Why all the worldwide turmoil? (9/11 thread)

[Omni]

5 minutes ago, hot enough said:

Your evidence overwhelms. Debris cannot form in a perfect cylinder shape.

I repeat, Yet you provide nothing to substantiate your claim. Why is there always this blanket claim but no evidence/proof?

 

http://debunkingnoplanes.blogspot.ca/2014/05/the-nose-out-fallacy.html

[hot enough]

Ten thousand pages in the NIST "report" on the collapse of the twin towers and nothing on how the towers came down.

Why was NIST able to perform a "study" on WTC7 to try and determine its collapse?

Why did NIST deny free fall for building 7 and then accept free fall?

Why did NIST deny molten steel when there were so many firemen, first responders, cleanup contractors/workers, demolition experts, structural engineers, who described it?

Why did NIST state that the molten steel see flowing from WTC2 minutes before it was demolished was aluminum, when they knew full well that it was not aluminum and that it could not be aluminum?

Here's Leslie Robertson, you know who he is, don't you?, describing molten steel in the basement of WTC. Watch from 5:20 on to about 7:00. It destroys these latter two myths of NIST. 

 

[Omni]

6 minutes ago, hot enough said:

how the towers came down.

Impact, heat, gravity. You don't need thermite.

[hot enough]

20 minutes ago, Omni said:

http://debunkingnoplanes.blogspot.ca/2014/05/the-nose-out-fallacy.html

Thank you, Omni. Those are all live shots that make it hard to see. I'll continue to study them.

The video I provided stops the motion, walks it thru very slowly, which is what is needed to see such an obviously high speed object. Look at that video. 

[hot enough]

7 minutes ago, Omni said:

Impact, heat, gravity. You don't need thermite.

Yes, you do. And the reason is, it was there. Nanothermite, unreacted particles, also the by product of thermitic reactions, iron microspheres creating "a unique chemical signature of WTC dust containing about 6% iron microspheres/normal dust <1%" that allowed Deutsche Bank to be successful in their lawsuit. 

There was no legal/legitimate fuel that could have caused the above or the molten/vaporized steel, the molten molybdenum, the vaporized lead. Thermite/thermate can do all that. The new super explosive, Nanothermite can do that and much more.

Here's the US scientists who developed the new super explosives, describing why nano scale explosives are so much better than regular explosives/thermite/thermate.

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Energetic materials are made in two ways. The first is by physically mixing solid oxidizers and fuels, a process that, in its basics, has remained virtually unchanged for centuries. Such a process results in a composite energetic material such as black powder. The second process involves creating a monomolecular energetic material, such as TNT, in which each molecule contains an oxidizing component and a fuel component. For the composites, the total energy can be much greater than that of monomolecular materials. However, the rate at which this energy is released is relatively slow when compared to the release rate of monomolecular materials. Monomolecular materials such as TNT work fast and thus have greater power than composites, but they have only moderate energy densities-commonly half those of composites. "Greater energy densities versus greater power—that's been the traditional trade-off," says Simpson. "With our new process, however, we're mixing at molecular scales, using grains the size of tens to hundreds of molecules. That can give us the best of both worlds-higher energy densities and high power as well."

https://str.llnl.gov/str/RSimpson.html

 

[Omni]

Just now, hot enough said:

Yes, you do. And the reason is, it was there. Nanothermite, unreacted particles, also the by product of thermitic reactions, iron microspheres creating "a unique chemical signature of WTC dust containing about 6% iron microspheres/normal dust <1%" that allowed Deutsche Bank to be successful in their lawsuit. 

There was no legal/legitimate fuel that could have caused the above or the molten/vaporized steel, the molten molybdenum, the vaporized lead. Thermite/thermate can do all that. The new super explosive, Nanothermite can do that and much more.

Here's the US scientists who developed the new super explosives, describing why nano scale explosives are so much better than regular explosives/thermite/thermate.

 

Once again, a beer can in a campfire. All you need.

[hot enough]

Nanothermite is a real thing, a new generation of super explosives. 

Gravity collapses cannot pulverize concrete in the fashion that the concrete was at WTC - pyroclastic like clouds, including the heat though obviously was not as hot as a volcano. Witnesses reported being hit by powerful clouds of heated, some said, gravel and sand.  [bolding is mine]

 

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L. Paul Bremer was on the international advisory board for the Japanese mining and machinery company, Komatsu. At the time, Komatsu had been involved in a joint venture agreement with Dresser Industries, the oil-services/intelligence front in which Prescott Bush Sr. and George H. W. Bush got their start with Neil Mallon. The Komatsu-Dresser mining division operated from 1988 to 1997. In July 1996, it patented a thermite demolition device that could "demolish a concrete structure at a high efficiency, while preventing a secondary problem due to noise, flying dust and chips, and the like." 

Taku Murakami, US Patent 5532449 - Using plasma ARC and thermite to demolish concrete, http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5532449/description.html

http://911review.com/articles/ryan/demolition_access_p1.html

 

 

[hot enough]

16 minutes ago, Omni said:

Once again, a beer can in a campfire. All you need.

Why are you avoiding the US Lawrence Livermore scientists describing the nanothermite, the same nanothermite that was found at WTC?

[Omni]

1 minute ago, hot enough said:

Why are you avoiding the US Lawrence Livermore scientists describing the nanothermite, the same nanothermite that was found at WTC?

Not avoiding it at all. Just telling you how easy it is to make.

[hot enough]

In this video, you can see how a self admitted explosives amateur can melt and cut steel beams, showing that your "debunkers" like Nat Geo, Popular Distortions magazine, Uof NM, ... are poseurs. 

At 11:05 on, watch closely, you can see a human being being exploded out a WTC twin tower window. How is this possible when the US official conspiracy theory says No bombs/no explosives?

