What I want

[guyser]

BULL-SHIT. Maybe wherever you come from you regard a ten hour wait to fix the broken arm of a baby or an elderly woman. I most certainly do not. You know, there was a time we would hear about how the public hospitals in the US had these long, long waits, and we shook our heads about how silly the Americans were. Not now. Now we have those waits too. The difference is that only the poor wait in the US. Most of the rest go to private hospitals and they don't wait any ten hours to have a broken limb set. . Months long waits for diagnostic tests, months long wait for treatment for cancer, years long waits for orthopedic surgery. This is not the system I grew up with.

As someone who has been in far too many hospitals in the last five years I can tell you that is not the case as a rule.

Lets see , had my test results in a week, all four times they did them.Saw a specialist within two weeks for consult. Was told if things developed poorly, then I would be scheduled within a month for surgery.

Watched my dad who at age 73 , while in hospital , be diagnosed with a need for a double bypass. Horrors of horrors, we had to wait four days for them to do it. Could have been done in less, but they need to stablize him.

So tell me how much BS I am really full of? None...thank you !!!

We do need more doctors, and you are right this is not the system you grew up with. But if more people would use their Docs, and use the clinics and stayed the hell out of the ER, then things would progress.

[Canadian Blue]

QUOTE(Argus @ Dec 28 2006, 08:26 PM)

We don't even have enough doctors so people can use emergency rooms IN emergencies.

Just come out and say it. You want to pay double for health-care just so that some "poor people" can't get health-care services when they need them.

You obviously know nothing about the strains of the health care system. Do you know how many people repeatedly abuse our healthcare system simply because its free?

As for your comment, it does nothing but trying to shut down a debate because your closeminded. It's no different than the Republican's shouting down debate on Iraq because it was "Un-American", Liberal's and Republican's have alot in common.

You NEED more military spending. That's the last thing I need. See, we can't even agree on what is needed.

So do you support the American's being in charge of our National Defense? Once again you can talk about how we don't need so much spending on the Military, however can't figure out how our country would be able to deal with national emergencies, international crisis, etc.

[Saturn]

You obviously know nothing about the strains of the health care system. Do you know how many people repeatedly abuse our healthcare system simply because its free?

As for your comment, it does nothing but trying to shut down a debate because your closeminded.

So do you support the American's being in charge of our National Defense? Once again you can talk about how we don't need so much spending on the Military, however can't figure out how our country would be able to deal with national emergencies, international crisis, etc.

Abuse is commonplace in just about any system you can imagine but it's no reason to have no system in place. I know my doctor abuses the system by making me come back 4 times before giving me antibiotics for my strep throat.

You have enough money to buy an apple or an orange. Which one do you pick? Now replace apple with health care and orange with military.

[Ricki Bobbi]

Abuse is commonplace in just about any system you can imagine but it's no reason to have no system in place. I know my doctor abuses the system by making me come back 4 times before giving me antibiotics for my strep throat.

The medical society of any province would be very interested to hear about such a case of blatant abuse. If it is real....

[Canuck E Stan]

Abuse is commonplace in just about any system you can imagine but it's no reason to have no system in place. I know my doctor abuses the system by making me come back 4 times before giving me antibiotics for my strep throat.

You went back four times for antibiotics for strep throat, and blame the doctor for abuse?

Wow,talk about abusing the system!

The mouth is pretty big here on the forum,but can't seem to tell the doctor a thing or two after the first trip.

All talk, no action I guess.

[madmax]

Lets partition the country, and those who want the missery and games of living in this shi*t hole of a country can stay, I'll go where the gov't governs on behalf of the people and I can take part in making direct discisions for my country and laws.

Well, what's stopping you. Get the F*** out now. Canada is no Shi*t hole of a country. You are damn lucky to be living in this country. Your a proud Canadian, my a**. I am proud of this country and it's history and its problems are quaint compared to other countries. You act like the big suck that hangs out at the coffee shop.

You are too lazy to vote, why would I ever want your input in to making direct decisions.

So, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

But you won't leave, because you are too comfortable here. Which is why you find it so easy to complain.

[madmax]

I agree, but still have to disagree with this in a fundemental way.

Yup, I want you making direct decisions.

[madmax]

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You obviously know nothing about the strains of the health care system. Do you know how many people repeatedly abuse our healthcare system simply because its free?

I do know the strains on our health care system. But I don't know how many people repeatedly abuse our health care system because it's free?

[Saturn]

Abuse is commonplace in just about any system you can imagine but it's no reason to have no system in place. I know my doctor abuses the system by making me come back 4 times before giving me antibiotics for my strep throat.

The medical society of any province would be very interested to hear about such a case of blatant abuse. If it is real....

