Deportees flown to Portugal

[Leafless]

It's about time government gets tough with illegal immigrants who have no respect for Canada's immigration laws and legal citizen's of this country.

http://www.toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local...hub=TorontoHome

[Leafless]

Bad link- See story at ctv.ca

[Hydraboss]

Good.

Why a plane and not a boat? A slow boat.

[Hicksey]

Good job by immigration.

If you're going to come here do it legally. I have no problem with legal immigration, but these people I don't feel for in the least.

[geoffrey]

If they can't even immigrate to the country legally, how can I trust them to live legally here.

The CBC story on TV showed all these people saying "it wasn't fair" because they "worked so hard in Canada." Well who cares. There is a list of people that want to work hard in Canada, and they deserve to come here because they waited. Not someone that sneaks in and works under the table, costing the taxpayer all that lost taxes.

I like the slow boat idea. I was more thinking a ride in a Sea King myself.

[Argus]

Good job by immigration.

If you're going to come here do it legally. I have no problem with legal immigration, but these people I don't feel for in the least.

I guess your attitude depends on what story you saw. Clearly, I saw a different one.

The one I saw had people who had come here with skills, worked hard, paid taxes, obeyed laws, raised families, being kicked out of the country because, essentially, they were good people. They had jobs and houses and were easy to find. They obeyed when ordered to leave.

As one critic said "who would you rather go after, a criminal who ignores your orders, moves from one place to another without leaving notice, and forces you to get a police backup to visit - or a machine shop employee whose easy to find and no threat."

Apparently, Customs removal officers work on a quota system. It's quantity that counts, not quality. So it's just easier to go after the easy removals while thousands of criminals ordered deported are ignored. If you target the donut maker and auto mechanic you get to go home at 2, but if you're looking for that child molesting drug dealer, well, be prepared to put in some overtime.

Then there are those phoney refugees, tens of thousands of them with largely phoney stories. They make claims which are impossible to verify but very hard to dispute. Some of them aren't even from the countries they claim to be running from. But finding out facts is harder than just letting them in - even if masses of them do go on welfare immediately - and stay there.

So, no, I won't say they did a good job. They do a damned lousy job. Most of the street criminals in our major cities, and almost all the more vicious gang members, are here courtesty of the fine folks at immigration. I'd much rather they deal with them than some construction workers.

[geoffrey]

They don't pay taxes if they are here illegally. It's under the table.

[Hicksey]

Good job by immigration.

If you're going to come here do it legally. I have no problem with legal immigration, but these people I don't feel for in the least.

I guess your attitude depends on what story you saw. Clearly, I saw a different one.

The one I saw had people who had come here with skills, worked hard, paid taxes, obeyed laws, raised families, being kicked out of the country because, essentially, they were good people. They had jobs and houses and were easy to find. They obeyed when ordered to leave.

As one critic said "who would you rather go after, a criminal who ignores your orders, moves from one place to another without leaving notice, and forces you to get a police backup to visit - or a machine shop employee whose easy to find and no threat."

Apparently, Customs removal officers work on a quota system. It's quantity that counts, not quality. So it's just easier to go after the easy removals while thousands of criminals ordered deported are ignored. If you target the donut maker and auto mechanic you get to go home at 2, but if you're looking for that child molesting drug dealer, well, be prepared to put in some overtime.

Then there are those phoney refugees, tens of thousands of them with largely phoney stories. They make claims which are impossible to verify but very hard to dispute. Some of them aren't even from the countries they claim to be running from. But finding out facts is harder than just letting them in - even if masses of them do go on welfare immediately - and stay there.

So, no, I won't say they did a good job. They do a damned lousy job. Most of the street criminals in our major cities, and almost all the more vicious gang members, are here courtesty of the fine folks at immigration. I'd much rather they deal with them than some construction workers.

I still say good job immigration. These people had every opportunity to get right with immigration over the time they were here and chose not to. And what kind of idiot buys a house in a country they can't secure citizenship to?

