The ugly hate-filled Left

[Montgomery Burns]

Ahem!!!!

The radical lefties scrapping with the radical righties. Deadlocked in mortal combat, while nothing productive gets done at all.

Waste of time folks.

Except that I supported Gore and Kerry.

Oh, and BTW, yesterday I bought food and water and loaded food and water on a semi to New Orleans yesterday. I hope you've donated something.

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Good on you Toro.

I sent $100 to the Red Cross on Friday. It may not seem like much, but us Canadians aren't as wealthy as you Americans.

The photos of those innocent black babies on Michelle Malkin's site touched me and convinced me to cough up a $100.

I am quite generous on my own, but I resent it when I am forced - by high taxation - to contribute to causes, because some of these causes I disagree with. Eg, aid to Africa; I believe that most of the money raised for Africa is wasted because the dictators who run most of these countries keep the vast majority for themselves. Until these African countries become democracies, Africa will continue to struggle.

I don't know much about you, but you seem like a reasonable person. Please take your (Democrat) Party back! I believe that the Democrat Party has been hijacked by far leftists (Michael Moore, George Soros, Moveon.org of Bush=Hitler infamy, etc) and the party is doomed if this continues. America needs a strong credible opposition to keep the governing party in line. This usually works the best because a party with so much authority can get drunk on power. This always happens, even though I support the Republicans. A good opposition is best to keep the balance of power.

The Democrat Party has been hijacked by the far left. The US is a right-of-center country and there is no way that the far left will get into power, no matter how much the Bush-hating liberal-controlled media uses their bias to influence public opinion. I saw CNN's Jack Cafferty blaming Bush for not dropping sandwiches into the Superdome. I kid you not!

The one thing I have noticed is that Americans are NOT stupid. They can see through bullshit. Hence their rejection of John Kerry, despite the greatest mass media campaign in favor of a Democrat in, probably, history.

A Joe Lieberman or Evan Baydeh (sp?) would make the Democrats more credible in the eyes of the independents who swing one way or the other. The Loony Liberal Left is pushing most, if not all, of the independents to the Republican Party. Hillary may have name power and fund-raising ability, but she has much baggage after the scandalous 8 years in the White House.

Take your party back from the LLL and elect a left-of-center candidate and you have a chance of getting the White House or at least Congress.

If things go the way they are now, the Democrats have zero chance of winning.

[Argus]

Look again.

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Suppose you point it out to me. I only see where you point to the fact that upgrading the levees would have been a twenty year project. I understand that. I understand no one else undertook this. I didn't ask why Bush didn't. I asked why Bush slashed the funding which was already in place. You still haven't answered.

[Argus]

The Democrat Party has been hijacked by the far left. 

What Montie means is the Democrats aren't controlled by the religious right - damn them!

The one thing I have noticed is that Americans are NOT stupid.  They can see through bullshit.  Hence their rejection of John Kerry, despite the greatest mass media campaign in favor of a Democrat in, probably, history.

Yes, those wise voters were able to discern at once that a nere do well rich boy whose daddy got him into the National Guard (which he deserted) to avoid the Vietnam war, and his vice president, who stayed clear of Vietnam by getting his wife pregnant the instant his college deferment ran out, would be much better military leaders than a man who had volunteered to serve his country in Vietnam and had actually fought and shed blood for his country. Everyone knows men like that are crazed killers or cowards or - or something. I mean, the Swift Boat Veterans can't be wrong!

[Montgomery Burns]

Argus has this quaint notion that it is the citizens of Alaska’s responsibility to pay for a levee protecting the people of New Orleans. Because, as we all know, when people refuse to take an interest in their own well-being, it immediately becomes everybody else’s responsibility to pay for their excesses and indifference.

You really cannot make this argument unless you are an anarchist. You are using an individualist anarchist argument by saying that people should not have to assist one another in emergencies (i.e. Alaska and NO). But then you seem to be a Bush supporter. Last time I looked, Bush spent tax dollars and he is certainly no anarchist. Do you not see how illogical this is?

Maybe Argus has this "quaint" notion because they call themselves the United States of America not the Atomized Individuals of Anarchyland.

