how most functional department's of business works....  You?

I work for a mutli national company that does business in 64  countries. 

[LinkSoul60]

6 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

You went with the nonfood data rather than the whole picture. 

I copied and pasted the data.  Your choice in what you want to extract from it.

6 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

And more since. All because of bad trade deals. Ross Perot nailed it, we did hear the giant sucking sound. Better trade deals would have prevented that giant sucking sound. 

Wasn't the Trump's CUSMA deal maybe the best deal ever?  Sure it was.... On January 30, 2020, Trump said: "The USMCA is the fairest, most balanced, and beneficial trade agreement we have ever signed into law. It's the best agreement we've ever made".

Ross Perot... 😂

9 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Of course they do. The end user always pays the taxes. Let's put it this way; without income I wouldn't have any taxes to pay. 

Wow....  your company pays you a wage which state and federal taxes are deducted from.  And no, taxes are paid by everyone and every business.

12 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

You are blatantly leaving out the most important part, the consumer's ability to pay. Increased price always....ALWAYS...equals less demand. Just because costs go up doesn't mean prices can go up. You are only focusing on one variable on one side of the equation. There are multiple variables on both sides of the equation.

 

You truly appear to have trouble understanding....  For god sakes read what I've said.  We're talking about tariffs FFS and if an entire sector gets hit with tariffs the entire sector is likely to pass those increased on.  WTF is so hard about figuring that out?  If you want to talk about one off's and price elasticity we can do that til the cows come hime.  We're talking about tariffs.

16 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Maybe, someday, you will think back on this and realize just how sophomoric your arguments have been. 

No, but I will think back and laugh about some of the conversations I've had with low information people like you.

18 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

I work for a mutli national company that does business in 64  countries

Good to hear you're working.  What's your role in the functional department of this multi-national company you work for?  I'm assuming it's not product management, procurement, sr level sales or finance....

[robosmith]

9 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I copied and pasted the data.  Your choice in what you want to extract from it.

Wasn't the Trump's CUSMA deal maybe the best deal ever?  Sure it was.... On January 30, 2020, Trump said: "The USMCA is the fairest, most balanced, and beneficial trade agreement we have ever signed into law. It's the best agreement we've ever made".

Ross Perot... 😂

Wow....  your company pays you a wage which state and federal taxes are deducted from.  And no, taxes are paid by everyone and every business.

You truly appear to have trouble understanding....  For god sakes read what I've said.  We're talking about tariffs FFS and if an entire sector gets hit with tariffs the entire sector is likely to pass those increased on.  WTF is so hard about figuring that out?  If you want to talk about one off's and price elasticity we can do that til the cows come hime.  We're talking about tariffs.

No, but I will think back and laugh about some of the conversations I've had with low information people like you.

Good to hear you're working.  What's your role in the functional department of this multi-national company you work for?  I'm assuming it's not product management, procurement, sr level sales or finance....

You guys need to stop derailing the thread with discussions about who pays domestic taxes.

The subject is, who is paying the tariff taxes: domestic companies/consumers or foreign countries.

OBVIOUSLY foreign countries don't pay the tariffs since they are COLLECTED FROM the RECIPIENTS at the PORT OF ARRIVAL.

The question is; WHY DOES TRUMP KEEP LYING ABOUT THAT?

[LinkSoul60]

3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You guys need to stop derailing the thread with discussions about who pays domestic taxes.

The subject is, who is paying the tariff taxes: domestic companies/consumers or foreign countries.

OBVIOUSLY foreign countries don't pay the tariffs since they are COLLECTED FROM the RECIPIENTS at the PORT OF ARRIVAL.

The question is; WHY DOES TRUMP KEEP LYING ABOUT THAT?

The stupid tax convo I'm having with Gato is not about how tariffs are paid.  It's about how personal income is paid, and to whom.

Got it though....  I'm done with that convo 

[gatomontes99]

21 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I copied and pasted the data.  Your choice in what you want to extract from it.

Only the cherry picked data.

22 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Wasn't the Trump's CUSMA deal maybe the best deal ever?  Sure it was.... On January 30, 2020, Trump said: "The USMCA is the fairest, most balanced, and beneficial trade agreement we have ever signed into law. It's the best agreement we've ever made".

Ross Perot... 😂

Best deal yet doesn't mean best deal possible.

22 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

No, but I will think back and laugh about some of the conversations I've had with low information people like you.

If only you had enough information to see that you are on the low information side here. 

23 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Wow....  your company pays you a wage which state and federal taxes are deducted from.

So close. I am providing a service. My service costs me 28% of my income. My end user is my employer. The end user always pays the cost. 

 

26 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

You truly appear to have trouble understanding....  For god sakes read what I've said.  We're talking about tariffs FFS and if an entire sector gets hit with tariffs the entire sector is likely to pass those increased on.

