stignasty Posted January 20, 2006 Report Posted January 20, 2006 Most Canadians happy with election media coverage Updated Fri. Jan. 20 2006 3:29 PM ET Canadian Press A majority of Canadians who rely on the mainstream media for news about the federal election campaign have been happy with the coverage, although some have seen evidence of bias, a new poll suggests. The survey, conducted by Decima Research and made available exclusively to The Canadian Press, says 75 per cent of respondents found the media coverage either good or excellent, up slightly from the 73 per cent who held that opinion in December. However, 40 per cent of the respondents to the poll, conducted Jan. 13-15, said they believe most journalists covering the election want a Conservative win. Quote "It may not be true, but it's legendary that if you're like all Americans, you know almost nothing except for your own country. Which makes you probably knowledgeable about one more country than most Canadians." - Stephen Harper
stignasty Posted January 20, 2006 Author Report Posted January 20, 2006 U.S. conservatives told to stay mum on election Updated Fri. Jan. 20 2006 7:24 PM ET Canadian Press WASHINGTON — There's an e-mail making the rounds of U.S. conservative groups, warning them not to talk to Canadian journalists before Monday's election for fear of scaring off voters and hurting Stephen Harper's chances. And while right-wing commentator Paul Weyrich says he didn't actually write it, he agrees with the sentiments. The message, obtained by the New York Observer, says Weyrich received a call from a prominent Tory, Calgary lawyer Gerald Chipeur, who asked him to avoid interviews with Liberal-friendly journalists trying to link Harper with "scary" American groups. "He said the Canadian media, which is trying to save the current Liberal government, has a strategy of calling conservatives in the U.S.A. in the hopes that someone will inadvertently say something that can be hung around the Conservatives," the e-mail reads. Quote "It may not be true, but it's legendary that if you're like all Americans, you know almost nothing except for your own country. Which makes you probably knowledgeable about one more country than most Canadians." - Stephen Harper
Hicksey Posted January 20, 2006 Report Posted January 20, 2006 U.S. conservatives told to stay mum on election Updated Fri. Jan. 20 2006 7:24 PM ET Canadian Press WASHINGTON — There's an e-mail making the rounds of U.S. conservative groups, warning them not to talk to Canadian journalists before Monday's election for fear of scaring off voters and hurting Stephen Harper's chances. And while right-wing commentator Paul Weyrich says he didn't actually write it, he agrees with the sentiments. The message, obtained by the New York Observer, says Weyrich received a call from a prominent Tory, Calgary lawyer Gerald Chipeur, who asked him to avoid interviews with Liberal-friendly journalists trying to link Harper with "scary" American groups. "He said the Canadian media, which is trying to save the current Liberal government, has a strategy of calling conservatives in the U.S.A. in the hopes that someone will inadvertently say something that can be hung around the Conservatives," the e-mail reads. On your signature ... "It may not be true, but it's legendary that if you're like all Americans, you know almost nothing except for your own country. Which makes you probably knowledgeable about one more country than most Canadians." -- Stephen Harper I think he's partially right. Considering the number people I've talked to that vote Liberal out of family tradition but have no clue who the leader of the party is, I have no doubt. Those of us here have made it our business to know. But a lot more people than any of us care to admit fit into that category. The only reason that this would be an issue is if you hold a badge for the PC Police Force. And a lot of Americans are in the same boat. If you have ever watched the show Street Smarts you know what I mean. "Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives." -- John Stuart Mill Is this man a conservative? "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it." -- John F. Kerry Nope. And he's about as useful as used toilet paper. So your test has failed after only one subject. Quote "If in passing, you never encounter anything that offends you, you are not living in a free society." - Rt. Hon. Kim Campbell - “In many respects, the government needs fewer rules, but rules that are consistently applied.” - Sheila Fraser, Former Auditor General.
