Argus Posted November 5, 2005 Report Posted November 5, 2005 There was an interesting news item the other day following a family in Ontario which is one of those testing the new smart meters the Ontario Liberals are going to require in every home and business. After working hard, studying the meters, and doing such things as setting their laundry to start after ten pm when rates were lower, the family saved a whole $1.36 on their month's bill. The smart meters will cost about $500. You do the math. BTW, I wonder if it will emerge that the company which makes these things has strong ties to the Liberal party. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
tml12 Posted November 5, 2005 Report Posted November 5, 2005 There was an interesting news item the other day following a family in Ontario which is one of those testing the new smart meters the Ontario Liberals are going to require in every home and business. After working hard, studying the meters, and doing such things as setting their laundry to start after ten pm when rates were lower, the family saved a whole $1.36 on their month's bill.The smart meters will cost about $500. You do the math. BTW, I wonder if it will emerge that the company which makes these things has strong ties to the Liberal party. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Are you suggesting that your provincial Liberals are more corrupt than their awkwardly related cousins in Ottawa? Quote "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." -Alexander Hamilton
err Posted November 7, 2005 Report Posted November 7, 2005 There was an interesting news item the other day ............... the family saved a whole $1.36 on their month's bill. The smart meters will cost about $500. You do the math. BTW, I wonder if it will emerge that the company which makes these things has strong ties to the Liberal party. Are you suggesting that your provincial Liberals are more corrupt than their awkwardly related cousins in Ottawa? They are guilty all right... but probably not just for the reasons you are surmising. The "Smart Meters" were just a red herring to distract the public from the real issue of the rising price of electricity....The average household in Ontario won't save a whole lot with these "smart meters". It's not like Ontarians will run their furnaces primarily at night, or just plug in the freezer at night.... The "Smart meters" were touted as a means of "saving money for households" in Ontario.... That householders could turn down their heat during the day if/when they are at work, etc... and let industry bear the burdon of the "TRUE COST OF ELECTRICITY".... And your quoted study shows the realities. (Conservative/Liberal definition of TRUE COST OF ELECTRICITY = cost of generation of electricity plus large profits for the company that runs our taxpayer-built generation stations) Off the top of my head, I think that the price differential during the night/day times was about 15%.... 15% of the portions of your electricity bill that you have choices on... for example 15% of 10% = 1.5% The big corruption here is that the Liberals are McGuilty of continuing the Conservative sell-out of our electricity generation system, and they are now going to let prices go even higher.... They're passing the puck (our bucks) to the same team that Mike Harris passed them to.... For all you folks who though that private enterprise would generate electricity more cheaply and efficiently and promoted these Conservative ideals, you deserve the much higher electricity bill you'll get from now on...... Quote
RB Posted November 7, 2005 Report Posted November 7, 2005 this is similar to the drive clean program Quote
Shakeyhands Posted November 8, 2005 Report Posted November 8, 2005 how can you possibly think that that is a bad idea? Perhaps that one family only saved that much in one month, but its more about education. I think they are a great idea and a steal at $500. Good for McGuinty! If you look at it from your angle, it sounds more like something a party that only cares about big business would do.... hmmmmm Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Argus Posted November 8, 2005 Author Report Posted November 8, 2005 how can you possibly think that that is a bad idea? Perhaps that one family only saved that much in one month, but its more about education. I think they are a great idea and a steal at $500. Good for McGuinty! If you look at it from your angle, it sounds more like something a party that only cares about big business would do.... hmmmmm <{POST_SNAPBACK}> A steal? Yes, by McGuinty, with me as the victim. I'm not at all sure why you think these things are a good idea. The meters cost more money than people are going to save - a lot more. Why do you believe that is somehow of help? It will take years to pay off the meters, by which time you'll need to buy new meters. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
August1991 Posted November 13, 2005 Report Posted November 13, 2005 There was an interesting news item the other day following a family in Ontario which is one of those testing the new smart meters the Ontario Liberals are going to require in every home and business. After working hard, studying the meters, and doing such things as setting their laundry to start after ten pm when rates were lower, the family saved a whole $1.36 on their month's bill.The smart meters will cost about $500. You do the math. BTW, I wonder if it will emerge that the company which makes these things has strong ties to the Liberal party. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Argus, do you have a link? Journalists are not always the best people to do research and in any case, I doubt the very short-run effects of a meter would be great.Electricity meters and various pricing schemes are common in other countries where electricity is rare and people are poorer. In Canada, we are thoroughly wasteful with this resource. McGuinty was right to go ahead with their installation. Pricing electricity at its to true cost to society will make Canada a better country. The short-run own-price elasticities range from -0.23 to -0.47. Included in the estimated effects are the direct short-run effects plus one year’s worth of altered fuel choices and equipment purchases (fuel choice effects were not isolated from equipment purchase effects in the simulations). US DOE (The "elasticity" in the quote refers to how people change their use of electricity following a price change.)(Conservative/Liberal definition of TRUE COST OF ELECTRICITY = cost of generation of electricity plus large profits for the company that runs our taxpayer-built generation stations)err, in this case, you not only argue in favour of State ownership of the means of production but you also disagree with the price mechanism! Even the Soviets didn't go that far. Quote
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