Nuclear Nation

[JerrySeinfeld]

Think about it.....

[geoffrey]

Oh I love it.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Oh I love it.

As a wise man once said "the smart muslims have realized - why blow up buildings when we'll have the keys to them in a few years?"

[Drea]

Nuclear Nation, Who will be the first?

Uh, somebody already won the race guys -- the U.S.A.

or

perhaps

the

bombing

of

Hiroshima

and

Nagasaki

is

just

another

tin

foil

hat

conspiracy

theory.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Nuclear Nation, Who will be the first?

Uh, somebody already won the race guys -- the U.S.A.

or

perhaps

the

bombing

of

Hiroshima

and

Nagasaki

is

just

another

tin

foil

hat

conspiracy

theory.

The question is the first MUSLIM nuclear nation.

[Drea]

The question is the first MUSLIM nuclear nation.

There's your trouble.

... Christian nation

... Muslim nation

... Buddist nation

... Secular nation

What difference does it make?

The United States of America has ALREADY demonstrated that it WILL use nuclear weapons against another nation.

Who's the bad guy? The guy that MIGHT one day use nukes? Or the guy that HAS used them in the past?

Who's the bad guy? The guy that MIGHT use his gun one day to kill someone? Or the guy who HAS used his gun to kill others in the past?

[JerrySeinfeld]

The question is the first MUSLIM nuclear nation.

There's your trouble.

... Christian nation

... Muslim nation

... Buddist nation

... Secular nation

What difference does it make?

The United States of America has ALREADY demonstrated that it WILL use nuclear weapons against another nation.

Who's the bad guy? The guy that MIGHT one day use nukes? Or the guy that HAS used them in the past?

Who's the bad guy? The guy that MIGHT use his gun one day to kill someone? Or the guy who HAS used his gun to kill others in the past?

C'mon drea you're smarter than that. Don't lump the USA in with a country like Iran, whose prime minister (president?) has publicly expressed his desire to wipe israel off the map.

[ceemes]

The question is the first MUSLIM nuclear nation.

There's your trouble.

... Christian nation

... Muslim nation

... Buddist nation

... Secular nation

What difference does it make?

The United States of America has ALREADY demonstrated that it WILL use nuclear weapons against another nation.

Who's the bad guy? The guy that MIGHT one day use nukes? Or the guy that HAS used them in the past?

Who's the bad guy? The guy that MIGHT use his gun one day to kill someone? Or the guy who HAS used his gun to kill others in the past?

C'mon drea you're smarter than that. Don't lump the USA in with a country like Iran, whose prime minister (president?) has publicly expressed his desire to wipe israel off the map.

You are correct......comparing the US to Iran is not fair at all......to the Iranians that is.

Lets see, how many nations have the Iranian invaded in the last twenty years or overthrown governments? None that I can think off.

Which nation and government has recently endorsed the first strike use of nuclear weapons against potential adversies? Oh yeah, Bush and the US.

Which nation and government has stated categorically that it will not allow any other nation to become on par with it or surpass it militarially or economically? It wasn't Iran was it, but once again the good ole USA ala Bush.

Oh yeah baby, lets not compare Iran to the US, coz when it comes to stirring the fecal matter, Iranians are mere pikers when compared to the Americans.

[JerrySeinfeld]

You are correct......comparing the US to Iran is not fair at all......to the Iranians that is.

Lets see, how many nations have the Iranian invaded in the last twenty years or overthrown governments? None that I can think off.

Which nation and government has recently endorsed the first strike use of nuclear weapons against potential adversies? Oh yeah, Bush and the US.

Which nation and government has stated categorically that it will not allow any other nation to become on par with it or surpass it militarially or economically? It wasn't Iran was it, but once again the good ole USA ala Bush.

Oh yeah baby, lets not compare Iran to the US, coz when it comes to stirring the fecal matter, Iranians are mere pikers when compared to the Americans.

What colour is the sky in your world?

[ceemes]

You are correct......comparing the US to Iran is not fair at all......to the Iranians that is.

Lets see, how many nations have the Iranian invaded in the last twenty years or overthrown governments? None that I can think off.

