Canada Supreme Court Rules Against Harper Again

[On Guard for Thee]

I'm not asking you to do my research........I already fully understand the topic. What is being asked of you is to support your claim (which you can't).

Here is the SCC judgment, by all means provide the text that you feel supports your point.

I'll await your cited reply.

Here is something a little less lengthy that may help you.

http://www.gowlings.com/KnowledgeCentre/article.asp?pubID=3945

Edited April 18, 2015 by On Guard for Thee

[Derek 2.0]

Here is something a little less lengthy that may help you.

http://www.gowlings.com/KnowledgeCentre/article.asp?pubID=3945

Where does it speak to the ammo storage requirements as you suggest, thus supporting your incorrect claim?

[On Guard for Thee]

Where does it speak to the ammo storage requirements as you suggest, thus supporting your incorrect claim?

That particular piece speaks to a scenario of having a gun AND ammo in your cottage that could get you 3 years, if its a first time offence. But dont worry, the SC has taken care of it. The laws are still intact, just the MMS business is gone.

[Derek 2.0]

That particular piece speaks to a scenario of having a gun AND ammo in your cottage that could get you 3 years, if its a first time offence. But dont worry, the SC has taken care of it. The laws are still intact, just the MMS business is gone.

Ahhh not quite, it speaks to a restricted firearm stored in your non primary residence, not listed upon a RPAL holders LTATT.........but any legal gun owner can store as much ammo as they want within their cottage, basement, garage, wood shed, buried in a hole in the backyard etc, as there are no ammo storing regulations under the Canadian Firearms Act absent a firearm (as I've stated numerous times to you)

If you feel different, cite the section pertaining to ammo storage requirements from within the Firearms Act.........But you can't, as there isn't any.

Edited April 18, 2015 by Derek 2.0

[Argus]

The law is are already there. The expansion of allowing prosecutorial discretion to allow for indictment leading to the MMS is the portion that was struck.

From your own cite:

Writing for the majority, the Chief Justice reasoned that the mandatory minimum sentence required by s 95(2)(a) was not cruel and unusual in most circumstances, including in the cases of Nur and Charles. However, the Chief Justice opined that applying the mandatory minimums in some reasonably foreseeable cases would violate s 12 of the Charter. Section 12 guarantees against cruel and unusual punishment.

[On Guard for Thee]

From your own cite:

Writing for the majority, the Chief Justice reasoned that the mandatory minimum sentence required by s 95(2)(a) was not cruel and unusual in most circumstances, including in the cases of Nur and Charles. However, the Chief Justice opined that applying the mandatory minimums in some reasonably foreseeable cases would violate s 12 of the Charter. Section 12 guarantees against cruel and unusual punishment.

Which is why it was found to be unconstitutional, for the umpteenth time.

[On Guard for Thee]

Ahhh not quite, it speaks to a restricted firearm stored in your non primary residence, not listed upon a RPAL holders LTATT.........but any legal gun owner can store as much ammo as they want within their cottage, basement, garage, wood shed, buried in a hole in the backyard etc, as there are no ammo storing regulations under the Canadian Firearms Act absent a firearm (as I've stated numerous times to you)

If you feel different, cite the section pertaining to ammo storage requirements from within the Firearms Act.........But you can't, as there isn't any.

You can keep chasing your tail if you like, but the SC has spoken, and I get what they are saying.

[Derek 2.0]

You can keep chasing your tail if you like, but the SC has spoken, and I get what they are saying.

I'm not chasing my tail, my position and the laws cited for you are quite static...........and clearly you don't get what they're saying, or you would have already outlined from the Canadian Firearms Act your suggestive ammo storage regs..........

Since you're unable to, when the actual law is provided for you, I'll leave you now to your logic vacuum........if you wish to continue this discussion, you'll have to outline these ammo storage laws (which there aren't any) you keep suggesting are there.........

[On Guard for Thee]

I'm not chasing my tail, my position and the laws cited for you are quite static...........and clearly you don't get what they're saying, or you would have already outlined from the Canadian Firearms Act your suggestive ammo storage regs..........

Since you're unable to, when the actual law is provided for you, I'll leave you now to your logic vacuum........if you wish to continue this discussion, you'll have to outline these ammo storage laws (which there aren't any) you keep suggesting are there.........

You have to store ammo separate from the gun, unless they are both stored in a safe. Failure to meet those requirements is an offense under current law. What the SC did was say such an offense shall not be indictable.

[Derek 2.0]

You have to store ammo separate from the gun, unless they are both stored in a safe. Failure to meet those requirements is an offense under current law. What the SC did was say such an offense shall not be indictable.