newbie Posted January 20, 2006 Report Posted January 20, 2006 Is this man a conservative?"I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it." -- John F. Kerry Nope. And he's about as useful as used toilet paper. So your test has failed after only one subject. That quote by John Kerry has been so misunderstood by the Conservatives. It is very easy to understand when you take it in context. Kerry addressed a veterans group in West Virginia, a heckler kept demanding to know why he had voted against more funding for the troops. In his considered but long-winded fashion, Kerry tried to explain that he had wanted to vote for the funding, but only if the Senate passed an amendment that would whittle down President Bush's earlier tax cut for the rich. Kerry voted for the amendment, but when it failed, he voted against the funding. The heckler pressed, and Kerry, losing patience, fell into senatorial procedural shorthand. "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it," he said. from: http://dovbear.blogspot.com/2004/11/i-actu...87-billion.html Now I can find volumes of really dumb things said by George W. Bush that would make Kerry's tired comment look pretty tame. But comments like yours about a very educated man do nothing but show ignorance. Quote
Hicksey Posted January 21, 2006 Report Posted January 21, 2006 Is this man a conservative? "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it." -- John F. Kerry Nope. And he's about as useful as used toilet paper. So your test has failed after only one subject. That quote by John Kerry has been so misunderstood by the Conservatives. It is very easy to understand when you take it in context. Kerry addressed a veterans group in West Virginia, a heckler kept demanding to know why he had voted against more funding for the troops. In his considered but long-winded fashion, Kerry tried to explain that he had wanted to vote for the funding, but only if the Senate passed an amendment that would whittle down President Bush's earlier tax cut for the rich. Kerry voted for the amendment, but when it failed, he voted against the funding. The heckler pressed, and Kerry, losing patience, fell into senatorial procedural shorthand. "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it," he said. from: http://dovbear.blogspot.com/2004/11/i-actu...87-billion.html Now I can find volumes of really dumb things said by George W. Bush that would make Kerry's tired comment look pretty tame. But comments like yours about a very educated man do nothing but show ignorance. I've heard that so many times. And its weak. He screwed up. Admit it. They're all Ivy League educated and not one can avoid similar stupid comments. Bush is Ivy League educated too. And list them. I'm no Bush apologist. When he screws up he screws up. I think his 'ordinary man' type of dialogue is a little endearing but think that when one makes it to that level, sheer pride and integrity demand a much higher attention paid to these details. Quote "If in passing, you never encounter anything that offends you, you are not living in a free society." - Rt. Hon. Kim Campbell - “In many respects, the government needs fewer rules, but rules that are consistently applied.” - Sheila Fraser, Former Auditor General.
stignasty Posted January 21, 2006 Author Report Posted January 21, 2006 "It may not be true, but it's legendary that if you're like all Americans, you know almost nothing except for your own country. Which makes you probably knowledgeable about one more country than most Canadians." -- Stephen Harper I think he's partially right. Considering the number people I've talked to that vote Liberal out of family tradition but have no clue who the leader of the party is, I have no doubt. Those of us here have made it our business to know. But a lot more people than any of us care to admit fit into that category. The only reason that this would be an issue is if you hold a badge for the PC Police Force. And a lot of Americans are in the same boat. If you have ever watched the show Street Smarts you know what I mean. I disagree, of course. I find fault with anyone who makes the statement that a portion substantially more than half of all Canadians have no knowledge of their own country or any other country in the world. Your anecdotal evidence aside, how can anyone make this claim? Your attempt to brush this off as being politically correct is a weak attempt to defend a leader who has made disparaging remarks to a foreign audience, most likely to gain financial support in his ambition to become the leader of the conservative party. It sickens me that he would badmouth his own people this way. As for the second part of the signature you may want to read it again. "Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives." -- John Stuart Mill It doesn't say that all non-conservatives are intelligent by default. Nor does it say that all conservatives are stupid. It says that stupid people are more likely to gravitate to conservatism. Your earlier post tends to give evidence of the accuracy of the quote. Quote "It may not be true, but it's legendary that if you're like all Americans, you know almost nothing except for your own country. Which makes you probably knowledgeable about one more country than most Canadians." - Stephen Harper
Hicksey Posted January 21, 2006 Report Posted January 21, 2006 "It may not be true, but it's legendary that if you're like all Americans, you know almost nothing except for your own country. Which makes you probably knowledgeable about one more country than most Canadians." -- Stephen Harper I think he's partially right. Considering the number people I've talked to that vote Liberal out of family tradition but have no clue who the leader of the party is, I have no doubt. Those of us here have made it our business to know. But a lot more people than any of us care to admit fit into that category. The only reason that this would be an issue is if you hold a badge for the PC Police Force. And a lot of Americans are in the same boat. If you have ever watched the show Street Smarts you know what I mean. I disagree, of course. I find fault with anyone who makes the statement that a portion substantially more than half of all Canadians have no knowledge of their own country or any other country in the world. Your anecdotal evidence aside, how can anyone make this claim? Your attempt to brush this off as being politically correct is a weak attempt to defend a leader who has made disparaging remarks to a foreign audience, most likely to gain financial support in his ambition to become the leader of the conservative party. It sickens me that he would badmouth his own people this way. As for the second part of the signature you may want to read it again. "Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives." -- John Stuart Mill It doesn't say that all non-conservatives are intelligent by default. Nor does it say that all conservatives are stupid. It says that stupid people are more likely to gravitate to conservatism. Your earlier post tends to give evidence of the accuracy of the quote. You see, the difference between you and I is that I can talk intelligently about this point without coming out and calling people stupid instead preferring to stick to the inference of ignorance. Some people just aren't interested and that does not mean they're stupid, just not informed. As for the comment by Harper, if you can't see it is actually less disrespectful than the one from below you supported and then used to insult me, well ... naw I won't sink to that level. Quote "If in passing, you never encounter anything that offends you, you are not living in a free society." - Rt. Hon. Kim Campbell - “In many respects, the government needs fewer rules, but rules that are consistently applied.” - Sheila Fraser, Former Auditor General.
