Hans Island but who's?

[canadian_conservative]

I think Hans Island belongs to Canada. It may be a small island but I am sick of every pathetic whining country in the world trying to take away land from Canada to test are soverenty IE. USA with their ice breaker going into the anadian North, Spain and their war vessel sent into Canadian waters and now Denmark. I think It is time for Canada to act on pathetic countries like these and we should start out by testing on Denmark. Instead of dropping Canadian flags we should drop bombs and fire missiles at Denmark wipe them out take Hans Island and as a bonus take Denmark! That will teach other countries to test us!

[plusgood]

In some ways I agree that Canada should be more aggressive, but I also have to point out that Canada's lack of physical presence in the far North creates the notion that these areas are not under Canadian sovereign control. I believe it is possible for other countries to make a convincing argument that they do not constitute Canadian territory if there is no historic evidence that Canada has been active in these regions. Someone please correct me if I am wrong. I think Canada's best bet is to start sending envoys to these island for scientific research and troops for training exercises. This way the government can claim that Canada is in fact active in these regions.

[canadian_conservative]

I am glad you agree with more aggression.

Canada is starting to train troops up in the North if you watched that special of the national on cbc (it was pretty cool to watch) you should ahev saw the training excersise where they stage somone trying to break into Canadian waters and Canadian ships perform a mock battle. Also we have set up this northern Command which (hopefull) will strenghtn=en are presene their. But yes I agree with you that Canada needs to show are presence more their but I think are Priminister only cares about are southern parts of Canada and his corruption

[crazymf]

Why not just drop a bomb on Hans island and get rid of it?

Next...

[canadian_conservative]

riiiiiiiiight crazymf and kiss away billions of dollars in alledged resources that will go over will. NEXT....

[BHS]

I don't think anyone gives a rat's rear about the island itself. We're more concerned about the way international boundaries will be affected in the surrounding water.

[crazymf]

I know, put a border right down the middle and guard it just like Berlin used to in the cold war. Keep a 6000 man armed battalion there for any trouble that may arise.

Better yet, they can have it on even days and we'll have it on odd days.

Does it really matter if the border is 10 miles here or there in the middle of nowhere???

[canadian_conservative]

I know, put a border right down the middle and guard it just like Berlin used to in the cold war. Keep a 6000 man armed battalion there for any trouble that may arise.

Better yet, they can have it on even days and we'll have it on odd days.

Does it really matter if the border is 10 miles here or there in the middle of nowhere???

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Actually people to gove a crap just look at the millions of people canadians and danes who are involved in this google battleground where both countries are thrashing eachother in forums over it I myslef ar enot one of them I prefer to keep how I feel about Canada having the island to polite arguments and debates but I am just saying people do care about it small or not.

About you wanting to put up a wal so your saying you want Canada to become have communist half democracy thats what your saying comparing us to Germany's Split Communist democracy Berlin wall.

And yes it does really matter I have probably said this over and over their are millins of dollars in resources on that island if Canada really wants to we can go to that island mine the resources and give the damn thing to the Danes if thats a good enough compromise!

[crazymf]

I was joking of course, but trying to illustrate how such a small place can cause a lot of dispute. I'll back out of this thread now because I know nothing about it.

[SirSpanky]

What resources? All I find when I search is that oil companies are searching for oil up there.

[canadian_conservative]

read the news bucko their is gold, and other minerals as I recall as well as liek you said their is oil and wha do you mean by oh just oil their is a world oil shortage as I recall and countries are paying big bucks for oil Canada could become rich if we got oil from Hans Island. So even if their is just oil their, their is a point in fighting the Dutch for this tiny island it's the oil!

[BHS]

read the news bucko their is gold, and other minerals as I recall as well as liek you said their is oil and wha do you mean by oh just oil their is a world oil shortage as I recall and countries are paying big bucks for oil Canada could become rich if we got oil from Hans Island.  So even if their is just oil their, their is a point in fighting the Dutch for this tiny island it's the oil!

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Danes, Dutch, it's all the same.

[SirSpanky]

I didn't say there was oil, I said companies are looking around up there. In fact, the only reference I could find for Hans Island directly, was an oil conglomorate looking at the actual geographic properties of the island, to use in the design of their platforms in arctic water.

Do you have a reference to the gold statement? I'm interested now.

[canadian_conservative]

well I shouldnt have said gold because i cant comfirm theirs gold but on cbc's the national and the winnipeg sun it says their is valuable minerals.

[Army Guy]

Before we start warming up the military. Do Candians really care about soveriegnty or thier sucurity.

[canadian_conservative]

Before we start warming up the military.  Do Candians really care about soveriegnty or thier sucurity.

