Hudson Jones Posted May 15, 2014 Report Posted May 15, 2014 90% of girls in Egypt have their clitorises removed so they do not experience lust. Really? Show me how you came up with that number. What do you call that? Are all Egyptians extremists? How many people have to feel the same way before you stop thinking it's rare? First of all, the 90% statistic is suspect as most of the statistics you throw out usually are. Second, no. Egypt represents a fraction of Muslims around the world. There is no female genital circumcision/mutilation in majority of Muslim countries. So they don't represent Muslims. They represent themselves and whatever interpretation and cultural idea they have developed. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Hudson Jones Posted May 15, 2014 Report Posted May 15, 2014 Well now. The same poster, Hudson Jones who in the past never missed an opportunity to suggest anyone who is a Zionist is an extremist now says, don't engage in generalizations. Uh yah. Islam is a religion practiced by over 1 billion people around the world. Their practices and ideologies differ. Zionism is an ideology. A racist ideology where, in order to achieve its main goal and objective, other groups are discriminated against. This is shown in their treatment of Palestinians both in the occupied territories and inside Israel. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Rue Posted May 15, 2014 Report Posted May 15, 2014 (edited) Islam is a religion practiced by over 1 billion people around the world. Their practices and ideologies differ. Zionism is an ideology. A racist ideology where, in order to achieve its main goal and objective, other groups are discriminated against. This is shown in their treatment of Palestinians both in the occupied territories and inside Israel. Lol. Oh well then that explains it. So to recap, one should not make negative generalizations about all Muslims but can with Zionists. Right. Thanks for straightening that out. The point Hudson which you again failed to grasp is making negative generalizations about anyone is not productive or helpful in any discussion. The fact you choose to do what you criticize JBG of doing speaks for itself and it is why I pointed out your inconsistency and you evidenced it again and its precisely why I contended and again contend you have zero credibility on thos forum criticizing JBG since you also engage in the same defective process. On either side of the debate, negatively engaging in generalizations about anyone is pointless and its illogical. These Islamic fundamentalists like their counterparts across Africa, the Middle East and Asia and now in Europe and all other areas of the world are a destabilizing element and need to be contained. Muslim countries and clergy should more assertively speak out and offer to mediate. Why does the Muslim world not send a mediator? Hudson said there are over l billion Muslims. How is it they can't find one mediator to send? Edited May 15, 2014 by Rue Quote
Hudson Jones Posted May 15, 2014 Report Posted May 15, 2014 Lol. Oh well then that explains it. So to recap, one should not make negative generalizations about all Muslims but can with Zionists. This is quite familiar. Knowing that you are unable to comprehend logic, I will respond anyway. Muslims and Zionists cannot be compared in that context. If you are a Muslim, it doesn't mean that you accept what Boko Harem has done. (Even Al Qaeda has denounced this group and its action). However, if you are a Zionist, it's much different. Its definition is as follows: A Zionist is a person who accepts the principle that the State of Israel doesn’t belong solely to its citizens, but to the entire Jewish people. The practical expression of this commitment is the Law of Return. Since the Law of Return is discriminatory, then it's wrong. If you are a Zionist, then you advocate the way the State of Israel was created, including the expulsion of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. You cannot be a Zionist and not accept the discriminatory law of return. You will also have a difficult time finding any self-proclaimed Zionist who opposed the expulsion and other discriminatory measures Zionists took in order to cleanse Israel of its "Arab problem". This is why Zionism is a problem and it should be condemned and pushed to be eradicated. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Argus Posted May 15, 2014 Report Posted May 15, 2014 (edited) Really? Show me how you came up with that number. From the BBC cite I already posted in the 'islam' topic Edited May 15, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Hudson Jones Posted May 15, 2014 Report Posted May 15, 2014 (edited) From the BBC cite I already posted in the 'islam' topic Not here. Post a link. Edit: Found it: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/evelyn-leopold/female-circumcism----90-p_b_822283.html Abhorrent. I am sickened and somewhat shocked that it can be so high. Edited May 15, 2014 by Hudson Jones Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
jbg Posted May 16, 2014 Report Posted May 16, 2014 Zionism is an ideology. A racist ideology where, in order to achieve its main goal and objective, other groups are discriminated against. This is shown in their treatment of Palestinians both in the occupied territories and inside Israel.Compared to the enlightened treatment of Christians by Boko Haram (link to opening post)? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Hudson Jones Posted May 16, 2014 Report Posted May 16, 2014 Compared to the enlightened treatment of Christians by Boko Haram (link to opening post)? No one is defending Boko Haram. Not even Al Qaeda. What point are you trying to make? You were called out for your erroneous attempt at saying that Muslims around the world do not condemn and did not condemn Boko Haram, so therefore, this is an Islam issue and their actions represent Islamism, when it doesn't. You were given examples of how many different Muslims groups, without hesitation, condemned and distanced themselves from Boko Haram. But of course, you failed to acknowledge this. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