Which nation and government has recently endorsed the first strike use of nuclear weapons against potential adversies? Oh yeah, Bush and the US.

Which nation and government has stated categorically that it will not allow any other nation to become on par with it or surpass it militarially or economically? It wasn't Iran was it, but once again the good ole USA ala Bush.

Oh yeah baby, lets not compare Iran to the US, coz when it comes to stirring the fecal matter, Iranians are mere pikers when compared to the Americans.

What colour is the sky in your world?

This time of the year, either blue or grey.

Now how about addressing the points eh? How many nations has Iran invaded in the last twenty years? How many governments has it overthrown? How many has it bombed? Now compare those figures with the US's.

Face it, the US under Bush has become very dangerous, not only to other nations and their citizens, but to the average joe in the US. Simply by declaring that it (the US) will use pre-empitive military strikes, including the use of nuclear weapons, against any nations that MAY become an economic or military rival at some future time is a challenge no nation can ignore. This does not make the world any safer, on the contrary, it makes it far less safer and give the more radical elements around the world jusification for increased military spending and action. As much as I hate to say it, but nation such as Iran would be insane NOT to pursue the development of a nuclear deterant. I predict that in the next twenty years, you will see the nuclear club membership more then triple...if just to keep the US in check.

[JerrySeinfeld]

You are correct......comparing the US to Iran is not fair at all......to the Iranians that is.

Lets see, how many nations have the Iranian invaded in the last twenty years or overthrown governments? None that I can think off.

Which nation and government has recently endorsed the first strike use of nuclear weapons against potential adversies? Oh yeah, Bush and the US.

Which nation and government has stated categorically that it will not allow any other nation to become on par with it or surpass it militarially or economically? It wasn't Iran was it, but once again the good ole USA ala Bush.

Oh yeah baby, lets not compare Iran to the US, coz when it comes to stirring the fecal matter, Iranians are mere pikers when compared to the Americans.

What colour is the sky in your world?

This time of the year, either blue or grey.

Now how about addressing the points eh? How many nations has Iran invaded in the last twenty years? How many governments has it overthrown? How many has it bombed? Now compare those figures with the US's.

Face it, the US under Bush has become very dangerous, not only to other nations and their citizens, but to the average joe in the US. Simply by declaring that it (the US) will use pre-empitive military strikes, including the use of nuclear weapons, against any nations that MAY become an economic or military rival at some future time is a challenge no nation can ignore. This does not make the world any safer, on the contrary, it makes it far less safer and give the more radical elements around the world jusification for increased military spending and action. As much as I hate to say it, but nation such as Iran would be insane NOT to pursue the development of a nuclear deterant. I predict that in the next twenty years, you will see the nuclear club membership more then triple...if just to keep the US in check.

OK dude. In my view the US is a pretty good policeman. I'd way rather have the US using its muscle to police the world, but I'll put you down for one vote for IRAN as the world's muscleman.

Please, can you provide me with a list of the leaders who were displaced as a result of US action? I'd like to see that list.

[GostHacked]

Uh yeah nice poll.

France already has nukes, I am hoping you already knew that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_and_we...ass_destruction

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_weap...ass_destruction

Also the US has had it's fair share of establishing coups in other countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_coup...eteenth_century

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_to..._foreign_policy

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB8/nsaebb8.htm

Countries that have had a US backed coup

Chilie

Argentina

Panama

Iraq

Iran

Egypt

Brazil

Libya

Thailand

I could go on.

[ceemes]

You are correct......comparing the US to Iran is not fair at all......to the Iranians that is.

Lets see, how many nations have the Iranian invaded in the last twenty years or overthrown governments? None that I can think off.

Which nation and government has recently endorsed the first strike use of nuclear weapons against potential adversies? Oh yeah, Bush and the US.

Which nation and government has stated categorically that it will not allow any other nation to become on par with it or surpass it militarially or economically? It wasn't Iran was it, but once again the good ole USA ala Bush.

Oh yeah baby, lets not compare Iran to the US, coz when it comes to stirring the fecal matter, Iranians are mere pikers when compared to the Americans.

What colour is the sky in your world?

This time of the year, either blue or grey.