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The state is supposed to match federal funds. How difficult is this to understand?

What part of this is so confusing to you?

[Montgomery Burns]

Argus:

What Montie means is the Democrats aren't controlled by the religious right - damn them!

And the Democrats are controlled by the secular left. How Soviet.

After all, the Soviets had such a kind and compassiona te society.

Let's just ignore those 100 million plus innocnets who were slaughtered by the communists in the 20th century.

The f'ing nerve of those Republicans believing in the 10 commandments!

Yes, those wise voters were able to discern at once that a nere do well rich boy...

John Kerry?

...whose daddy got him into the National Guard (which he deserted)

Another Dan Rather fake memos talking point

to avoid the Vietnam war...

Unlike the brave heroic draft-dodging Clinton

and his vice president, who stayed clear of Vietnam by getting his wife pregnant the instant his college deferment ran out...

Cheney should have murdered the baby. "Pro-choice", baby. Woo hoo.

would be much better military leaders than a man who had volunteered to serve his country in Vietnam and had actually fought and shed blood for his country.

And came back and became a traitor to his country by meeting with the VietCong in France and the infamous Winter Soldier hearings.

Everyone knows men like that are crazed killers or cowards or - or something. I mean, the Swift Boat Veterans can't be wrong!

Kerry's campaign admitted that 1) Kerry was "mistaken" when he claimed to be in Cambodia on Christmas Eve in 1968 under orders of President Nixon (even though Nixon was not yet the President), and 2) Kerry's campaign admitted that one of Kerry's Purple Hearts "might" have come from a self-inflicted wound.

On my scorecard, that comes out to:

Swifties - 2

Kerry - 0

But I thank you for playing.

[Montgomery Burns]

Argus:

I asked why Bush slashed the funding which was already in place.

Let's see what the FY2005 budget had in it for disaster relief, shall we?

When a major disaster strikes, assistance is necessary to meet the emergency needs of families and individuals, and to help pay for the rebuilding and repair of critical community infrastructure. DHS has continued to assist States in response and recovery after a disaster. In 2003, there were 62 major disasters and 19 emergencies, in addition to the continued response to previous disasters. This included recovery of the Space Shuttle Columbia, response to the Northeast blackouts, and relief from Hurricane Isabel and the California wildfires. The 2005 Budget provides $2.9 billion for disaster relief—a level consistent with the average non-terrorist disaster costs over the past five years. This includes over $2 billion in new funds, which is over $300 million more than the 2004 appropriation, as well as money expected to remain available from prior years.

Hmm, no cuts there. Indeed, the vast majority of disaster relief funds are provided through supplemental spending bills after a disaster has been declared.

Let's continue:

The Department continues to work towards protecting people and property from damage due to disasters. The Pre-disaster Mitigation program, which helps to minimize the devastation caused by natural disasters, will continue to support well-designed mitigation projects through a competitive grant process. Additionally, DHS is working to replace and modernize the Nation's Flood Insurance Rate Maps.

Wow, look at that. Modernizing the flood insurance rate maps so everyone would know where the greatest need was for improved flood control.

That proves that President Bush is a heartless bastard!

And just how much money are we talking about? In 2004 spending was $3.8 billion. Estimates for FY2005 at the time were for $5.6 billion in spending. But what about the Corps of Engineers, allegedly the subject of massive funding cuts? FY2004 spending was $4.6 billion, projected spending for 2005: $4.7 billion.

I don't know about the loony liberal left, but that sure looks like an increase of $1.8 billion for disaster relief and $100 million for the Corps of Engineers to me.

And...what's this?! The west bank of the Mississippi in Louisiana listed as a priority for the Corps of Engineers?! That can't possibly be true!

Oh, but it is.

Flood/Storm Damage Reduction. The Budget provides $450 million to continue progress on flood damage reduction projects, including projects in Sims Bayou, Texas, and West Bank, Louisiana.

Gee, that changes things a bit, doesn't it? Apparently Argus is simply telling a bunch of lies. I am shocked, shocked I say, to discover that. Doesn't he realize how ridiculous he sounds?

[Toro]

Look again.

