Husky spills 200k litres of crude into river

[The_Squid]

Husky Oil said a leak from one of its pipelines spilled about 200,000 litres of heavy oil mixed with a thinning chemical into the North Saskatchewan River near Lloydminster, Sask., Thursday.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/saskatchewan-government-husky-energy-pipeline-leaks-oil-1.3690178

Another example , if any more were needed, of why BC doesn't want Northern Gateway.

[poochy]

Luckily BC doesn't use any oil and can refuse to allow pipelines without being massive hypocrites.

And this is an impossibly large spill, something the human race should not stand for, no matter how much benefit we gain from oil. This spill would almost fill one Olympic size swimming pool, and is in volume almost as much water as the North Saskatchewan river discharges every second of every day, huge.

http://baiesaintemarie.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/cape-st-marys-lighthouse.jpg

Thank goodness the adults in BC won't let their coast turn out like the Bay of Fundy coast of Nova Scotia, all that brown stuff in the picture must be oil.

[Peter F]

Wow. It's no biggy to spill oil into a river? I suggest it is a big deal - even to Husky, let alone North Battleford, - thus Husky's endeavours to contain it and probably take steps to ensure it never happens again. Its a mere bagatelle.

[Argus]

Wow. It's no biggy to spill oil into a river? I suggest it is a big deal - even to Husky, let alone North Battleford, - thus Husky's endeavours to contain it and probably take steps to ensure it never happens again. Its a mere bagatelle.

Do you own a car? Do you ever ride in a car? Do you know how many people die in car accidents every year? So why do we have cars? Why not ban them? And trucks, of course. And aircraft, of course. They kill people every year. Ban them all.

You want oil to power and gas to power and heat your home and vehicles but don't want to have any environmental drawbacks. Well, that's not currently possible. Perhaps some day, but not in the near future. That means we need to have pipelines to distribute that oil. We can require they be as safe as possible but to ban pipelines is patently ridiculous. And I note BC has lots of pipelines drawing in oil and gas for their own use. Hypocrites.

[jacee]

Luckily BC doesn't use any oil and can refuse to allow pipelines without being massive hypocrites.

And this is an impossibly large spill, something the human race should not stand for, no matter how much benefit we gain from oil. This spill would almost fill one Olympic size swimming pool, and is in volume almost as much water as the North Saskatchewan river discharges every second of every day, huge.

http://baiesaintemarie.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/cape-st-marys-lighthouse.jpg

Thank goodness the adults in BC won't let their coast turn out like the Bay of Fundy coast of Nova Scotia, all that brown stuff in the picture must be oil.

Who the hell has such poor security/surveillance, and such large profit margins, that they lose 200k liters (or much more) of their product ... without noticing until it's gone, and they don't care, deny and dismiss it?

If there weren't so many spills, and such poor response,maybe there wouldn't be so much opposition to pipelines, poochy.

[Guest]

Wow. It's no biggy to spill oil into a river? I suggest it is a big deal - even to Husky, let alone North Battleford, - thus Husky's endeavours to contain it and probably take steps to ensure it never happens again. Its a mere bagatelle.

It's a big deal. It's a bigger deal to burn a town to the ground. If the product is to be moved, pipelines are the best way to move it.

[Peter F]

Do you own a car? Do you ever ride in a car? Do you know how many people die in car accidents every year? So why do we have cars? Why not ban them? And trucks, of course. And aircraft, of course. They kill people every year. Ban them all.

Who says ban? Nobody. Shall I now claim that Argus thinks automobile deaths are great? Argus actually wants more autodeaths because he is against banning automobiles?

Oil spills are bad things are they not? Of course they are. So lets stop pretending that oilspills are nothing and automobile accidents are nothing shall we?

Pooches comments were that the oilspill is a mere 1 second discharge of the NSaskR. An olympic sized pool of oil. Big elfin whoop. My complaint is that it is a big whup.

Pooches comment is that folks against oil pipelines where there were none before actually worry that the pipes will fail and there will be an oil spill? What Fantasy! Of course there will be oil spills, says Pooch, Oil spills are absolutely necessary!

[Peter F]

It's a big deal. It's a bigger deal to burn a town to the ground. If the product is to be moved, pipelines are the best way to move it.

Towns are burnt to the ground not due to lack of pipelines but due to shitass regulations that allow trains to be unattended - unattended for the sole purpose of saving money. Thats why towns burn the ground.

[Guest]

Towns are burnt to the ground not due to lack of pipelines but due to shitass regulations that allow trains to be unattended - unattended for the sole purpose of saving money. Thats why towns burn the ground.

