RW Authoritarians Rolling back Cannabis decriminalization in Canada

[punked]

What about sobriety?

Don't you see the virtue in being sober.

I think part of the being high is an overzealous attitude and a confidence in that mindset that is ill informed.

Look at Marc Emery, the "Prince of pot" ...where did Pot activism get him? In jail in the US for several years making purses for the privatized prison system in the US. I bet ya he is thinking twice about all that hot air he was blowing about weed and overgrowing the government

So you are for making criminals out of your friends and neighbors for doing nothing that harms because you don't understand science then? You think it should be criminal and Obama should be locked up? You think we should be locking up teachers, and doctors. Prohibition caused more crime then it solved. You want to make criminals out of people millions of people because science escapes you. Yah if anyone in this thread is crazy it is you.

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Well there is, in the links that I posted earlier, and as mentioned in them, further research is required……….As pointed out earlier by RR, what effect does smoking a single joint do on the brain, or IOW, if the Pot didn’t give you a buzz, why would you smoke it? Does Pot unnaturally alter the chemistry within your brain?

There is evidence in your opinion that wearing a rain coat makes it rain? Seems silly.

[Guest Derek L]

There is evidence in your opinion that wearing a rain coat makes it rain? Seems silly.

How does one get "high" on Pot?

What's the chemical reaction taking place in the brain?

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How does one get "high" on Pot?

What's the chemical reaction taking place in the brain?

What happens when you get drunk on alcohol? Is there a chemical reaction taking place in the brain? What about coffee?

Guess whose is a hypocrite?

I just posted a twin study. Its conclusion even though one twin used pot for more then 20 years and the other didn't, there was no difference. NO LINK TO MENTAL ILLNESS!

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Well there is, in the links that I posted earlier, and as mentioned in them, further research is required……….As pointed out earlier by RR, what effect does smoking a single joint do on the brain, or IOW, if the Pot didn’t give you a buzz, why would you smoke it? Does Pot unnaturally alter the chemistry within your brain?

From what I understand is that the human brain is the only one that is effected by the cannabinoids within pot.

[Guest Derek L]

What happens when you get drunk on alcohol? Is there a chemical reaction taking place in the brain? What about coffee?

Guess whose is a hypocrite?

Sure, I've never said otherwise........So to clarify, you’re now confirming long term usage of Pot can contribute to neurological disorders in the brain, like alcohol?

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How does one get "high" on Pot?

1 - smoked in a joint

2 - smoked in a bong

3 - smoked in a pipe

4 - smoked using a vapourizor.

Not sure, but I will say you never smoked pot once in your life. Because you are asking very silly questions.

What's the chemical reaction taking place in the brain?

http://en.wikipedia....nabinoid Start Here.

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[punked]

Sure, I've never said otherwise........So to clarify, you’re now confirming long term usage of Pot can contribute to neurological disorders in the brain, like alcohol?

Nope I do not. Which is why I posted the twin study. I will agree all environmental factors can contribute to long term effects on someone. This includes the breathing in of fossil fuel emissions, heavy metals, water supply contamination etc. That is life like you say people should be allowed to eat what they want, they should be allowed to live where they want. That is just me because I love freedom.

[Guest Derek L]

From what I understand is that the human brain is the only one that is effected by the cannabinoids within pot.

http://hightimes.com/entertainment/mellis/3752

To understand the effects of THC on animals, we first must understand its effects on humans. THC works by attaching itself to specific receptors in the brain, which exist specifically to receive cannabinoids. The body naturally produces its own cannabinoids (called endocannabinoids) at specific times, which scientists suspect help to regulate pain relief and/or memory. Since THC and endocannabinoids share almost the same molecular structure, they can both connect to cannabinoid receptors, and thus both produce a “high” effect. Most living things possess cannabinoid receptors—including invertebrates.

This is important for two reasons: First, it means these receptors have survived at least 500 million years of evolution (dating back to the time when vertebrates and invertebrates split), implying that the function of these cannabinoids is pretty damn important; and second, it means that most everything alive can get stoned—even something as simple as a slug.

