ndpnic Posted November 21, 2004 Report Posted November 21, 2004 I recently called all 3 major Canadian parties, and posed to the all the same question: "what are your partie's plans to recruit the younger vote?" This was made too be such an issue during the election, I assumed they all had a plan. Wrong!!!! The only party who even acknowledges this sector of the populace is the NDP. From the other 2 parties I was bluntly informed that young people don't care about politics, so they have no plan to recruit the younger voters. How sad! I did respond to this that young people care very much about politics, but are feeling greatly frustrated. You see, it's frustrating knowing that even if every single voter in your demographic voted, our votes would be cancelled out by babyboomers and seniors. I figure we're about 10 years from Drastic political and social reform in Canada as the #'s start to favor the "Forgotten Peon" populace. I just hope the peons aren't all dead by then from lack of utilities, shelter, etc., as fewer and fewer are able to afford basic survival needs, thanks to our "Democratic" government!!!!! Quote
stamps Posted November 21, 2004 Report Posted November 21, 2004 "I figure we're about 10 years from Drastic political and social reform in Canada as the #'s start to favor the "Forgotten Peon" populace. I just hope the peons aren't all dead by then from lack of utilities, shelter, etc., as fewer and fewer are able to afford basic survival needs, thanks to our "Democratic" government!!!!!"...... Why do you figure that we here in Canada are going to experiance this type of a crisis... please explain.... Quote
Guest eureka Posted November 21, 2004 Report Posted November 21, 2004 You need to rethink your reasons for wanting your vote to count. To be frustrated that one "demographic's" vote is counted out by another says more than you have thought about. It assumes that you have a monopoly on the right things to do and it assumes that yiu have all the answers. Yhe opposite is more likely becuase of the age factors. You should suspend your frustration and get involved while learning from those who have been at it far longer. Quote
ndpnic Posted November 21, 2004 Author Report Posted November 21, 2004 from the sounds of it, I'd say by your responses your not in the peon populace! Leave it to the arrogance of the older generations to think they ave the answers! The currrent state of our country indicates otherwise. You think you have the answers because you've been at it longer:? Seems to me your generation is to blame for the state of our economic, environmental, social, and political problems. My generation doesn't get to buy new houses for $20g, with only $100 downpayment. We can barely live week to week! Quote
caesar Posted November 21, 2004 Report Posted November 21, 2004 ndpnic; You belong to the "ME" generation. Who do you think national day care is for? We baby boomers didn't have daycare nor do we need it now. We did not buy houses for 20 thousand with 100 dollars down. It was much closer to 50 thousand plus with 12 thousand down and that represented a large chunk of our income. $5 per hour was a GOOD wage. Who do you think built all the original roads, bridges, hydro lines etc; much of what is still in use today. We built those infrastructure with our sweat blood and tears; no modern day equipment to do the back breaking work; nor to keep us safe. We gave you children/ grancdchildren everything that we did not have as children; and we have produced a bunch of whining ungrateful spoilt brats. I do know that there are many hardworking younger citizens but there are too many who wants all the bells and whistles with minimum effort and sacrifice. Quote
Argus Posted November 21, 2004 Report Posted November 21, 2004 from the sounds of it, I'd say by your responses your not in the peon populace! Leave it to the arrogance of the older generations to think they ave the answers! The currrent state of our country indicates otherwise. You think you have the answers because you've been at it longer:? Seems to me your generation is to blame for the state of our economic, environmental, social, and political problems. My generation doesn't get to buy new houses for $20g, with only $100 downpayment. We can barely live week to week! Well, I'm slightly too young to be a boomer. So I can agree on the defects of that particular generation, especially their habit of free spending and then assigning the bills to those who follow. On the other hand, nothing about those in their twenties has impressed me much. They tend to have little knowledge about political issues nor willingness to search it out. They don't read much, preferring TV and video games. They know about computers but not law or economics. Those who are politically inclined tend to be radical on issues with very little ability to support their beliefs - and a lot of hostility towards those who challenge them. They also tend to be simplistic and naive, unable to understand that there is often more to an issue than black and white. Getting younger people involved in voting would not, in my opinion, improve things. Quite the contrary. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
caesar Posted November 21, 2004 Report Posted November 21, 2004 Getting younger people involved in voting would not, in my opinion, improve things. Quite the contrary. We do need them to get involved and learn some facts of life and government. How will they ever be able to run the country unless they get their feet wet. They pay taxes the same as we do and should be encouraged to get involved and stand up for what they want from government. Some do need a reality check. I am a little old for the baby boomers by a year or two and my husband is 15 years older. Quote