Now how about addressing the points eh? How many nations has Iran invaded in the last twenty years? How many governments has it overthrown? How many has it bombed? Now compare those figures with the US's.

Face it, the US under Bush has become very dangerous, not only to other nations and their citizens, but to the average joe in the US. Simply by declaring that it (the US) will use pre-empitive military strikes, including the use of nuclear weapons, against any nations that MAY become an economic or military rival at some future time is a challenge no nation can ignore. This does not make the world any safer, on the contrary, it makes it far less safer and give the more radical elements around the world jusification for increased military spending and action. As much as I hate to say it, but nation such as Iran would be insane NOT to pursue the development of a nuclear deterant. I predict that in the next twenty years, you will see the nuclear club membership more then triple...if just to keep the US in check.

OK dude. In my view the US is a pretty good policeman. I'd way rather have the US using its muscle to police the world, but I'll put you down for one vote for IRAN as the world's muscleman.

Please, can you provide me with a list of the leaders who were displaced as a result of US action? I'd like to see that list.

As you wish....here is a short list:

1953 - Dr. Mohammad Mosaddeq of Iran, ousted by joint CIA-British operation that installed the Shah of Iran into power.

1954 - Jacobo Arbenz Guzmán, elected president of Guatemala. Overthrown by CIA lead coup that install the U.S.'s hand-picked dictator, Carlos Castillo Armas, who outlaws political parties, reduces the franchise, and establishes the death penalty for strikers, as well as undoing Arbenz's land reform.

1961 - CIA-backed coup overthrows elected Pres. J. M. Velasco Ibarra of Ecuador

1964 - João Goulart of Brazil ousted by U.S.-supported military coup.

1973 - Military takes power in Uruguay, supported by U.S.

1973 - U.S.-supported military coup kills Salvador Allende Gossens in Chile and brings Augusto Pinochet Ugarte to power

1981 - The CIA steps in to organize the contras in Nicaragua

1983 - U.S. troops take over tiny Granada. Rather oddly, it intervenes shortly after a coup has overthrown the previous, socialist leader. One of the justifications for the action is the building of a new airport with Cuban help, which Granada claimed was for tourism and Reagan argued was for Soviet use. Later the U.S. announces plans to finish the airport... to develop tourism.

1989 - Panama - Manuel Noriega - US/CIA puppet

2003 - Iraq - Saddam Hussein - another US/CIA puppet that outlived his usefullness.

This list focus's mainly on South America and the ME, suggest you do a further search on your own....I think you will be unpleasently surprised by what you dig up.

[ceemes]

Uh yeah nice poll.

France already has nukes, I am hoping you already knew that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_and_we...ass_destruction

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_weap...ass_destruction

Also the US has had it's fair share of establishing coups in other countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_coup...eteenth_century

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_to..._foreign_policy

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB8/nsaebb8.htm

Countries that have had a US backed coup

Chilie

Argentina

Panama

Iraq

Iran

Egypt

Brazil

Libya

Thailand

I could go on.

Now now, lets not confuse them with too many facts shall we, their grasp on their world view is shaky enough as it is.

[JerrySeinfeld]

You are correct......comparing the US to Iran is not fair at all......to the Iranians that is.

Lets see, how many nations have the Iranian invaded in the last twenty years or overthrown governments? None that I can think off.

Which nation and government has recently endorsed the first strike use of nuclear weapons against potential adversies? Oh yeah, Bush and the US.

Which nation and government has stated categorically that it will not allow any other nation to become on par with it or surpass it militarially or economically? It wasn't Iran was it, but once again the good ole USA ala Bush.

Oh yeah baby, lets not compare Iran to the US, coz when it comes to stirring the fecal matter, Iranians are mere pikers when compared to the Americans.

Sounds like a list of prince charmings to me

I for one certainly pine for the noriega/hussein days.

lol. keep trying bud.

What colour is the sky in your world?

This time of the year, either blue or grey.

Now how about addressing the points eh? How many nations has Iran invaded in the last twenty years? How many governments has it overthrown? How many has it bombed? Now compare those figures with the US's.