The medical society in my province did not care that a doctor infected close to 1000 patients with Hep C over a full decade. I doubt they will care about a doctor asking a patient to come back 3 weeks in a row until the patient goes to another doc to get the necessary prescription.

[Ricki Bobbi]

The medical society in my province did not care that a doctor infected close to 1000 patients with Hep C over a full decade. I doubt they will care about a doctor asking a patient to come back 3 weeks in a row until the patient goes to another doc to get the necessary prescription.

Yeah, more unsubstantiated *facts*. Had a doctor in whatever unnamed province you come from actually infected 1,000 patients over a decade with Hep C it surely would have been news and the medical society definitely would have taken notice, or its members would be facing serious jail time.

You seem to really lack an understanding of how many things work in the real world.

[Saturn]

Yeah, more unsubstantiated *facts*. Had a doctor in whatever unnamed province you come from actually infected 1,000 patients over a decade with Hep C it surely would have been news and the medical society definitely would have taken notice, or its members would be facing serious jail time.

You seem to really lack an understanding of how many things work in the real world.

I understand that something surely isn't working in your head though

[mikedavid00]

Why don't you just move to the US then?

Because their immigration system is setup to keep people OUT. That includes me. I just don't have 'what it takes' to join the US.

You have to realistic - there are very few people in this country that agree with your opinions.

I agree. And that's good for them. I guess you can wave the Canadian flag around non stop and shout out pride while your fellow citizen dies waiting for a surgery. But who cares about that, lets give a refugee $37,000,000 and show the world what Canada is made of.

You guys do that, I'll move to the state of Ohio.

[mikedavid00]

But you won't leave, because you are too comfortable here. Which is why you find it so easy to complain.

I don't leave here because I can't. The immigration system in all other countries is far too strong to let a guy like me in.

Make no mistake, if I could leave this country I would have a long, long time ago. I can say that through my life and families life, we have all helped build this country through over my over 20 years of paying taxes, but I don't feel this place is 'home' anymore.

This is not the Canada I grew up in.

[madmax]

But you won't leave, because you are too comfortable here. Which is why you find it so easy to complain.

I don't leave here because I can't. The immigration system in all other countries is far too strong to let a guy like me in.

I don't believe you. I think it is because you are too lazy to try. I think you are full of excuses why you can't go anywhere.

[Argus]

BULL-SHIT. Maybe wherever you come from you regard a ten hour wait to fix the broken arm of a baby or an elderly woman. I most certainly do not. You know, there was a time we would hear about how the public hospitals in the US had these long, long waits, and we shook our heads about how silly the Americans were. Not now. Now we have those waits too. The difference is that only the poor wait in the US. Most of the rest go to private hospitals and they don't wait any ten hours to have a broken limb set. . Months long waits for diagnostic tests, months long wait for treatment for cancer, years long waits for orthopedic surgery. This is not the system I grew up with.

As someone who has been in far too many hospitals in the last five years I can tell you that is not the case as a rule.

Lets see , had my test results in a week, all four times they did them.Saw a specialist within two weeks for consult. Was told if things developed poorly, then I would be scheduled within a month for surgery.

Watched my dad who at age 73 , while in hospital , be diagnosed with a need for a double bypass. Horrors of horrors, we had to wait four days for them to do it. Could have been done in less, but they need to stablize him.

So tell me how much BS I am really full of? None...thank you !!!

In critical cases, hospitals can act quickly - though again it depends on the hospital. People have died waiting in halls. My own experiences with hospitals:

15 years ago, fell and hit my chin, went in at 2am was seen immediately, x-rayed without any waiting, stitched up, and out the door within an hour.

Last year: Strained my back, in terrible pain, went at 3am, was told there'd be a 6 hour wait - minimum. Went home again. Went to clinic in morning (why aren't clinics open all night since ER's are useless?)

Last four years: Took elderly mother in for broken wrist - twice, waited 10 hours both times. Took father in for broken collar bone, waited 9 hours.

On the radio yesterday, a woman who took her 18 month old baby in to CHEO with a broken arm, and it took her 9 hrs.

[Canadian Blue]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_system

I support using fee's for when patients go into a hospital. Nothing major, however something to cover some of the cost of healthcare as well as a way to ensure people don't abuse the system by using medicare for non-emergencies.

[Fortunata]

Medicare should be used for non-emergencies; in fact one of the biggest downfalls of our system is it is not proactive enough. We don't prevent disease and conditions we treat the symptoms after the fact. Then the costs, of course, are higher than they would have been, never mind the patient is worse off.

[mikedavid00]

I don't believe you. I think it is because you are too lazy to try. I think you are full of excuses why you can't go anywhere.