Boru Posted January 21, 2006 Report Posted January 21, 2006 U.S. conservatives told to stay mum on election Updated Fri. Jan. 20 2006 7:24 PM ET Canadian Press WASHINGTON — There's an e-mail making the rounds of U.S. conservative groups, warning them not to talk to Canadian journalists before Monday's election for fear of scaring off voters and hurting Stephen Harper's chances. And while right-wing commentator Paul Weyrich says he didn't actually write it, he agrees with the sentiments. The message, obtained by the New York Observer, says Weyrich received a call from a prominent Tory, Calgary lawyer Gerald Chipeur, who asked him to avoid interviews with Liberal-friendly journalists trying to link Harper with "scary" American groups. "He said the Canadian media, which is trying to save the current Liberal government, has a strategy of calling conservatives in the U.S.A. in the hopes that someone will inadvertently say something that can be hung around the Conservatives," the e-mail reads. On your signature ... "It may not be true, but it's legendary that if you're like all Americans, you know almost nothing except for your own country. Which makes you probably knowledgeable about one more country than most Canadians." -- Stephen Harper I think he's partially right. Considering the number people I've talked to that vote Liberal out of family tradition but have no clue who the leader of the party is, I have no doubt. Those of us here have made it our business to know. But a lot more people than any of us care to admit fit into that category. The only reason that this would be an issue is if you hold a badge for the PC Police Force. And a lot of Americans are in the same boat. If you have ever watched the show Street Smarts you know what I mean. "Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives." -- John Stuart Mill Is this man a conservative? "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it." -- John F. Kerry Nope. And he's about as useful as used toilet paper. So your test has failed after only one subject. That's right ladies and gentelmen, anybody who votes Liberal is a comlete and utter moron. We had better vote Conservative now... I'm convinced!!! What about Conservative voters who do the same? Oh...they don't get a mention in your post... asshat... Quote
Hicksey Posted January 21, 2006 Report Posted January 21, 2006 U.S. conservatives told to stay mum on election Updated Fri. Jan. 20 2006 7:24 PM ET Canadian Press WASHINGTON — There's an e-mail making the rounds of U.S. conservative groups, warning them not to talk to Canadian journalists before Monday's election for fear of scaring off voters and hurting Stephen Harper's chances. And while right-wing commentator Paul Weyrich says he didn't actually write it, he agrees with the sentiments. The message, obtained by the New York Observer, says Weyrich received a call from a prominent Tory, Calgary lawyer Gerald Chipeur, who asked him to avoid interviews with Liberal-friendly journalists trying to link Harper with "scary" American groups. "He said the Canadian media, which is trying to save the current Liberal government, has a strategy of calling conservatives in the U.S.A. in the hopes that someone will inadvertently say something that can be hung around the Conservatives," the e-mail reads. On your signature ... "It may not be true, but it's legendary that if you're like all Americans, you know almost nothing except for your own country. Which makes you probably knowledgeable about one more country than most Canadians." -- Stephen Harper I think he's partially right. Considering the number people I've talked to that vote Liberal out of family tradition but have no clue who the leader of the party is, I have no doubt. Those of us here have made it our business to know. But a lot more people than any of us care to admit fit into that category. The only reason that this would be an issue is if you hold a badge for the PC Police Force. And a lot of Americans are in the same boat. If you have ever watched the show Street Smarts you know what I mean. "Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives." -- John Stuart Mill Is this man a conservative? "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it." -- John F. Kerry Nope. And he's about as useful as used toilet paper. So your test has failed after only one subject. That's right ladies and gentelmen, anybody who votes Liberal is a comlete and utter moron. We had better vote Conservative now... I'm convinced!!! What about Conservative voters who do the same? Oh...they don't get a mention in your post... asshat... I commented only on the test submitted, that if one found a stupid person he would likely be a conservative. Conservative voters who vote out of tradition are no better if that's what you're looking for. I figured the inference would be drawn by any reasonable person, that if Liberal voters voting their ignorance were out there that there would likely be a similar number of Conservatives. If you need anything else spelled out, let me know. My second grade teacher always told me I was a good speller. If only my typing skills were up to snuff with my spelling skills I know many Liberals that are in fact very intelligent. Why they vote and think the way they do baffles me and my ways also baffle them. Liberals are from Venus and Conservatives from Mars I guess -- we're just cut from different cloths and don't think alike. Quote "If in passing, you never encounter anything that offends you, you are not living in a free society." - Rt. Hon. Kim Campbell - “In many respects, the government needs fewer rules, but rules that are consistently applied.” - Sheila Fraser, Former Auditor General.