Yeah, same reason pipelines leak.

[Peter F]

Yeah, same reason pipelines leak.

exactly.

[Guest]

exactly.

So we're back where we started. If the regs are not good enough/followed well enough, I'd rather the pipeline leaked.

[Peter F]

So we're back where we started. If the regs are not good enough/followed well enough, I'd rather the pipeline leaked.

So we accept then that regs are not good enough or followed well enough. So let us not bother with them?

[Guest]

So we accept then that regs are not good enough or followed well enough. So let us not bother with them?

Why ever not?

[Peter F]

Argus:

We can require they be as safe as possible but to ban pipelines is patently ridiculous.

And this particular leak of a 200kl of oil by Husky should be looked into, should it not? Did Husky do their utmost to make the line as safe as possible?

[Peter F]

Why ever not?

So we agree then! Regulations are a good thing - when appropriate and reasonable. Oil spills are not good things and should somehow be avoided if at all possible. Towns burning to the ground due to unattended fuel laden trains' brakes failing are things to be avoided too.

I think we can all agree on that.

[Guest]

So we agree then! Regulations are a good thing - when appropriate and reasonable. Oil spills are not good things and should somehow be avoided if at all possible. Towns burning to the ground due to unattended fuel laden trains' brakes failing are things to be avoided too.

I think we can all agree on that.

I do too.

[Argus]

Who says ban? Nobody.

A hell of a lot of people in BC.

[Argus]

So we agree then! Regulations are a good thing - when appropriate and reasonable. Oil spills are not good things and should somehow be avoided if at all possible.

Fully agree, but not to the extent of banning new oil pipelines.

[Peter F]

A hell of a lot of people in BC.

Good for them. They get enough oil right now without the pipeline. Why should they put up with oilspills? But you and I already know why they should put up with oilspills: So's oil company's can ship fuel to Japan cheaper than they do now. Big motivation there for folks in BC.

[jacee]

Luckily BC doesn't use any oil and can refuse to allow pipelines without being massive hypocrites.

And this is an impossibly large spill, something the human race should not stand for, no matter how much benefit we gain from oil. This spill would almost fill one Olympic size swimming pool, and is in volume almost as much water as the North Saskatchewan river discharges every second of every day, huge.

http://baiesaintemarie.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/cape-st-marys-lighthouse.jpg

Thank goodness the adults in BC won't let their coast turn out like the Bay of Fundy coast of Nova Scotia, all that brown stuff in the picture must be oil.

Who the hell has such poor security/surveillance, and such large profit margins, that they lose 200k liters (or much more) of their product ... without noticing until it's gone, and they don't care, deny and dismiss it?

If it was beer, they'd notice.

If there weren't so many spills, and such poor response,maybe there wouldn't be so much opposition to pipelines, poochy.

.

[Argus]

Good for them. They get enough oil right now without the pipeline. Why should they put up with oilspills? But you and I already know why they should put up with oilspills: So's oil company's can ship fuel to Japan cheaper than they do now. Big motivation there for folks in BC.

It's not a matter of cheaper. It's a matter of shipping it to Japan or China or wherever so they can make a lot more money - and employ a lot of people, and pay a lot more money to various levels of government, which then go on to help fund all those nice programs the people of BC enjoy.

[The_Squid]

A hell of a lot of people in BC.

This is a straw man you set up to argue against. No one here mentioned a ban.

[poochy]

This is a straw man you set up to argue against. No one here mentioned a ban.

disingenuous, as usual, as if your opinion doesn't imply a ban, again, what a joke, this is what passes for reasoned arguments to those who can't make them.

[poochy]

Argus:

And this particular leak of a 200kl of oil by Husky should be looked into, should it not? Did Husky do their utmost to make the line as safe as possible?

Surely, but it is effectively impossible to prevent all leaks, now what? When are all of you going to stop using oil? Why is it ok if the oil you use leaks from a pipeline in something other than perfect, untouchable BC and be spoils that environment? What if we lived in a slightly different world and the other provinces or countries oil has to pass through decided that while we need it, they aren't happy being solely responsible for its potential environmental problems and massive hypocrites can do without until they agree to bear some of the burden that they do? I guess the majority in BC would be just fine with that, or not at all.

Edited July 23, 2016 by poochy

[Peter F]

but it is effectively impossible to prevent all leaks, now what?

Build more pipelines that leak? or, since pipelines do leak, build as few as possible? I think the latter makes more sense.