The difference between me and libs like you, is that i have already researched and studied other countries immigration policies. Canada is the ONLY country that litterly lets poeple fill out an applicatoin and gain enterance.

Why don't you go learn something for once, get some facts, and see how really difficult it is to get into another country.

[Saturn]

I don't believe you. I think it is because you are too lazy to try. I think you are full of excuses why you can't go anywhere.

The difference between me and libs like you, is that i have already researched and studied other countries immigration policies. Canada is the ONLY country that litterly lets poeple fill out an applicatoin and gain enterance.

Why don't you go learn something for once, get some facts, and see how really difficult it is to get into another country.

Not so. Hundreds of thousands of Canadians live in the US, either through the use work visas or obtaining US citizenship. Ohio is waiting for you.

[Figleaf]

Good post, Argus. (Not 100% correct, but definitely a good dicussion.)

I want health care fixed. ...

One thing to do would be to add tons more med-school positions.

I want more democracy in the House, ... MPs to represent their constituents to the House, not represent their party to their constituents.

We need Recall -- make voter-discipline as meaningful as party-discipline.

I want the top three layers of bureacrats in our prison system fired,

Why?

I want all immigration halted, while the department is gutted and rebuilt with new policies designed specifically to bring in only those immigrants who will benefit Canada.

I don't know about radically halting it, but it sure could use some focussed improvement.

I want the military rebuilt. It doesn't have to be huge, but I want it fully equipped with modern, top of the line gear and enough people to do the jobs whatever party in power tells them needs doing.

I have the impression that progress is being made on this one.

I want the RCMP to be given enough money to properly control fraud and smuggling and gun sales, none of which they are really doing now for lack of funds.

Our policing dollar would go a lot further if they didn't waste it on silly things like drug prohibition or spying on harmless citizens (e.g. Tommy Douglas).

I want us to stop giving money to tyrants abroad, and focus our foreign aid only on democratic countries.

I want us to keep our tax money at home, period. People who think we should help foreign lands can donate privately.

[Figleaf]

Would you care to explain to us all how the US meets the definition of a fascist state?

Well, it's ruled by an unelected junta that deals in jingoistic propaganda to sustain a military-industrial complex whose interests run counter to those of the populace at large.

[Figleaf]

I would be out on the steet celebrating if we were a 51's US state.

Lets partition the country, and those who want the missery and games of living in this shi*t hole of a country can stay, I'll go where the gov't governs on behalf of the people and I can take part in making direct discisions for my country and laws.

Why don't you just move there?

[Figleaf]

Because their immigration system is setup to keep people OUT. That includes me.

Was it drugs? Fraud? A sexual offense, perhaps?

[mikedavid00]

I would be out on the steet celebrating if we were a 51's US state.

Lets partition the country, and those who want the missery and games of living in this shi*t hole of a country can stay, I'll go where the gov't governs on behalf of the people and I can take part in making direct discisions for my country and laws.

Why don't you just move there?

Because they have what is known as an 'immigration system'. I'm not allowed to walse into that country and plop myself there and use services like hundreds of thousands from the third world do here in Canada each year.

A company must bring me in on a work permit, I'm not allowed to use any services, and the work permit can only be renewed one time. That company also has to prove that they could not hire an American to do the work. After my work permit expires, I get sent back home unless I get a green card which is a very long, difficult process that most people are not able to achieve.

The above is what is called an 'immigration policy' that keeps people like me out because I'm not 'needed' there.

As far as working there goes, I don't meet the US govt's credentials for entering the US - even if a company did want to sponsor me because I need to have verifiable experience of x amount of years in the exact same required field. (the exception is a 'level 1' desiriable like nurses etc that do not need to necessarily have verifiable experience - just the credentials). They do check these things and applications get rejected every day from people lying to try and get in. When you are rejected, you are never allowed to apply again.

People think because they see hundreds of thousands of people walse in here by simply filling out an applicatoin ordered from the internet and wandering into Canada that other countries have the same program. THEY DO NOT.

Canada has a unique, one of a kind program that is pretty much open to the world. Even if you have cancer or HIV.

The only thing the immigrants need to do is vote Liberal and they can keep f*cking up our policial system and causing Candiands to lose voting power to people who are interested in nother more than sponsoring in their relatives.

This is a UNIQUE thing to Canada.

[geoffrey]

Because their immigration system is setup to keep people OUT. That includes me.

Was it drugs? Fraud? A sexual offense, perhaps?

Good call Fig.

The US has more immigration issues than we could ever dream of. Haven't you ever been to Cali?

And ya, if you have a job lined up in the states, it's actually quite reasonable to move there. It's a destination I'm considering.