Powers of Nightmares

[GostHacked]

Greetings all.

I want to focus on the power of fear. I have been watchng the happenins in the US and abroad for some time. The reasons for the invasion of Iraq is a disgrace to the American people. The ability to dream up the worst case scenario and present it to the public in a way that would let the leaders maintain control.

I am basing allot of this on a documentary I have watched entitles the Powers Of Nightmares : The Rise of the Politics of Fear by Adam Curtis. IT ws quite compelling, I do recommend it for viewing.

It focused around the upcomming neo-conservatives along with a new Christian religious movement to instill fear in the populous about the new prospect of terrorists wanting to attack the US.

My Personal thoughts. (even before watching the documentary)

The invasion was a total farce. Linking Saddam to Al-Quaeda(sp?) and that they had close ties wth the 9/11 highjackers. Without being really conscerned with politics around the world at that time of 9/11, I had to shake my head for the reasons that the US went to war with Iraq. If one thinks that Saddam had much left after he was drivin out of Kuwait (in terms of military might.) they were mistaken. Also I had thought to myself that this will not end here. Just looking at it geographicaly, Iran will be next (stuffed between Iraq and Afghanistan), and now you see all the same rhetoric for Iran that was said about Iraq and Afghanistan for that matter. The US wants to change the world to make them safe. The propability of another 9/11 is going to be reactionary to what the US does around the glode on this War On Terror.

So here let's take a look at some stuff:

THEN : The US claims about Iraq

Yes they have WMD, chemical, bilogical, and are training terrorists from within.

Yes they want to hurt the US.

NOW : They gave up.

No evidence found for the WMDs or anything ELSE related to terrorism. But the spin on it duped the US population. OH but even if we get rid of him, that alone justifies the invasion. No link to the 9/11 highjackers at all.

I could supply links but I am sure most of you are well aware of the timeline.

If you think that invading these countires to make your American society for safe, you are sadly mistaken. There are more terroist attacks around the globe than ever and the US stopped the annual terrorist reports.

Winning the war?

Iraq is a total debacle for the US, this wil have severe long term affects on them. The more they push their agenda, the more likely they WILL be attacked again.

I don't want any flames, or anyone telling me I am an idiot and stupid for realizing this. We can still talk about this without being asshats.

I will end this with, if you instill fear in the people of what MAY happen, and dream up assumtions on assumtions, you can stay in power.

[paranoid joe]

as you do i see no connections between 9-11 and saddam. i also believe that the us did not act rationally in its invasion of iraq. but as for the invasion of iran? no. iran is a major country, with a large military and over 60 million people. such an invasion would have to be extremly well thought out, and it would need support of the un and america's 'allies'. otherwise, it would practically ruin both americas economy and army as new recruits are harder to come by with all the fighting.

The more they push their agenda, the more likely they WILL be attacked again.

and i suppose you approve of the deaths of american civilians as much as you think g. b. approves of the deaths of iraqi civilians, as for me i disapprove of all unneccesary violence. i think that few of the united states problems were solved by either wars; the worldwide 'distaste' for americans is simply strong.

[GostHacked]

and i suppose you approve of the deaths of american civilians as much as you think g. b. approves of the deaths of iraqi civilians,

Assuming I support the death of Americans is not a good idea. But after the unneccessary invasion of Iraq, the whole patriotic thing around 9/11 really looses it's meaning. It is a shame indeed that many lost their lives, but there is no justification of it when you are 100% wrong for the reasons GWB invaded Iraq. You are totaly dishonouring their deaths for something that is not even remotely related to the incident.

And really GWB is just a puppet in the whole scheme of things. It's people like Wolfowitz, Cheney, and Rumsfeld who are the real string pullers in this situation. They have been at this alot longer than Bush has even held any form of political office.

On the Iran note:

Iraq had one war that tore down it's military machine. Then after years of sanctions, their economy went to the toilet, therefore not being able to afford all those weapins that the US said they had.So it could not survive another. Iran can slowly be whittled down through sanctions ect. just like the US likes to do with anyone that does not see it their way. Iran has been on their agenda for some time. So the plan is already underway. It will just take some time.

[PatM]

Here's the link to the videos and story

BBC: The Power of Nightmares

You might also want to watch Iraq, Tony & The Truth

[GostHacked]

You might also want to watch Iraq, Tony & The Truth

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I will watch this week. The more of this that is out there the better.

[luohan]

Fear is a useful tool in propaganda, it has to be accompanied by ignorance however. In the case of the U.S., Bush is exploiting the ignorant majority (those besides the rich people who voted for him) to further his agenda. Bush is a genious, his downfall is in thinking that nobody would notice.

[GostHacked]

Fear is a useful tool in propaganda, it has to be accompanied by ignorance however. In the case of the U.S., Bush is exploiting the ignorant majority (those besides the rich people who voted for him) to further his agenda. Bush is a genious, his downfall is in thinking that nobody would notice.

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Bush is no way one of the people who started this whole fear buisness. But I agree that he (and the powers that control him) used it extensivley. Rummy and Co. are the ones that are doing everything. So it would be the others downfall that no one would notice the idiot puppet president.

But yes I agree the brilliance in the proceesings is to have Bush look like and act like an idiot president so the real gears can work in the background. Rummy, from the documentary is one of the people who started it all. THAT man, along with Cheney ect, are the ones that are pulling the strings. Bush may not know all that is going on. A President never knows everything that goes on in the government, the Military would end up telling him what he needs to know.

Have you seen the documentary? Watch it. It is scary stuff.