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What are you talking about buddy? soverenty and securtity are pretty much the same thing. What is the relevence of that point if i may ask?

Well i might as well answer that question why cant we care about both I think most Canadians do care about soverenty because of this hole arctic thing and security enlight of the London Bombings if thats what yiu are implying?

[Army Guy]

canadian_conservative:

What are you talking about buddy? soverenty and securtity are pretty much the same thing. What is the relevence of that point if i may ask?

I'm talking about the Average Canadian and what they think. Security is the ability to protect your soveriegnty they are closely tied together but two completely different things. My piont is Canadians have paid security issues only lip service, and are of the opinion that "who would challange Canada's soveriegnty" and we don't need security.

My question to you is that if we had the security forces required to protect our soveriegnty do you think Denmark would be landing military forces on this island.

Well i might as well answer that question why cant we care about both I think most Canadians do care about soverenty because of this hole arctic thing and security enlight of the London Bombings if thats what yiu are implying?

I did not say you could not care about both, just that the majority of Canadians have other priorities than security...Health care, education, to state a few, and there is little funding for all of it....

[canadian_conservative]

To answer you question. That one is pretty tough The DAnes wouldnt land forces on the island but than again if they were pissed off they would and we do have the security forces to protet are selves against the Danes.

I did not say you could not care about both, just that the majority of Canadians have other priorities than security...Health care, education, to state a few, and there is little funding for all of it....

SOme do some don't and in my oppinion I think right now until are armed forces are restructured so they are adiquit to defend are borders and coasts we should be focused on defense right now. As for health care and education if you think their is little funding for those............ their is over 40 billion dollars for health care if nobody's happy with that move to the US where you have to pay for health care, thats what I say to those people who want it privitised by the way they should go their and with in a year they will coem crawling back to us for free health care again. Also education is taking for advantage here in Canada all kids do is screw around in school and never pay attention while thei are poor kids in Africa, Japan and numerous countries who would love to be in school and have an education right now but cant afford it.

[Army Guy]

canadian_conservative:

The Danes have already landed military forces on that Island during a brief exercise. which sends this message our military does not scare them and they are willing to use military force to back thier claim.

Restructing our military will not give it more capabilities. DND is forced to Restructure because of the lack of funding. it is putting all it's eggs into force generation for missions like Afganistan...which in fact takes away from our ability to defend ourselfs here in Canada.

The proof is in the recent northern exercise we had. operating in Canada's north requires men power and equipment that we don't have.

[canadian_conservative]

canadian_conservative:

The Danes have already landed military forces on that Island during a brief exercise. which sends this message our military does not scare them and they are willing to use military force to back thier claim.

Restructing our military will not give it more capabilities. DND is forced to Restructure because of the lack of funding. it is putting all it's eggs into force generation for missions like Afganistan...which in fact takes away from our ability to defend ourselfs here in Canada.

The proof is in the recent northern exercise we had. operating in Canada's north requires men power and equipment that we don't have.

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We still have the ability to blow the Danes out of the water we are 37th in worlds power full military guess what they have 137th they should be affraid of us and stop being cocky because if Paul Martin had the guts he would be sending are forces down their the blow the Danes away. Hopefull Hillier can persuade him to because I am gettign tired of the Danes.

[Army Guy]

canadian_conservative:

I don't know where you got your info from but our capibilities and thiers are pretty comparable...they have a larger ground element , our airforces are roughly the same. and although thier navy is smaller but they have more subs, and thier ships are built for thick ice ours are not....

[canadian_conservative]

canadian_conservative:

I don't know where you got your info from but our capibilities and thiers are pretty comparable...they have a larger ground element , our airforces are roughly the same. and although thier navy is smaller but they have more subs, and thier ships are built for thick ice ours are not....

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I got my information from probably the same place you get yours. I don't know where you got that but I agree with them haveing more subs because I looked it up but about the larger ground force element I will have to disagree with that. Are ground forces are better equipped than they are considering we have the advanced armored vehicle, One of the few things in Canada's military that we can actually brag about and say it is up to date.

[Army Guy]

canadian_conservative:

got my information from probably the same place you get yours. I don't know where you got that but I agree with them haveing more subs because I looked it up but about the larger ground force element I will have to disagree with that.

I got mine from Janes, they are pretty accurate. below is thiuer equipment holdings compare yourself. Denmark has x 4 brigades were we have only 3.

WORLD ARMIES, DENMARK

Jane's World Armies 2002-2003

Equipment in Service

Armour

MBT: 225 × Leopard 1A5 (105 mm) (58 in store); 51 × Leopard 2A4 (to be upgraded to A5 standard); Recce: 36 × M-95 Eagle; AIFV: 50 × M113A2 (25 mm); APCs: 490 × M-113 and variants (including 50 × 81 mm SP mortars) ; 22 × MOWAG Piranha III armoured reconnaissance vehicles.

