Paul Martin - SLIME

[Canuck E Stan]

Things sure have changed with Mr.Dithers and Bono, looks like the once pride of the Liberal Convention is getting the boot from the Dithers. What happened?

http://www.canada.com/national/story.html?...81-563b6230ca19

[Canuck E Stan]

In the news

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/20...hill050701.html

Martin focused his speech on the flag and the Maple Leaf as the symbol of Canada.

"The flag is an enduring presence. It's in our lives wherever we go," said Martin. "It's why we pin it on our lapels, it's why we sew it on our backpacks. It's why, including one of my own sons, tattoo it on ourselves."

Maybe Paul could tattoo one on his ships to show he's a proud Canadian.

[kimmy]

RE::I can't think of any issue where he's taken the initiative.

Well we all know why!  Answer: you're a Conservative!

All the mayors like what he's done. Nova Scotia and NFLD like what he's done!

Of course you think he's done nothing!

I'm not a Conservative, and I've never voted for them in any election. Anyway, so I'm biased... but I'm still correct: Paul Martin's a total pussy.

I believe the Atlantic Accord was an idea that originated with the Atlantic Premiers, not with Paul Martin. I believe people from the Atlantic have been talking for years about getting a bigger chunk of off-shore resources, and that the Liberals put it in their election campaign to try and win support. Say, didn't Nfld Premier Danny Williams have to embarrass Paul Martin publicly to hold him to that campaign promise? I seem to recall something about that... some business about Maple Leaf flags being yanked down, and so-on. So yeah, I kind of don't think it's a very good example of Paul Martin taking the initiative.

-k

[Guest eureka]

Martin certainly did take the initiative over the Atlantic Accord. It was a Liberal campaign issue. The fuss made by Williams was over details after the event.

For a non-partisan commentator, Kimmy, you sure like to expunge any idea of credit for Martin from your posts.

[Argus]

Martin certainly did take the initiative over the Atlantic Accord. It was a Liberal campaign issue. The fuss made by Williams was over details after the event.

Heh. The details being Martin tried to renege on the promise he made during the election.

[kimmy]

Martin certainly did take the initiative over the Atlantic Accord. It was a Liberal campaign issue. The fuss made by Williams was over details after the event.

It was a Liberal campaign issue in the past election. But as I mentioned, it's been a pet issue for Atlantic Canadians for years.

For a non-partisan commentator, Kimmy, you sure like to expunge any idea of credit for Martin from your posts.

And for somebody who's claimed to be non-partisan, you always strike me as quite eager to make excuses for the Liberals.

But for the record, I do think I am able to look at things objectively. If I seem too negative when I'm discussing Martin's record, it's because I take issue with people who I don't think are being objective themselves. I've been accused of being a paid apologist for the Conservatives... in most cases, I believe, simply for applying some objective analysis to claims made by Harper's detractors.

It seems to me that most attempts to discuss the Liberals are met with responses decrying the Conservatives' shortcomings. And it seems to me that most attempts to discuss Paul Martin turn into discussions of how badly Stephen Harper sucks. I try to keep pushing for something better from you guys, because the level of discussion of political discussion in this country frankly makes me quite sad.

-k

[Riverwind]

It seems to me that most attempts to discuss the Liberals are met with responses decrying the Conservatives' shortcomings. And it seems to me that most attempts to discuss Paul Martin turn into discussions of how badly Stephen Harper sucks.  I try to keep pushing for something better from you guys, because the level of discussion of political discussion in this country frankly makes me quite sad.

When someone posts something that says (roughly) 'Martin sucks why would any vote for him?' then an appropriate response is 'Because Harper sucks more'.(Childish wording intentional).

If you are interested in having an abstract discussion on Martin's failings then that is a different issue, however, I am not sure you would get a response that is much more than 'you have point'. In my opinion the only reason Martin has any credebility left is because of the 10 years he spent as a Finance Minister makes people really want to believe that there is a leader in there somewhere and it is just waiting to come out. Eventually, that leader has to show up or people will just give up on him.

[Guest eureka]

I don't think you will find too many of my posts defending the Liberals. You will find many that try to negate the vilification of the Liberals, and Martin, for things they have not done.

That is objectivity.

I agree with you about the level of political discussion in the country. It is all naivete, ignorance, or partisan posturing. (Still better than the US where it is all ignorance)>

How does it help that to claim that objectivity is the condemnation of Martin for everything that has happened in the past year - everything that is good or bad.

[kimmy]

I simply want to talk about facts and issues, eureka. If anything I've said about PMPM has been inaccurate, then you're certainly welcome to point out my mistakes.

I offer the hypothesis that Paul Martin has been a disappointment as Prime Minister, has achieved very little of what he promised, and has shown very little in the way of courage or leadership.

I invite people to discuss Paul Martin's record, and whether his actions as Prime Minister mesh with his stated goals. Surely if there's one person in our country who should be subject to such scrutiny, it would be the Prime Minister.

-k

[cybercoma]

I simply want to talk about facts and issues, eureka.  If anything I've said about PMPM has been inaccurate, then you're certainly welcome to point out my mistakes.

I offer the hypothesis that Paul Martin has been a disappointment as Prime Minister, has achieved very little of what he promised, and has shown very little in the way of courage or leadership.

I invite people to discuss Paul Martin's record, and whether his actions as Prime Minister mesh with his stated goals. Surely if there's one person in our country who should be subject to such scrutiny, it would be the Prime Minister.

-k

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Yeah, well, STEPHEN HARPER SUCKS EVEN MORE!

Sorry, I had to.