iolo Posted May 17, 2014 Report Posted May 17, 2014 (edited) On Palestine, the World Service had an interesting programme on the Nazi bullying of Christians in Bethlehem. The Zionist racists will kill everyone while the yanks finance them. Boko Haram is just the ignorant backwoods reacting to bullying and murder, so there is not much difference, except that the Zionists are rejecting about three thousand years of history. Edited May 17, 2014 by iolo Quote
Rue Posted May 19, 2014 Report Posted May 19, 2014 (edited) Hudson Jones your response to me made no sense and shows you once again contradicted yourself and try engage in a justification of creating a double standard one for Muslims and one for Zionists. Your post contained subjective opinions as to what you think Zionism stands for posed as facts and posed to justify making negative generalizations about all Zionists and the state of Israel while demanding people not to the same about Muslims and Muslim nations. For example you misstated Zionism when you stated a Zionist is a person who accepts the principle the state of Israel doesn't belong solely to its citizens but the entire Jewish people.. That is your subjective belief as to what Zionism stands for and then you project it as being thought of by each and every Zionist.. You engage in a deliberate stereotype of all Zionists while in the same breath saying people should not generalize about Muslims and your sole pretext for this inconsistency is to argue when you engage in generalizations about Zionists they must be true. Lol Your restatement of what you think Zionism states is a false negative generalization. Zionists have all kinds of opinions no differently than Muslims. Not all Muslims think the exact same way, not all Zionists think the same way-but in your mind Muslims can't be said to think the same way but Zionists can. What Zionism actually states is that the state provides a refuge for Jews should they choose to exercise it. It does not say Israel belongs to the entire Jewish people. It does not belong to Jewish people who do not recognize the Israel state or do not wish to be part of the Jewish state or fail to pass its criminal and security clearances. So your generalization is necessarily wrong. Their are Jewish people such as certain ultra Orthodox who want nothing to do with Israel which they believe is an abomination since it should not have been created until the Messiah returns so no the Israeli state would not say the country belongs to such people. What an absurd thing for you to try contend. Israel does not nor would it claim to belong to such people. That would make no sense. As well Israel does not belong to Jewish people. That is not what Zionism says. What it does say is Jewish people can if they choose on an individual basis to become Israeli citizens if they so choose. If anything Jewish people can choose to belong to the state not the other way around and that membership is not automatic. Jewish people have been rejected from citizenship if they have criminal records. or are suspected of being security risks. You also repeat the false representation that the Law of Return is discriminatory. Even if it was how would this justify engaging in the negative generalization that all Zionists discriminate? That is no different than saying all Muslims discriminate against Jews because the Koran calls for this discrimination through the application of Sharia laws. On the one had you make a sweeping generalization that the Law of Return discriminates but will never come on this board and criticize Muslim religion and its sharia laws for discriminating against non Muslims.Why? Why such a blatant inconsistency? How do you ignore this fact or the fact that because Israel fast tracks Jewish people to citizenship no differently than more than 125 other nations do other identified peoples, you only criticize Israel's law of return as discriminatory and not theirs? Why is Israel is the only nation with a law of return you single out? You claim it discriminates. It provides a speeded up process of course. This does not mean that hen Jews then become citizens they get different rights in the country from non Jews. In fact the Muslim nations not only do not allow non Muslims any citizenship in their nations and in particular Jews, but force their Jews and non Muslims born in their nations to live in the apartheid system of dhimmitude which you have never once criticized or even acknowledged. They engage in the very discrimination you claim Israel engages in but does not. Muslims own land in Israel, Jews can not own land in Muslim countries. Al the rights Muslims have in Israel, jews do not have in Muslim countries. each time that has been pointed out to you-you refuse to acknowledge that fact. No one be surprised you did not show up on the thread about Sudan and its discrimination of Christians. Now you once again call for the eradication of Zionism. Imagine if I called for the eradication of Islam or Palestinian nationality using the very same generalizations you did, Thanks for again proving my point. Edited May 19, 2014 by Rue Quote
Hudson Jones Posted May 20, 2014 Report Posted May 20, 2014 (edited) Thanks for again proving my point. What is your point again? I do call for the eradication of the zionist ideology by rejecting it. Much like how the world came together and rejected apartheid in South Africa. Edited May 20, 2014 by Hudson Jones Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
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