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Suppose you point it out to me. I only see where you point to the fact that upgrading the levees would have been a twenty year project. I understand that. I understand no one else undertook this. I didn't ask why Bush didn't. I asked why Bush slashed the funding which was already in place. You still haven't answered.

I've answered it in the other thread.

But just to spell it out for you AGAIN

You said the answer is racism

I can see Bush sitting around with his southern friends and saying, in effect, "There ain't nothin' in New Orleans but niggers and nigger lovers", to a round of appreciative chuckles. "An all of `em vote Democrat. I ain't wasting our money on them."

But you've answered your own question, and you apparently can't see it...

The Bush administration slashed tens of millions from upgrading and mainteance on those levees, some of which had sunk 4 feet in places. Why? At the same time it approved $250 million to build a bridge in Alaska to an uninhabited island. Why? Because it was the pet project of some senator.

So you tell me why those levees were not properly maintained, Toro. They sure as hell had the money to do it. They sure as hell knew they were inadequate. Was it racism and republican arrogance and contempt for a poor democratic district, or criminal negligence? It had to be one or the other. There is no third option.

There are some for whom the democratic process is simply too complex.

Bush was elected to cut taxes. Money was diverted to the war in Iraq. Many programs were cut. He holds responsibility, which I have said a number of times. But it ain't because of racism or criminal negligence.

[Argus]

Argus:

I asked why Bush slashed the funding which was already in place.

Let's see what the FY2005 budget had in it for disaster relief, shall we?

Why? I never said anything about funding for disaster relief. So we'll just delete this.

And just how much money are we talking about? In 2004 spending was $3.8 billion. Estimates for FY2005 at the time were for $5.6 billion in spending. But what about the Corps of Engineers, allegedly the subject of massive funding cuts?

I didn't say the Corps of Engineers itself had had its funding slashed. I said funding for the levees and dikes had been slashed. So we'll just delete this too.

And...what's this?! The west bank of the Mississippi in Louisiana listed as a priority for the Corps of Engineers?! That can't possibly be true!

I didn't say they weren't priorities either. So we'll delete this.

Gee, that changes things a bit, doesn't it?

Nothing, actually.

Apparently Argus is simply telling a bunch of lies.

Apparently you can't read.

I am shocked,

I understand that happens in mental health facilities. Is that where you're writing from?

[Montgomery Burns]

Argus:

I wouldn't be too quick to insult the New Orleans police if I were you.

I do not like to insult the police, but the fact is that some of them were caught on tapelooting along with the thugs in NO.

I respect most of the police but I also live in the city with the highest burglary rate in Canada and the USA. Thank you NDP for breaking your promise of hiring another 200 cops, you socialist "criminals are victims of an unjust society" bastards!

I had my bike stolen last night (second time this summer); it took the cops 9 hours to reply to my call. Granted, a stolen $250 bike isn't a high priority...

Yes, do a google search for highest robbery rate in Canada and the US and you will figure out where I live.

[Argus]

Bush was elected to cut taxes.

I would argue Bush was elected to spend money wisely, not to cut taxes by borrowing money which will have to be paid off in future years.

Money was diverted to the war in Iraq.  Many programs were cut.  He holds responsibility, which I have said a number of times.  But it ain't because of racism or criminal negligence.

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Sorry. We disagree. If he took money away from a desperately important, priority project like this in order to spend it on a bridge to nowhere so as to make a political deal with a senior Republican then he knowingly endangered the people of New Orleans for political advantage. And for what? We're not talking about major money here, not in light of the quarter trillion dollar highway bill, for example. There were two useless bridges funded in Alaska for a total of some five hundred million, more than five times the money slashed from the New Orleans flood control program. Hell, that's small change. They could have taken it out of what Haliburton steals every year.

[Argus]

Argus:

I wouldn't be too quick to insult the New Orleans police if I were you.

I do not like to insult the police, but the fact is that some of them were caught on tapelooting along with the thugs in NO.

A couple. There is corruption on every force. I had my walkman stolen during an emergency at my apartment. It was either one of the ambulance guys or one of the firemen. NYPD has its share of bad apples too, and an NYC cop earns $75k, a helluva good salary and well over twice what New Orleans pays its officers.