Argus Posted November 21, 2004 Report Posted November 21, 2004 Getting younger people involved in voting would not, in my opinion, improve things. Quite the contrary. We do need them to get involved and learn some facts of life and government. Well, I agree. I just think it should be in the reverse order. Let them learn some facts about life and government, and then, presumably, older and wiser, they can get involved in politics. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Slavik44 Posted November 22, 2004 Report Posted November 22, 2004 from the sounds of it, I'd say by your responses your not in the peon populace! Leave it to the arrogance of the older generations to think they ave the answers! The currrent state of our country indicates otherwise. You think you have the answers because you've been at it longer:? Seems to me your generation is to blame for the state of our economic, environmental, social, and political problems. My generation doesn't get to buy new houses for $20g, with only $100 downpayment. We can barely live week to week! Well, I'm slightly too young to be a boomer. So I can agree on the defects of that particular generation, especially their habit of free spending and then assigning the bills to those who follow. On the other hand, nothing about those in their twenties has impressed me much. They tend to have little knowledge about political issues nor willingness to search it out. They don't read much, preferring TV and video games. They know about computers but not law or economics. Those who are politically inclined tend to be radical on issues with very little ability to support their beliefs - and a lot of hostility towards those who challenge them. They also tend to be simplistic and naive, unable to understand that there is often more to an issue than black and white. Getting younger people involved in voting would not, in my opinion, improve things. Quite the contrary. And those are long held sterotypes about the younger portion of non-baby boomers that are not entirley true. The average 45 year old is not some genuis who can rattle off information like an encyclopedia. You just have to look at the growing enrollment in post secondary education to realise that those claims made by baby boomers is off base and out of touch with reality. It is what I would refer to as a comfort zone, and every generation has it. One time I was eating lunch at subway and this old guy was sort of rantign about the younger Generation and how worthless and un gratefull it was. however I couldn't help but laugh listening to this guy talk about how his Generation had won two world wars, defeated the communists, lived through the depression, laid the foundation for the canadian society working 7 days week for absolutley nothing and young poeple have the audacity to ask for their tuition to be paid for. He went on to talka bout how if they wanted money they shoudl get out and work because education is a laod of crap had work is where it is at and he should not be forced to support students while the rack up huge debts learning about nothing. Now thsi wasn;t word for word what he said but the basic concept of what was said. leaving us with a man who appears to be 60-70 claiming to have been in the generation who won World war one. Making him like a hundred years old, thankfully he was still around to win world war two and even the cold war in 1991, and society has never supported him, forget the fact he is a canadian over 65, and now these young people want him to give them his money. Now I don't know about you but sometimes I think people give their generation a bit to much credit. Probabley as a way to puff up their chest and say this is what I have done. Unfortunantley it would be incorrect to say that"insert person here" had done all that. Likewise another way to puff up your chest is again to tear down the generation below you, Unfortunantley it is often done through lame sterotypes, that are no more true then a 60-70 year old fighting in world war one. and agian thanks for setting such a loving standard for my Generation to follow. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6551094/ Quote The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. - Ayn Rand --------- http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Economic Left/Right: 4.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54 Last taken: May 23, 2007
ndpnic Posted November 23, 2004 Author Report Posted November 23, 2004 Thank you!!!!!! It's so nice to hear a voice of reason! Babyboomers can call us the I want generation all they want! Even back in the day, minimum wage was more in keeping with the cost of living. Now, utilities have gone up HUNDREDS of percents, but peon sector wages? A token raise of15cents in over a decade!! Babyboomers are resentful of the younger generations because we do have modern tehnology and the like, where as they did not. They throw in our faces that in thier day mothers stayed home. Do you know how many young mothers I know who would sell thier souls to stay home and raise thier kids? It is not Financially viable. It has nothing to do with cutting corners and going with less, it takes 2 full-time incomes to make it week to week!!! And as for wages, they won't go up because the babyboomers own and run all the companies. You don't need viable wages, they need millions to retire! But I forgot, the Young generations are the Selfish ones!!!! Quote
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