Montgomery Burns Posted January 21, 2006 Report Posted January 21, 2006 Toronto Star and Globe & Mail front page headlines from yesterday: The Fight over Ontario: Sex, rights and religion. City fears projects at risk. Tory win could threaten funding deals. Housing, TTC, daycare among concerns. Is religious right poised to set Harper’s agenda? Some fear freedoms to be stripped. Yep. The MSM is not biased for liberals. Quote "Anybody who doesn't appreciate what America has done, and President Bush, let them go to hell!" -- Iraqi Betty Dawisha, after dropping her vote in the ballot box, wields The Cluebat™ to the anti-liberty crowd on Dec 13, 2005. "Call me crazy, but I think they [iraqis] were happy with thier [sic] dumpy homes before the USA levelled so many of them" -- Gerryhatrick, Feb 3, 2006.
tml12 Posted January 21, 2006 Report Posted January 21, 2006 Toronto Star and Globe & Mail front page headlines from yesterday:The Fight over Ontario: Sex, rights and religion. City fears projects at risk. Tory win could threaten funding deals. Housing, TTC, daycare among concerns. Is religious right poised to set Harper’s agenda? Some fear freedoms to be stripped. Yep. The MSM is not biased for liberals. Quote "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." -Alexander Hamilton
stignasty Posted January 21, 2006 Author Report Posted January 21, 2006 At the moment: National Post: Latest News - Harper predicts victory Tory lead firm: poll Yeah, that's fair and balanced. Globe and Mail: Martin ridicules Harper's media strategy Harper predicts breakthrough in Toronto Dang Liberal MSM!! ctv.ca Harper launches offensive in final campaign push (that's the main headline) Sidebar item with a picture of Stephen Harper entitled "Harper's Evolution" Martin steps up attack, predicts Liberal victory (six stories down the page, under the Whale in the Thames headline) That darn Liberal media is at it again!! cbc.ca/news Second item below a story on the soldiers injured in Afghanistan: "Final days: Leaders keep up pace, pressure to sway voters" Under the Election 2006 section the top three headlines are Martin says Tory progressive roots are 'no more' Layton eyes strategic vote in B.C. Harper keeps focuses on Liberal scandal The Harper headline was the top news story on the page for a good part of the day yesterday. Yep. The MSM is not biased for liberals. Quote "It may not be true, but it's legendary that if you're like all Americans, you know almost nothing except for your own country. Which makes you probably knowledgeable about one more country than most Canadians." - Stephen Harper
Hicksey Posted January 21, 2006 Report Posted January 21, 2006 At the moment:National Post: Latest News - Harper predicts victory Tory lead firm: poll Yeah, that's fair and balanced. Globe and Mail: Martin ridicules Harper's media strategy Harper predicts breakthrough in Toronto Dang Liberal MSM!! ctv.ca Harper launches offensive in final campaign push (that's the main headline) Sidebar item with a picture of Stephen Harper entitled "Harper's Evolution" Martin steps up attack, predicts Liberal victory (six stories down the page, under the Whale in the Thames headline) That darn Liberal media is at it again!! cbc.ca/news Second item below a story on the soldiers injured in Afghanistan: "Final days: Leaders keep up pace, pressure to sway voters" Under the Election 2006 section the top three headlines are Martin says Tory progressive roots are 'no more' Layton eyes strategic vote in B.C. Harper keeps focuses on Liberal scandal The Harper headline was the top news story on the page for a good part of the day yesterday. Yep. The MSM is not biased for liberals. Where's the Toronto Star? Quote "If in passing, you never encounter anything that offends you, you are not living in a free society." - Rt. Hon. Kim Campbell - “In many respects, the government needs fewer rules, but rules that are consistently applied.” - Sheila Fraser, Former Auditor General.
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