Infantry

Pistols: 9 mm SIG P210; 9 mm FN 35; Sub-machine guns: 9 mm M-49; 9 mm H&K MP5A3; Rifles: 5.56 mm Diemarco C7 and C7A1; 5.56 mm M16A1; 7.62 mm G3; Machine Guns: 7.62 mm M-42/59; 12.7 mm MGs (vehicle mounted); ATGW: 120 × TOW (including 50 SP); Anti-Tank: 300e × Bofors AT4; 1,100 × 84 mm Carl Gustav; M72 LAW; 20 × 106 mm RCL M40 (believed to be in store).

Artillery

SP: 76 × 155 mm M-109; Towed: 95 × 155 mm M-114/39; 134 × 105 mm M-101; MRL: 4 × 227 mm MLRS (on order); Mortars:160 × 120 mm Brandt; 338 × 81 mm (including 50 SP).

Air Defence

SAM: 90e × Stinger; AAA: 36 × 40 mm L/60.

Army Aviation

12 × AS-550C2 Fennec (attack with Heli TOW); 12 × Hughes 500M/OH-6 support and observation. The Air Force has 14 × EH 101 on order.

WORLD ARMIES, CANADA

Date Posted: 15 February 2002

Jane's World Armies 11

Equipment in Service

Armour

MBT: 114 × Leopard C-2. Reconnaissance: 190 × Cougar; LAV-25; 203 × Coyote; APCs: 1,200 × M113A1 (including Lynx and TOW variants - 341 recently modernised and a total of 396 to be kept in service); 60 × M-557; 199 × Bison; 269 × Grizzly; 651 × LAVIII Kodiak (494 APCs, 71 TOW under armour, 39 pioneer vehicles, 47 forward observation vehicles);

Infantry

Pistols: 9 mm FN 35; 9 mm C1. Sub-Machine Guns: 9 mm H&K MP5A2. Rifles: 5.56 mm C7; 5.56 mm C8; 7.62 mm FN-FAL; 7.62 mm Parker-Hale; 5.56 mm C9. Machine Guns: 7.62 mm FN-FAL/HB; 7.62 mm FN MAG; 7.62 mm Browning C1; 0.50 Browning M2HB. ATGW: 152 × TOW (including 72 TUA {TOW Under Armour} M-113); 425 × Eryx. Anti-Tank: 66 mm LAW; 1,100 × 84 mm Carl Gustaf; 100 × 106 mm RCL M40. Support Weapons: 2,527 × C7 40 mm grenade launchers.

Artillery

SP: 76 × 155 mm M-109 (58 operational); Towed: 180 × 105 mm M-101(C1/C3); 28 × 105 mm LG1. Mortars: 500 × 60 mm M19 mortar; 165 × 81 mm C3 mortar.

Air Defence

SAM: 22 × ADATS SP (10 with × Super Skyguard FCS); 110 × Javelin S15 (Starburst); AAA: 20 × twin 35 mm GDF-005.

Army Aviation

The army has no organic aviation, however the 10th Tactical Air Group, an Air Command element, is opcon to Land Force Command and consists of the following utility helicopters: 100 × Bell CH-146; 37 × Bell CH-135; 54 × Bell CH-136; 5 × Bell CH-118; 13 × Bell CH-113.

Keep in mind that some of the above equipment is taken out of service or about to be....Such as our Leo's and M109's and most of our M113 vehs...

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Are ground forces are better equipped than they are considering we have the advanced armored vehicle, One of the few things in Canada's military that we can actually brag about and say it is up to date.

When you compare what we have now, to what they have no, there is more to comabt than a good IFV, plus you are forgetting thier Leo IIA5 is one of the best tank in the field today...I think the Danes could hold thier own in any conflict with Canada. Not that is going to happen...it is strictly a what if case at best...

[cybercoma]

I think Hans Island belongs to Canada.  It may be a small island but I am sick of every pathetic whining country in the world trying to take away land from Canada to test are soverenty IE. USA with their ice breaker going into the anadian North, Spain and their war vessel sent into Canadian waters and now Denmark.  I think It is time for Canada to act on pathetic countries like these and we should start out by testing on Denmark.  Instead of dropping Canadian flags we should drop bombs and fire missiles at Denmark wipe them out take Hans Island and as a bonus take Denmark!  That will teach other countries to test us!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Put a Canadian flag on Greenland and be done with it.

[canadian_conservative]

Awsome who do I write the letter to!