Racism?

[Slavik44]

Slavik, maybe you would care to explain why Asian and Jewish households, despite being the subject of discrimmination for decades, have the highest educational and income levels compared even to native born white households. All of this without AA.

Well for one I did admit AA was not a neccesity for change, I did not argue that you must have it.

While I cannot provide a perfect answer to your situation I can offer a few possibilities.

Although Asians have been in North America for a long time, I guess if we count natives they were here for a very very long time. But anyways the majority of Asians living in Canada have immigrated recently within the past few generations, my point being that immigration standards are fairly high, we do not accept your average garbage man from tiawan into Canada, we instead attempt to get the best and the brightest. So generally speaking Asian Canadians can be succesful despite lingering affects of discrimination because they are generally speaking above average.

Why Jews? I think with Jews we deal with a very sensitive subject, the holocaust one of the greatest tragedies of the century. I think it is fairly welld ocumented and most people know and are truly appalled by not just the holocaust but statements by a prime miniser who said none is to many, I would say there is much more vigallance whenit comes to discrimination against Jews.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Are you kidding me? You'd actually rather have people hired based on their skin colour than merit?

Disgusting. Affirmative action is just that. No place in a democratic society.

Let me make this perfectly clear, even though most minorities do not suffer from discrimination like they did in the past the affects of this discrimination still linger today. Because they still linger today, they can provide people who were not discriminated against with an advantage, an advantage based upoun past wrongs. The discriminationof yesterday affects the people of today, not only does it affect those who were discriminated against but it also elavates those who were not discriminated against. And therefore we continue to perpetuate the discriminationof the past because the discrimination of the past not only put up bariers it also allowed for other people to be eleavated over such minorities.

Next I do not belive we should make your local black pimp the head of General motors, but I do belive we can give consideration to skin colour when hiring for low level positions. Because at low level positions it is not hard to find people who can perform the required tasks perfectly fine, in that way we are not hiring someone under qualified to do the job, We are meerly hiring one qualified person over another qualified person, this done in cases where there is little substantial difference between the candidates, and in my previous posts I did say that there have been problems implementing this, so that AA can go to far, but that doesn't change the fact that it can also do good.

A little affirmative action is a bit like a progressive tax system, we are taking from everyone but we ask a little more from the rich, in the Case of AA those who have collectively benifieted from past wrongs. However unlike taxes if AA were implemetned responsibley it would be over before you die and those you leave behind would not face the prospect of AA.

So in short:

Because my grandpa discriminated against someone else's grandpa 50 years ago I have no hope in applying to a job that carries the disclaimer "we are an EQUAL opportunity employer."

Memo from Slavik: a little discrimination goes a long way.

Wonder what will happen in 50 years?

[Renegade]

Well for one I did admit AA was not a neccesity for change, I did not argue that you must have it.

While I cannot provide a perfect answer to your situation I can offer a few possibilities.

Although Asians have been in North America for a long time, I guess if we count natives they were here for a very very long time. But anyways the majority of Asians living in Canada have immigrated recently within the past few generations, my point being that immigration standards are fairly high, we do not accept your average garbage man from tiawan into Canada, we instead attempt to get the best and the brightest. So generally speaking Asian Canadians can be succesful despite lingering affects of discrimination because they are generally speaking above average.

That does seem to prove the point that those who are above-average WILL rise to the top, without any need for AA. I've already pointed out some of the negatives of AA.

Why Jews? I think with Jews we deal with a very sensitive subject, the holocaust one of the greatest tragedies of the century. I think it is fairly welld ocumented and most people know and are truly appalled by not just the holocaust but statements by a prime miniser who said none is to many, I would say there is much more vigallance whenit comes to discrimination against Jews.

If Jews can rise because of more vigalance when it comes to discrimmination against Jews, perhaps we would be wise to focus our efforts on more vigilance against discrimmination against all groups instead of programs like AA.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Well for one I did admit AA was not a neccesity for change, I did not argue that you must have it.

While I cannot provide a perfect answer to your situation I can offer a few possibilities.

Although Asians have been in North America for a long time, I guess if we count natives they were here for a very very long time. But anyways the majority of Asians living in Canada have immigrated recently within the past few generations, my point being that immigration standards are fairly high, we do not accept your average garbage man from tiawan into Canada, we instead attempt to get the best and the brightest. So generally speaking Asian Canadians can be succesful despite lingering affects of discrimination because they are generally speaking above average.

That does seem to prove the point that those who are above-average WILL rise to the top, without any need for AA. I've already pointed out some of the negatives of AA.

Why Jews? I think with Jews we deal with a very sensitive subject, the holocaust one of the greatest tragedies of the century. I think it is fairly welld ocumented and most people know and are truly appalled by not just the holocaust but statements by a prime miniser who said none is to many, I would say there is much more vigallance whenit comes to discrimination against Jews.

If Jews can rise because of more vigalance when it comes to discrimmination against Jews, perhaps we would be wise to focus are efforts on more vigilance against discrimmination against all groups instead of programs like AA.

There is no valid reason for AA. It's just lefties' short sighted solution for feeling better about past wrongs. Lefty's are all about what "feels good", while cons look for viable solutions.

[Slavik44]

So in short:

Because my grandpa discriminated against someone else's grandpa 50 years ago I have no hope in applying to a job that carries the disclaimer "we are an EQUAL opportunity employer."

I have repeated this countless times, there are flaws in how the political system has implemented AA, I am not here to defend those flaws, the current system is very poorly run.

Memo from Slavik: a little discrimination goes a long way.

I belive that would be memo to Slavik, I certainly did not send you such a memo.

Wonder what will happen in 50 years?

Well we might all starve to death, or maybe the government will have camereas and wiretaps in all our houses, or maybe the ocean level will rise 150 feet flooding coastal cities, or the earth might enter an ice age, or turn into a desert, we might have a nuclear war, or all get blown up by terrorists, or our petroleam based economy will collapse and we will live like cavemen for the rest of our lives, a deadly virus will spread through out the world killing 90% of us and destroying the civilization we once had, the cancer rate will spiral out of control and we will all die, the baby boomers will get old die and leave the country in crumbles, the next generation of pot heads and punks will destroy everything their parents built for them and leave the world in ruins, a new computer virus will strike death to the financial system of the western world reducing us all to sobbing children, we will run out of drinking water and die of thirst, an asteriod will strike the earth wiping out our species and leave the world to be dominated by someone else, there are plenty of theories about what will happen in 50 years do you honestly think you have the answer? And even if you do, in comparison to the above, is it really that bad?

There is no valid reason for AA. It's just lefties' short sighted solution for feeling better about past wrongs. Lefty's are all about what "feels good", while cons look for viable solutions.

Viable solutions???? While I respect renegades position and can recognize he makes very valid points, your being nothing more than a troll.