Face it, the US under Bush has become very dangerous, not only to other nations and their citizens, but to the average joe in the US. Simply by declaring that it (the US) will use pre-empitive military strikes, including the use of nuclear weapons, against any nations that MAY become an economic or military rival at some future time is a challenge no nation can ignore. This does not make the world any safer, on the contrary, it makes it far less safer and give the more radical elements around the world jusification for increased military spending and action. As much as I hate to say it, but nation such as Iran would be insane NOT to pursue the development of a nuclear deterant. I predict that in the next twenty years, you will see the nuclear club membership more then triple...if just to keep the US in check.

OK dude. In my view the US is a pretty good policeman. I'd way rather have the US using its muscle to police the world, but I'll put you down for one vote for IRAN as the world's muscleman.

Please, can you provide me with a list of the leaders who were displaced as a result of US action? I'd like to see that list.

As you wish....here is a short list:

1953 - Dr. Mohammad Mosaddeq of Iran, ousted by joint CIA-British operation that installed the Shah of Iran into power.

1954 - Jacobo Arbenz Guzmán, elected president of Guatemala. Overthrown by CIA lead coup that install the U.S.'s hand-picked dictator, Carlos Castillo Armas, who outlaws political parties, reduces the franchise, and establishes the death penalty for strikers, as well as undoing Arbenz's land reform.

1961 - CIA-backed coup overthrows elected Pres. J. M. Velasco Ibarra of Ecuador

1964 - João Goulart of Brazil ousted by U.S.-supported military coup.

1973 - Military takes power in Uruguay, supported by U.S.

1973 - U.S.-supported military coup kills Salvador Allende Gossens in Chile and brings Augusto Pinochet Ugarte to power

1981 - The CIA steps in to organize the contras in Nicaragua

1983 - U.S. troops take over tiny Granada. Rather oddly, it intervenes shortly after a coup has overthrown the previous, socialist leader. One of the justifications for the action is the building of a new airport with Cuban help, which Granada claimed was for tourism and Reagan argued was for Soviet use. Later the U.S. announces plans to finish the airport... to develop tourism.

1989 - Panama - Manuel Noriega - US/CIA puppet

2003 - Iraq - Saddam Hussein - another US/CIA puppet that outlived his usefullness.

This list focus's mainly on South America and the ME, suggest you do a further search on your own....I think you will be unpleasently surprised by what you dig up.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Sounds like a list of prince charmings to me

I for one certainly pine for the noriega/hussein days.

Yea - you've convinced me. I changed my mind - I'm for nukes in Iran.

Any other brilliance for us?

[ceemes]

Sounds like a list of prince charmings to me

I for one certainly pine for the noriega/hussein days.

Yea - you've convinced me. I changed my mind - I'm for nukes in Iran.

Any other brilliance for us?

You will of course note that I listed both Saddam and Noriega as US puppets who had outlived their usefulness. Both stayed in power as long as they did due to overt and covert US support, both Democrat and Republican. Both did their masters bidding and when they stopped doing so, they were quickly removed.....well, not so quickly in Saddams case.

However, the point remains that the US has a long and bloody history of overtly or covertly overthrowing nations governments and installing hard line dictators. No matter how you like to gloss over it, it still stinks to high heaven.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Sounds like a list of prince charmings to me

I for one certainly pine for the noriega/hussein days.

Yea - you've convinced me. I changed my mind - I'm for nukes in Iran.

Any other brilliance for us?

You will of course note that I listed both Saddam and Noriega as US puppets who had outlived their usefulness. Both stayed in power as long as they did due to overt and covert US support, both Democrat and Republican. Both did their masters bidding and when they stopped doing so, they were quickly removed.....well, not so quickly in Saddams case.

However, the point remains that the US has a long and bloody history of overtly or covertly overthrowing nations governments and installing hard line dictators. No matter how you like to gloss over it, it still stinks to high heaven.

First the USA & the USSR BOTH participated in "satellite wars" using puppet nations during the cold war. Don't even bring cold war examples into this becauseits irrelevant in todays world and was a different world during those years.

Yes, the USA fought COMMUNISM with "puppets" as you call them. And fought IRAN with saddam hussein. Cops change "loyalties" and cut deals if certain criminals can help them fry bigger fish.

The world changes,so do your enemies. Your examples are not surprises. whats your point?