Iran Executes Gay Teenagers

[crazymf]

Get a job when there is 50% unemployment coutesy of the American social improvement program?

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I don't know how it was before either. I strongly suspect that the whole jihad and terrorist thing is because there's so many young people out of work to begin with. That gives them the time to hang around the educators of the movements, who bring them into the fold, so to speak, with promises of who knows what.

40 virgins?

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear crazymf,

You guys are reading way too much into what he said. It was simple.

What he was saying was the USA was p*ssed off and going to kick some major a**.

We're going to shoot everyone who isn't marching with us and shooting in the same direction.

Is that hard to understand?

It was a simple call to arms to warn countries that they better sound off where they stand and to basically rally support for the war that was coming in one way or another.

False dichotomy? People that speak language like that at a time like this get squashed under tank treads.

Good one, an excellent reduction, to the point, of one view in the matter.

I am somewhat like Black Dog, I have contempt for both sides. I see it as a fight between two symbols, GW Bush and Bin Laden. I see the two representing two bad guys in a gunfight, with almost all the rest of the townsfolk wishing that they both kill each other, so they can get on with their lives.

[crazymf]

So a government that opposses equal rights for women, and gays should get to wipe out another country for, uh, oppossing equal rights for women and gays?

Right, we hang gays in North America regularly.

Hate to burst your bubble, but I was on this forum and oppossing the same stuff I'm opposed to now before you came along. You just happen to be one of the more vocal right-wingers here.

I can appreciate that, but lets keep it friendly without the personal trash, ok?

It was, then as now, bullshit. It's possible to oppose terrorist attacks on civilians and the unsavoury ideology behind them while simultaneously opposing the militaristic, jingoistic garbage from the other side. Both are worth opposing because both are simply flip sides of the same coin.

By the way, you're Canadian: Bush is not "us".

You can oppose whatever and say whatever you want. In real life, however, men of action get things done. If you merely stand there and oppose everything going on nowadays, I guess that's your right, but men have died so you can do it. That's a fact. And if you don't or can't appreciate that then your education hasn't done much for you.

I'm Canadian all right. Born and still in Alberta. We're all North American and if I use the term us to describe our friends, I can. That's my right too.

[crazymf]

I am somewhat like Black Dog, I have contempt for both sides. I see it as a fight between two symbols, GW Bush and Bin Laden. I see the two representing two bad guys in a gunfight, with almost all the rest of the townsfolk wishing that they both kill each other, so they can get on with their lives.

When I was growing up in the 70's, I truly believed that we'd never see another war.

I thought humanity had grown past that. How naive of me.

Your story is ok, but I think they are shooting nuclear bombs at each other, not bullets, and the townspeople are doomed anyway no matter who wins because of the fallout.

In a time like this, when the States is involved in a war, they need all the support they can get, and deserve it. If any other major crisis develops in the world, and they start to lack resources to handle it, their choices will lessen. It could get real ugly, fast.

China, Russia, North Korea? They could all be waiting in the wings for the States to weaken and then start something else. Guess who's in the middle? Us. With our government non-supporters and cerebral Ottawa types saying things like Iran has the same type of government as the States, only to a lesser degree.

That makes me feel safe, having guys like that supporting our country.

[B. Max]

Suggested reading. For the appeasers who believe Bush is the cause of islamic terrorists. How do they explain away the centuries of islamic terrorists before bush was even born. How do they blame Bush for the USS cole, the african embassy's and on and on, before bush was even president. What bush is, is the first one in years to stand up to the islamic conquest to create one islamic state after another and kill anyone who opposes them.

http://www.wndbookservice.com/products/Boo...p?prod_cd=c6805

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear B. Max, (and crazymf)

Suggested reading. For the appeasers who believe Bush is the cause of islamic terrorists. How do they explain away the centuries of islamic terrorists before bush was even born. How do they blame Bush for the USS cole, the african embassy's and on and on, before bush was even president.

What of those who wish to serve neither God nor Mammon? I suppose I should see, hate and fight Islamists with equal passion as I would fight Capitalist warmongers, but I'm not like that. If push comes to shove, though, I guess I'll fight both; them and their gods.

It is not exactly Bush himself that is seen to be in the wrong, just US foreign policy. Bush is merely the present 'quarterback' of the team.

[crazymf]

What of those who wish to serve neither God nor Mammon? I suppose I should see, hate and fight Islamists with equal passion as I would fight Capitalist warmongers, but I'm not like that. If push comes to shove, though, I guess I'll fight both; them and their gods.

It is not exactly Bush himself that is seen to be in the wrong, just US foreign policy. Bush is merely the present 'quarterback' of the team.

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I'm not the most religious guy either, but I'm at ease with the opinion I have too.

[Guest eureka]

How do you come to the opinion that there have been "centuries of Islamic terrorists?" And I doubt that anyone has said that Bush is the cause of Islamic terrorists. I believe that the general opinion is that Bush has exacerbated the problem of Islamic terrorism with policies that seem to have been designed to alienate and anger the Islamic world.

Islamic terrorismaginst the West began, roughly, in the second quarter of the 20th. century as a reaction to the betrayal of the Arab world by the West. It was not mcuch, though, until quite recent times as the frustration grew with the increasing Western presence and control (oil) and thethe Palestinian situation.

[newbie]

What bush is, is the first one in years to stand up to the islamic conquest to create one islamic state after another and kill anyone who opposes them.

http://www.wndbookservice.com/products/Boo...p?prod_cd=c6805

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Well, if you include terrorism in general, Bush was not the first to step up to the plate. In fact, his predecessor had done much to lay the foundation. Here's a few links:

http://www.cdt.org/policy/terrorism/adm-anti-terror-otl.html

http://www.cnn.com/US/9607/30/clinton.terrorism/

http://www.mikehersh.com/Republicans_sabot...r_Efforts.shtml

http://www.buzzflash.com/perspectives/Clin..._Terrorism.html