Regime Change Russia: Victoria Nuland, Jake Sullivan, Obama, Biden

August1991 · March 7

Was this their plan?

Did they intend to overthrow Putin?

August1991 · March 7

Why did Nuland, Sullivan oppose Putin?

Because like Elton John, they opposed Putin's policies for gays?

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Did Obama and Biden really believe that they could manage regime change in Russia?

In 2012, during a debate, Obama famously said, "And, the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back, because the Cold War’s been over for 20 years."

In February 2014, Obama famously said that Russia (not Putin) was weak.

Scott75 · March 7

5 hours ago, August1991 said:

Was this their plan?

Did they intend to overthrow Putin?

Biden certainly seemed to think that if Putin was removed from office, he'd see it as an improvement. As to whether some or all if them intended it, I don't know. What's clear is that up until now, Putin is still very much the head of state of Russia, and most Russians seem to be fine with this.

Scott75 · March 7

5 hours ago, August1991 said:

Why did Nuland, Sullivan oppose Putin?

Because like Elton John, they opposed Putin's policies for gays?

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Did Obama and Biden really believe that they could manage regime change in Russia?

In 2012, during a debate, Obama famously said, "And, the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back, because the Cold War’s been over for 20 years."

In February 2014, Obama famously said that Russia (not Putin) was weak.

Even Putin admits that there was a time after the dissolution of the U.S.S.R., there was a certain amount of time when Russia was weak. Here's how he put it in the speech he gave on the day he began Russia's special military operation in Ukraine:

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As for our country, after the disintegration of the USSR, given the entire unprecedented openness of the new, modern Russia, its readiness to work honestly with the United States and other Western partners, and its practically unilateral disarmament, they immediately tried to put the final squeeze on us, finish us off, and utterly destroy us. This is how it was in the 1990s and the early 2000s, when the so-called collective West was actively supporting separatism and gangs of mercenaries in southern Russia. What victims, what losses we had to sustain and what trials we had to go through at that time before we broke the back of international terrorism in the Caucasus! We remember this and will never forget.

Properly speaking, the attempts to use us in their own interests never ceased until quite recently: they sought to destroy our traditional values and force on us their false values that would erode us, our people from within, the attitudes they have been aggressively imposing on their countries, attitudes that are directly leading to degradation and degeneration, because they are contrary to human nature. This is not going to happen. No one has ever succeeded in doing this, nor will they succeed now.

Despite all that, in December 2021, we made yet another attempt to reach agreement with the United States and its allies on the principles of European security and NATO’s non-expansion. Our efforts were in vain. The United States has not changed its position. It does not believe it necessary to agree with Russia on a matter that is critical for us. The United States is pursuing its own objectives, while neglecting our interests.

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Putin then gets into an interesting speech on what I believe is how he views the west's bid to have Ukraine as a part of NATO by bringing up what happened prior to Germany's invasion of Russia back in World War II:

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Of course, this situation begs a question: what next, what are we to expect? If history is any guide, we know that in 1940 and early 1941 the Soviet Union went to great lengths to prevent war or at least delay its outbreak. To this end, the USSR sought not to provoke the potential aggressor until the very end by refraining or postponing the most urgent and obvious preparations it had to make to defend itself from an imminent attack. When it finally acted, it was too late.

As a result, the country was not prepared to counter the invasion by Nazi Germany, which attacked our Motherland on June 22, 1941, without declaring war. The country stopped the enemy and went on to defeat it, but this came at a tremendous cost. The attempt to appease the aggressor ahead of the Great Patriotic War proved to be a mistake which came at a high cost for our people. In the first months after the hostilities broke out, we lost vast territories of strategic importance, as well as millions of lives. We will not make this mistake the second time. We have no right to do so.

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August1991 · March 9

On 3/7/2025 at 10:16 AM, Scott75 said:

Biden certainly seemed to think that if Putin was removed from office, he'd see it as an improvement....

My thought too, how leftist Americans think.

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At the start of this Ukraine-Russian Civil War, the idea was to change Russia.

Get rid of Putin.

Scott75 · March 10

20 hours ago, August1991 said:

On 3/7/2025 at 9:16 AM, Scott75 said:

Biden certainly seemed to think that if Putin was removed from office, he'd see it as an improvement.

My thought too, how leftist Americans think.

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At the start of this Ukraine-Russian Civil War, the idea was to change Russia.

Get rid of Putin.

The U.S. definitely puts a lot of effort into replacing the governments it doesn't like. Jeffrey Sachs' certainly pointed that out in the speech he made to the European Union. Quoting from it:

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As you know, Viktor Yanukovych was elected as president of Ukraine in 2010 on the platform of Ukraine’s neutrality. Russia had no territorial interests or designs in Ukraine at all. I know. I was there off-and-on during these years. What Russia was negotiating during 2010 was a 25-year lease to 2042 for Sevastopol naval base. That’s it. There were no Russian demands for Crimea, or for the Donbas. Nothing like that at all. The idea that Putin is reconstructing the Russian empire is childish propaganda. Excuse me.

If anyone knows the day-to-day and year-to-year history, this is childish stuff. Yet childish stuff seems to work better than adult stuff. So, there were no territorial demands at all before the 2014 coup [in Ukraine]. Yet the United States decided that Yanukovych must be overthrown because he favored neutrality and opposed NATO enlargement. It’s called a regime change operation.

There have been around one hundred regime-change operations by the U.S. since 1947, many in your countries [speaking to the MEPs] and many all over the world.

(Political scientist Lindsey O’Rourke documented 64 U.S. covert regime-change operations between 1947 and 1989, and concluded that “Regime change operations, especially those conducted covertly, have oft en led to prolonged instability, civil wars, and humanitarian crises in the affected regions.” See O’Rourke’s 2018 book, Covert Regime Change: America’s Secret Cold War. After 1989, there is ample evidence of the C.I.A. involved in Syria, Libya, Ukraine, Venezuela, and many other countries.)

That’s what the C.I.A. does for a living. Please know it. It’s a very unusual kind of foreign policy. In the American government, if you don’t like the other side, you don’t negotiate with them, you try to overthrow them, preferably, covertly. If it doesn’t work covertly, you do it overtly. You always say it’s not our fault. They’re the aggressor. They’re the other side.

They’re “Hitler.” That comes up every two or three years. Whether it’s Saddam Hussein, whether it’s [deposed Syrian President Bashar] al-Assad, whether it’s Putin, that’s very convenient. That’s the only foreign policy explanation the American people are ever given. Well, we’re facing Munich 1938. We can’t talk to the other side. They’re evil and implacable foes. That’s the only model of foreign policy we ever hear from our government and mass media. The mass media repeats it entirely because it’s completely suborned by the U.S. government.

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Full article:

https://consortiumnews.com/2025/02/27/jeffrey-sachs-the-geopolitics-of-peace/