Those aren't ammo storage regulations, but safe storage regulations pertaining to firearms........and of course, you've even failed repeating those laws, as its perfectly legal to store a non-restricted firearm, trigger locked or with the bolt removed, next to ammunition.

[On Guard for Thee]

Those aren't ammo storage regulations, but safe storage regulations pertaining to firearms........and of course, you've even failed repeating those laws, as its perfectly legal to store a non-restricted firearm, trigger locked or with the bolt removed, next to ammunition.

Sorry, but you are wrong. But then you seemed to think there was no cafeteria in Moyock also.

Edited April 19, 2015 by On Guard for Thee

[Derek 2.0]

Sorry, but you are wrong. But then you seemed to think there was no cafeteria in Moyock also.

No, I'm not.........the storage regulations, per the Firearms Act...........feel free to point out the ammo storage regulations.

[On Guard for Thee]

No, I'm not.........the storage regulations, per the Firearms Act...........feel free to point out the ammo storage regulations.

Yep, just go down to 5.c

[Derek 2.0]

Yep, just go down to 5.c

You realize you're quoting the safe storage regulations pertaining to a non-restricted firearm right? Swing and a miss........

Edited April 19, 2015 by Derek 2.0

[On Guard for Thee]

You realize you're quoting the safe storage regulations pertaining to a non-restricted firearm right? Swing and a miss........

Yep. Just what I have been trying to get across to you for some time. 3 years in jail for failure to fololw that part of the law is why the SC struck it.

[Derek 2.0]

Yep. Just what I have been trying to get across to you for some time. 3 years in jail for failure to fololw that part of the law is why the SC struck it.

No, you've been suggesting there are laws pertaining to the storage of ammunition.........which there are not..... likewise I've never suggested there were not laws pertaining to the storage of the various classes of firearms, laws that are both applicable to my household and which I fully understand and maintain compliance with.

Laws that you, along with many Canadians (including some within law enforcement and the legal system) do not understand, which can largely be attributed to how poorly written and vague said laws are........a clear demonstration on why the Firearms Act is one of, if not the most, badly written piece of legislation in Canadian history.

[On Guard for Thee]

No, you've been suggesting there are laws pertaining to the storage of ammunition.........which there are not..... likewise I've never suggested there were not laws pertaining to the storage of the various classes of firearms, laws that are both applicable to my household and which I fully understand and maintain compliance with.

Laws that you, along with many Canadians (including some within law enforcement and the legal system) do not understand, which can largely be attributed to how poorly written and vague said laws are........a clear demonstration on why the Firearms Act is one of, if not the most, badly written piece of legislation in Canadian history.

You seem to not read well, my point from the start was a reiteration of the SC finding that a 3 year MMS for improper storage of a gun and ammo was outside the charter. Somehow you became obsessed about laws about ammo only. Almost as weird as your concern of my attempt at an illegal firearm purchase in Florida.

[Derek 2.0]

You seem to not read well, my point from the start was a reiteration of the SC finding that a 3 year MMS for improper storage of a gun and ammo was outside the charter. Somehow you became obsessed about laws about ammo only. Almost as weird as your concern of my attempt at an illegal firearm purchase in Florida.

Is this not your post?

Or this one?

And here?

What about this one?

[On Guard for Thee]

Is this not your post?

Or this one?

And here?

What about this one?

Yep, ammo and guns improperly stored. It seemed to take you quite some time to get it.

[Derek 2.0]

Yep, ammo and guns improperly stored. It seemed to take you quite some time to get it.

Yet, in the cited quotes of yours, you clearly state ammo only...........to clarify, you're now in agreement that there are no storage regulations, per the Firearms Act, encompassing the storage of ammunition?

[On Guard for Thee]

Yet, in the cited quotes of yours, you clearly state ammo only...........to clarify, you're now in agreement that there are no storage regulations, per the Firearms Act, encompassing the storage of ammunition?

I never stated otherwise.

[Derek 2.0]

I never stated otherwise.

You didn't?

One more time, if you store a gun, properly, but store the ammo improperly, you could be indicted under the bill and that is one of the reasons the SC struck it down.

So what "bill" could get a person "indicted" for storing their ammo improperly?

[On Guard for Thee]

You didn't?

So what "bill" could get a person "indicted" for storing their ammo improperly?

The very one the SC just quashed.

[Derek 2.0]

The very one the SC just quashed.

Which Bill did they quash, and in said Bill, where are the regulations for storing ammo?

[On Guard for Thee]

Which Bill did they quash, and in said Bill, where are the regulations for storing ammo?

Sorry pal but you are just wasting a lot of time going in circles. I was clear at the start, as was the SC, that the potential for being indicted for something as non criminal as inadvertent improper storage of a gun, and the ammo, was in contravention of the charter. Please try and catch up or just leave it alone.