There are some people who, if they can pocket a walkman or MP3 player... or a shiny ring... with little apparent risk, will do it. Morality doesn't come with a uniform.

[Montgomery Burns]

Argus:

Why? I never said anything about funding for disaster relief. So we'll just delete this.

I'm busted so let's ignore my previous idiotic comments blaming everything on Bush.

I didn't say the Corps of Engineers itself had had its funding slashed. I said funding for the levees and dikes had been slashed. So we'll just delete this too.

Damn! You caught me again. Ignore my previous comments, you bible-thumping, gun-loving, gay-hating rightwinger.

I didn't say they weren't priorities either. So we'll delete this.

Reichwing hatemonger. I HATE YOU!!

Nothing, actually.

Damn those arrogant facts!

Apparently you can't read.

Says the illiterate one.

I understand that happens in mental health facilities. Is that where you're writing from?

Says the bigot who calls all Republicans racists (and incredibly denies the Democrat Party's racism.

One has to wonder what flavor Kool-Aid Argus is drinking.

I suggest Argus put away the bong for a day or so.

[Toro]

Bush was elected to cut taxes.

I would argue Bush was elected to spend money wisely, not to cut taxes by borrowing money which will have to be paid off in future years.

You would argue wrongly.

[Montgomery Burns]

Bush was elected to cut taxes.

I would argue Bush was elected to spend money wisely, not to cut taxes by borrowing money which will have to be paid off in future years.

You would argue wrongly.

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Grrrr. I'm so envious of your tax cuts.

Canada had a federal election on June 28/04. Ironically this was Canada's Tax Freedom Day. America's Tax Freedom Day was April 11/04 - eleven weeks before Canada.

Ergo, Canadians have to give 21% more of their annual salary for "free healthcare".

Who in the hell spends that much on healthcare - unless you are 70+ years of age?

It's a frickin' joke.

This is what Hillary wants for America.

[Argus]

Bush was elected to cut taxes.

I would argue Bush was elected to spend money wisely, not to cut taxes by borrowing money which will have to be paid off in future years.

You would argue wrongly.

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Then as I previously suggested, the people who voted for him are idiots.

[Argus]

Bush was elected to cut taxes.

I would argue Bush was elected to spend money wisely, not to cut taxes by borrowing money which will have to be paid off in future years.

You would argue wrongly.

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Grrrr. I'm so envious of your tax cuts.

Easy enough to do. All we need to do is run a $50 billion budget deficit, then we could massively cut taxes too.

Canada had a federal election on June 28/04.  Ironically this was Canada's Tax Freedom Day.  America's Tax Freedom Day was April 11/04 - eleven weeks before Canada.

Ergo, Canadians have to give 21% more of their annual salary for "free healthcare".

And a budget which is not only balanced but in surplus. Or have you forgotten that, Mr. "conservative"?

[Toro]

Bush was elected to cut taxes.

I would argue Bush was elected to spend money wisely, not to cut taxes by borrowing money which will have to be paid off in future years.

You would argue wrongly.

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Then as I previously suggested, the people who voted for him are idiots.

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And, as I've argued, people like you just make it harder for the Democrats and easier for the Republicans.

[Guest eureka]

Your "freedom days" have been exposed as inventions. Surely ou know that since no one of consequence gives credence to them anymore: not even the Conservative Party.

The reality of taxation is that Canadians pay less taxes than Americans when healthcare is factored into the calculations for both countries. The lower 50% of Canadians pay less in taxes altogether than the lower 50% of Americans.

The wealthy in Canada do not pay their share, but they are very much closer than the American wealthy.

[Montgomery Burns]

Bush was elected to cut taxes.

I would argue Bush was elected to spend money wisely, not to cut taxes by borrowing money which will have to be paid off in future years.

You would argue wrongly.

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Then as I previously suggested, the people who voted for him are idiots.

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All 62 million of them.

If only they had heeded the wise words of Argus.

[Montgomery Burns]

Your "freedom days" have been exposed as inventions. Surely ou know that since no one of consequence gives credence to them anymore: not even the Conservative Party.

