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[Keepitsimple]

Here's the problem I have with most unions and the union mentality. If we examine some of the jobs - take an auto worker on the assembly line. The job might be evaluated at $15 per hour 15 years ago. A worker willingly accepts the job and should work diligently to keep it. If the job never really changes, why should the value of the job change - except for inflation? Why do Unions always demand a raise? There are reasons why certain manufacturing jobs might be eligible for a new rate structure if automation demands a higher level of competernce.....but if the job stays basically the same - why should there be a raise - except for inflation? If profit increases over time, investments and/or expansion can take place. If profit increases, the company can introduce a profit-sharing plan to breed loyalty and if they don't treat their workers well - they'll leave for the competition.

Outside of manufacturing, Teacher's salaries and benefits have increased 50% under McGuinty - and yet the job stays the same - they teach kids....and now with smaller class sizes. Why is that? Why more, more, more - always more....for the same job....when thousands of new teachers who can't get a job would gladly work for far less.

[Keepitsimple]

It's odd that people assume the WFC and unions support the Liberals.

It's really odd that you would even consider thinking otherwise.....or did I miss some sarcasm?

[cybercoma]

Here's the problem I have with most unions and the union mentality. If we examine some of the jobs - take an auto worker on the assembly line. The job might be evaluated at $15 per hour 15 years ago. A worker willingly accepts the job and should work diligently to keep it. If the job never really changes, why should the value of the job change - except for inflation? Why do Unions always demand a raise? There are reasons why certain manufacturing jobs might be eligible for a new rate structure if automation demands a higher level of competernce.....but if the job stays basically the same - why should there be a raise - except for inflation? If profit increases over time, investments and/or expansion can take place. If profit increases, the company can introduce a profit-sharing plan to breed loyalty and if they don't treat their workers well - they'll leave for the competition.

Outside of manufacturing, Teacher's salaries and benefits have increased 50% under McGuinty - and yet the job stays the same - they teach kids....and now with smaller class sizes. Why is that? Why more, more, more - always more....for the same job....when thousands of new teachers who can't get a job would gladly work for far less.

The problem is, at least with the auto workers, the pay doesn't keep with inflation. If they go to the bargaining table every couple years and inflation is 2% each year, then they require a 4% raise to keep up with that. Furthermore, when the company reduces health or retirement benefits, where does that money come from? The worker has to make up for the shortfall through their own wages, thereby reducing their standard of living even more. You hear these guys settling for things like 1% per year over 5 years, as well as a reduction in the retirement benefits and health packages. That means they're actually making less year on year, despite their salary increasing by 1% each year. None of that is to mention how necessities like fuel and groceries do not fluctuate the same as the inflation rate.

Edited June 25, 2013 by cybercoma