But yet, George Bush describes the same at the twin towers after the planes hit and before the collapses. 

How are all these impossibilities possible, Omni? How can you maintain you impenetrable wall of what is obviously delusion?

 

[hot enough]

23 minutes ago, Omni said:

Not avoiding it at all. Just telling you how easy it is to make.

Please stop it. You cannot make thermite at the NANO scale. It is NOT powders that have been ground down like regular thermite/thermate. It is a made upwards process at the NANO scale. 

Describe how that is easy to make. Provide a source that backs you.

Did you read the LL lab scientists' explanation. Steven Jones, a PhD, says he has absolutely no idea how they make it.

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[Omni]

2 minutes ago, hot enough said:

Please stop it. You cannot make thermite at the NANO scale. It is NOT powders that have been ground down. It is made upwards process at the NANO scale. 

Did you read the LL lab scientists' explanation. Steven Jones, a PhD, says he has absolutely no idea how they make it.

I've read a lot of science on the issue. And it boils down to (pardon the expression) start with severe impact, add a lot of heat, stir with a normal amount of gravity, and you get building collapse. No need to convince thousands of people to keep their mouths shut while you drill holes under their desks and implant explosives in their office buildings because the government wants to create a scenario to launch an illegal war. Although now I think of it, it might make a good movie idea. It's amazing what people will buy. 

[hot enough]

11 minutes ago, Omni said:

I've read a lot of science on the issue.

Obviously science means nothing to you, Omni, as you refuse to address the science. Nobody who suggests they can make nanothermite knows anything about science or reads anything abut science.

Why are you still studiously avoiding the LL Lab scientists describing the new, only US, non-commercially available nanothermite. 

There are the myriad other things that your "science" fails you on, the cylinder coming out of WTC2, the NEW US nanothermite, which was found at WTC, in the dust. The large volume of iron microspheres, a product of thermitic reactions, found in WTC dust, the molten steel, the NIST lies, the wrong engine on Murray Street, the ... .

[Omni]

1 minute ago, hot enough said:

Obviously science means nothing to you, Omni, as you refuse to address the science. Nobody who suggests they can make nanothermite knows anything about science or reads anything abut science.

Why are you still studiously avoiding the LL Lab scientists describing the new, only US, non-commercially available nanothermite. 

There are the myriad other things that your "science" fails you on, the cylinder coming out of WTC2, the NEW US nanothermite, which was found at WTC, in the dust. The large volume of iron microspheres, a product of thermitic reactions, found in WTC dust, the molten steel, the NIST lies, the wrong engine on Murray Street, the ... .

Well again your science is faulty, and again you ignore the complex issue of how you get enough people involved to load the buildings with explosives and then keep them all quiet. I guess your infatuation with beer cans and fire cloud your overall vision.

[hot enough]

25 minutes ago, Omni said:

And it boils down to (pardon the expression) start with severe impact, add a lot of heat, stir with a normal amount of gravity, and you get building collapse.

Buildings designed for those impacts, then accelerating collapses which cannot happen with a gravity collapse. Micron size pulverized concrete, 220 acres of 4 to 5 inches thick, with reinforcing steel, which takes an enormous amount of energy, when all that energy is needed to crush the lower portion.

The lower 70 floors of WTC1 were stone cold, much much stronger steel than what fell on them and they didn't resist at all. You know that is completely impossible. 

Edited June 9, 2017 by hot enough

[hot enough]

7 minutes ago, Omni said:

Well again your science is faulty, and again you ignore the complex issue of how you get enough people involved to load the buildings with explosives and then keep them all quiet. I guess your infatuation with beer cans and fire cloud your overall vision.

That has nothing to do with science. Why do you make claims to science when you don't do science?

How did the nanothermite get there? Answer all the other questions on science that have been posed. 

[Omni]

1 minute ago, hot enough said:

Buildings designed for those impacts,

No they weren't.

[hot enough]

7 minutes ago, Omni said:

No they weren't.

Address all the other impossibilities that were raised first and then we can address this. 

[Omni]

Just now, hot enough said:

Address all the other impossibilities that were raised first and then we can address this. 

 

1 minute ago, hot enough said:

Address all the other impossibilities that were raised first and then we can address this. 

The buildings were designed to withstand impacts from aircraft the size of airliners at 250KTS. not 500KTS. Now if you're so into science you should know something about (impact=mass X velocity). Apply that and you will see what brought the buildings down.

[hot enough]

9 minutes ago, Omni said:

 

The buildings were designed to withstand impacts from aircraft the size of airliners at 250KTS. not 500KTS.

Address all the other science issues that were raised first and then we can discuss this.

[Omni]

1 minute ago, hot enough said:

Address all the other science issues that were raised first and then we can discuss this.

Aluminum + rusty steel+burning fuel+high volume air causing heat+extreme heat from friction caused by gravity. That's that.

[hot enough]

9 minutes ago, Omni said:

Aluminum + rusty steel+burning fuel+high volume air causing heat+extreme heat from friction caused by gravity. That's that.

That's your science, Omni. 

[Omni]

1 minute ago, hot enough said:

That's your science, Omni. 

OK then. So what's left, oh yeah the speed thing.

[hot enough]

11 minutes ago, Omni said:

OK then. So what's left, oh yeah the speed thing.

The US invented, US produced, non-commercially available nanothermite, the molten/vaporized steel, the iron microspheres, ... myriad things you all are studiously avoiding.

Edited June 9, 2017 by hot enough

[Omni]

Just now, hot enough said:

The the US invented, US produced, non-commercially available nanothermite, the molten/vaporized steel, the iron microspheres, ... myriad things you all are studiously avoiding.

It's all about the heat generated.