I'd rather they target all of the offenders, not just the easy ones. But the fact remains these people were breaking the law. Nobody forced them to. They could have made arrangements to have a new work visa, returned home and then came back legally--but they didn't. I hope they find and get the less savoury people you referred to as well and put them on a plane too as they're every bit as guilty.

The reason people break the laws in this country so willingly is because we selectively enforce our laws. If it is convenient, or it produces significant money by way of fines or public outcry demands it we will enforce any law brought into question. But as much as that approach serves to encourage criminal behavior, that every time there's a bleeding heart we make exceptions does just as much toward that end. Rules aren't made to be broken.

[Argus]

They don't pay taxes if they are here illegally. It's under the table.

You can't spit without paying taxes in this country. And many of them were working legally.

[Argus]

I still say good job immigration. These people had every opportunity to get right with immigration over the time they were here and chose not to.

You don't actually know anything about this country's immigration system, do you?

If you come here on a visitors visa you can't "make it right" except by leaving the country and applying for citizenship, which can take many years, even if succesful. And likely, you wouldn't be. That's because at present, our immigration system is based on quotas per country. We only accept a certain number of applicants from Portugal. And, of course, there are always far, far more applicants than positions.

We limit the number of Portugese who come here so we can take in more Somalians and Iranians, Jamaicans and Haitians, you know. It's nice to have Portugese construction workers and all, but we consider it important to have a lot of people on welfare to keep our social and police services busy too.

I'd rather they target all of the offenders, not just the easy ones. But the fact remains these people were breaking the law.

Yes. True. Whereas the thousands of Kenyans, Nigerians and Ugandans who come in claiming to be Somalian refugees and then go on welfare for the rest of their lives are much more honest. And, of course, all those drug dealers, rapists, burglars, armed robbers and child molesters who are here illegally are just too much trouble to be bothered with.

The reason people break the laws in this country so willingly is because we selectively enforce our laws.

Every country selectively enforces its laws. The fact remains that in any sane world these people would be ideal immigrants. They are hard-working and possess marketable skills in Canada. It strikes me as absurd that we should boot them out while embracing tens of thousands of illiterate third world peasants every year whose only marketable skills are lying to the refugee board and scratching out an application for welfare - with the help of their government-paid lawyers.

[Leafless]

geoffrey

You wrote- " They don't pay taxes if they are here illegally. It's under the table."

Another factor to consider is big buisness already receives various subsidies from different levels of government and now are treated royally by tax payers who are in fact subsidizing their labour pool by hiring illegal immigrants.

Buisness should be severely warned concerning this practice or charged.

This could partly explain why certain sectors of society are becoming richer and others poorer.

[geoffrey]

I agree. Though this would mostly impact fruit growers and farmers. Most manufacturing industry is unionised so illegal labour is rare.

[Hicksey]

I'd rather they target all of the offenders, not just the easy ones. But the fact remains these people were breaking the law.

Yes. True. Whereas the thousands of Kenyans, Nigerians and Ugandans who come in claiming to be Somalian refugees and then go on welfare for the rest of their lives are much more honest. And, of course, all those drug dealers, rapists, burglars, armed robbers and child molesters who are here illegally are just too much trouble to be bothered with.

It's a shame that we're not putting all those people on the same plane.

The reason people break the laws in this country so willingly is because we selectively enforce our laws.

Every country selectively enforces its laws. The fact remains that in any sane world these people would be ideal immigrants. They are hard-working and possess marketable skills in Canada. It strikes me as absurd that we should boot them out while embracing tens of thousands of illiterate third world peasants every year whose only marketable skills are lying to the refugee board and scratching out an application for welfare - with the help of their government-paid lawyers.

And just think ... if they'd just applied for citizenship when they first came and then obeyed immigration laws they would likely be Canadian citizens despite the waiting lists.

Sorry, those who break the law get punished for a reason.

[Leafless]

geoffrey

You wrote- " I agree although this would mostly impact fruit growers and farmers. Most manufacturing industry is unionised so illegal labour is rare."

It is not only manufacturing that is affected as the construction and hospitality industries employ many illegal immigrants.