Maybe, but probably not. It will depend partly on the consumer's disposable income and the product/service's necessity. It will also depend on whether or not competition that doesn't bear the costs of a tariff exists or forms. You are looking at one variable in a complex equation and acting as if that variable is the only factor that must be considered. 

16 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You guys need to stop derailing the thread with discussions about who pays domestic taxes.

The subject is, who is paying the tariff taxes: domestic companies/consumers or foreign countries.

OBVIOUSLY foreign countries don't pay the tariffs since they are COLLECTED FROM the RECIPIENTS at the PORT OF ARRIVAL.

The question is; WHY DOES TRUMP KEEP LYING ABOUT THAT?

Lmao...oh that's rich. You want to tell people to stop derailing threads? Aren't you the one that takes Israel defending it's people and turns it into Trump was friends with Epstein?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/billconerly/2024/11/21/the-price-inflation-paradox-how-tariffs-really-affect-the-economy/

That article will debunked this myth that tariffs cause inflation. 

 

 

 

[robosmith]

3 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Only the cherry picked data.

Best deal yet doesn't mean best deal possible.

If only you had enough information to see that you are on the low information side here. 

So close. I am providing a service. My service costs me 28% of my income. My end user is my employer. The end user always pays the cost. 

 

Maybe, but probably not. It will depend partly on the consumer's disposable income and the product/service's necessity. It will also depend on whether or not competition that doesn't bear the costs of a tariff exists or forms. You are looking at one variable in a complex equation and acting as if that variable is the only factor that must be considered. 

Lmao...oh that's rich. You want to tell people to stop derailing threads? Aren't you the one that takes Israel defending it's people and turns it into Trump was friends with Epstein?

NO!  You should get your EVIDENCE together BEFORE making wild allegations, lDIOT.

3 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/billconerly/2024/11/21/the-price-inflation-paradox-how-tariffs-really-affect-the-economy/

That article will debunked this myth that tariffs cause inflation. 

 

 

 

Tariffs INCREASE PRICES because the COST goes UP. That is INFLATION. Duh

And when IMPORTED PRICES GO UP, DOMESTIC prices go up due to LESS COMPETITION from foreign nations.

IOW, your cite is BOGUS. Unfortunate you just accept ANYTHING that pushes YOUR AGENDA

[gatomontes99]

27 minutes ago, robosmith said:

NO!  You should get your EVIDENCE together BEFORE making wild allegations, lDIOT.

I find it hard to believe anyone is a dense as you. You do that shìt all the time. Like, literally every single thread.

28 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Tariffs INCREASE PRICES because the COST goes UP. That is INFLATION. Duh

And when IMPORTED PRICES GO UP, DOMESTIC prices go up due to LESS COMPETITION from foreign nations.

IOW, your cite is BOGUS. Unfortunate you just accept ANYTHING that pushes YOUR AGENDA

Yeah, you should read the Forbes article. Tariffs lead to a one time increase...maybe. That isn't inflation. Inflation is a function of the increase of the price to consumers over time. 

In 2024, imports accounted for 14% of the economy. Let's assume we placed a 25% tariff on every imported item. That would only be 3.5% of the entire economy but only if the consumer is able to make those purchases. We are not placing any where near 25% on every imported item. Nor will the prices go up on every item. So, there is very little increased cost to consumer. 

[robosmith]

7 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

I find it hard to believe anyone is a dense as you. You do that shìt all the time. Like, literally every single thread.

PROVE IT. I never "ask questions" like you did when I cannot prove the answer.

7 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Yeah, you should read the Forbes article. Tariffs lead to a one time increase...maybe. That isn't inflation. Inflation is a function of the increase of the price to consumers over time. 

Forbes says NOTHING about the FACT that tariffs will cause domestic prices to RISE, TOO. 

That is INFLATION.

7 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

In 2024, imports accounted for 14% of the economy. Let's assume we placed a 25% tariff on every imported item. That would only be 3.5% of the entire economy but only if the consumer is able to make those purchases. We are not placing any where near 25% on every imported item. Nor will the prices go up on every item. So, there is very little increased cost to consumer. 

25% tariffs are UNPRECEDENTED. Smoot Hawley raised tariffs by average of 20% and drastically worsened the Great Depression

 

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How much did the Smoot-Hawley Act raise tariffs?

 

 

Formally called the United States Tariff Act of 1930, this legislation, originally intended to help American farmers, raised already high import duties on a range of agricultural and industrial goods by some 20 percent. It was sponsored by Sen. Reed Smoot of Utah and Rep.Jun 10, 2025

Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act | History, Effects, & Facts | Britannica

Britannica

https://www.britannica.com › topic › Smoot-Hawley-Tari...

 

[gatomontes99]

On 8/12/2025 at 11:13 PM, robosmith said:

PROVE IT.

6-1 says you derail threads. Did you vote for yourself?