The reality of taxation is that Canadians pay less taxes than Americans when healthcare is factored into the calculations for both countries. The lower 50% of Canadians pay less in taxes altogether than the lower 50% of Americans.

The wealthy in Canada do not pay their share, but they are very much closer than the American wealthy.

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What a pile of pure stinky crap.

And ditto for your claim that "Canadians pay less taxes than Americans when healthcare is factored into the calculations for both countries. The lower 50% of Canadians pay less in taxes altogether than the lower 50% of Americans" would get you laughed out of any serious think tank.

Let's just ignore the fact that Canadians are flocking down to the US for work.

Indeed, I believe that 1975 was the last year where more Americans came to Canada (Vietnam War), than vice versa.

One judges the value of a country by how many people want to get into said country.

Canada is the country who is importing prostitutes and strippers from Eastern Europe.

That's what Paul "we lead the world" Martin and the Liberal Party want.

American families with a $31,000 income pay NO taxes, thanks to Bush's tax cuts.

Canadian families aren't so lucky. :angry:

[Shady]

Did you watch 60 Minutes tonight? They interviewed the head of the Army Core of Engineers. They asked him what would it have taken to prevent the levees from spilling over in a category 4 or 5 hurricane. He said, $1 billion and 20 years ago. If only Bush had the foresight 20 years ago to know that he was one day going to be President when one of the worst hurricanes would hit the United States, he could have run for President in 1984 and added $1,000,000,000 to fix the problem

I saw 60 Minutes. Did you hear that people? Did you hear that "Bush is to blame for everything" people? 20 years ago! 20 YEARS AGO! You're politicizing this whole event! Shame on all of you! And it wasn't even the levees that broke, it was the flood walls. They run for miles around the city. 20 YEARS AGO! Stop with the nonsense. Enough is goddamn enough.

[Montgomery Burns]

Okay, Bush is to blame - for single-handedly causing Global Warming, Global Cooling, Global Climate Instability, AIDS, and the Black Death. Katrina was just a fiendish plot to kill all the blacks in the USA, and to make oil for Bush's greedy multinational buddies from the rotting corpses.

I freely confess to being a mindless dupe who has sold my soul to KKKarl Rove, and take complete responsibility for using my Evil Jooish Kabbalistic powers to steal the election for my Neocon Zionazi masters. And I did it all the way from Canada too.

I am a leech, a Neocon, and not fit to live.

I throw myself down on the floor and beg for that compassionate tolerant liberalism that I always hear about.

[Cartman]

Constructing Argus as "anti-Bush" seems really, well, bizarre to me. I will now set myself to the task of characterizing August as a Jack Layton groupie and Hugo a full fledged communist.

[Montgomery Burns]

Bush was elected to cut taxes.

I would argue Bush was elected to spend money wisely, not to cut taxes by borrowing money which will have to be paid off in future years.

You would argue wrongly.

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Grrrr. I'm so envious of your tax cuts.

Easy enough to do. All we need to do is run a $50 billion budget deficit, then we could massively cut taxes too.

Canada had a federal election on June 28/04.  Ironically this was Canada's Tax Freedom Day.  America's Tax Freedom Day was April 11/04 - eleven weeks before Canada.

Ergo, Canadians have to give 21% more of their annual salary for "free healthcare".

And a budget which is not only balanced but in surplus. Or have you forgotten that, Mr. "conservative"?

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Perhaps Canadians will get another annual $16 "tax cut", Mr Liberal...

With a $9 billion surplus, I am sure our benevolent govt can give us peons back $16 of our money.

But then again any kind of a tax cut is "Americanizing" Canada, an absolute no-no to the brainwahed sheep who watch the CBC.

[Montgomery Burns]

Cartman:

Constructing Argus as "anti-Bush" seems really, well, bizarre to me.

Yeah, I don't understand how anyone would come to that conclusion. Just because he implied that Bush didn't care about the people of New Orleans because they were ni**ers (his word, not mine). And just because he blames Bush for not doing the job of the NO mayor and LA governor.

How in the world could anyone possibly come to the conclusion that he is inflicted with Bush Derangement Syndrome?

It just seems so bizarre.