[Guest Derek L]

1 - smoked in a joint

2 - smoked in a bong

3 - smoked in a pipe

4 - smoked using a vapourizor.

Not sure, but I will say you never smoked pot once in your life. Because you are asking very silly questions.

http://en.wikipedia....nabinoid Start there.

I have, and my question was in relation to the reaction within the brain/body when one is using it.

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http://hightimes.com...ent/mellis/3752

Yes most animals have cannabanoid receptors. However only the human brain seems to be affected by the specific cannanaboid that is in pot.

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I have, and my question was in relation to the reaction within the brain/body when one is using it.

Smoke a joint or two and find out for yourself. Think of it as an experiment and claim scientific study.

[punked]

Yes most animals have cannabanoid receptors. However only the human brain seems to be affected by the specific cannanaboid that is in pot.

There is a hypothesis that has some Scientific backing that because pot has been shown to shrink cancer that humans have had a selective evolution with weed. Meaning that those who have receptors in their brain for marijuana and smoked at some point in time out competed many who didn't. Here is an article about how marijuana may shrink cancers. So I guess unlike alcohol marijuana at least has an up side. Yet there are still many would don't even want those it can help to have it because a sigma which is based on junk science.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/06/marijuana-fights-cancer-and-helps-manage-side-effects-researchers-find.html

[Guest Derek L]

Nope I do not. Which is why I posted the twin study. I will agree all environmental factors can contribute to long term effects on someone. This includes the breathing in of fossil fuel emissions, heavy metals, water supply contamination etc. That is life like you say people should be allowed to eat what they want, they should be allowed to live where they want. That is just me because I love freedom.

So the mind altering effects of booze is bad, but the mind altering effects of pot is good for you........Then you get into the ingestion of fossil fuels............If that's the best you pot smokers can come up with, you'll never see it legalized

Hire a PR firm, in doing so, the first thing they will do to help you guys is to tell you to shut-up.

[Guest Derek L]

Smoke a joint or two and find out for yourself. Think of it as an experiment and claim scientific study.

I'll try again, how does the THC within pot make you feel good? What does the THC do to your body?

[punked]

So the mind altering effects of booze is bad, but the mind altering effects of pot is good for you........Then you get into the ingestion of fossil fuels............If that's the best you pot smokers can come up with, you'll never see it legalized

Hire a PR firm, in doing so, the first thing they will do to help you guys is to tell you to shut-up.

Let me point this out. I am not arguing making alcohol illegal that is your side. I think many in society enjoy alcohol, I think it has tremendous benefits it brings in lots of tax dollars that fund out health care system and make it better. Many can drink it (including myself) and not have problems. However there are some down sides. Those downsides don't outweigh the upsides and I think our government has a business of making sure only adults use it.

It seems to me you keep making the argument that marijuana is somehow different from Alcohol when it isn't in the least. I think both should be treated the same. If that means what manny thinks which is they should be illegal or what I think that they should legal they should be treated the same. You haven't given me one reason they shouldn't be.

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I'll try again, how does the THC within pot make you feel good? What does the THC do to your body?

Sometimes the experience cannot easily be explained to someone who has not tried it.

[punked]

I'll try again, how does the THC within pot make you feel good? What does the THC do to your body?

From what I understand like sex and food it ups your dopamine levels.

Look I know we don't agree on a lot of things. I think this is one issue we can find common ground on. We both agree (on the gun registry) the government has no business making otherwise law abiding citizens into criminals and that locking these types of people up are a waste of money. Lets come together on this issue.

Can I also say that ALL STUDIES posted in this thread linking marijuana use to mental illness have shown there NO CORRELATION none at all between those who smoke in adulthood and an increase in their chances of developing an illness.

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[Guest Derek L]

Let me point this out. I am not arguing making alcohol illegal that is your side. I think many in society enjoy alcohol, I think it has tremendous benefits it brings in lots of tax dollars that fund out health care system and make it better. Many can drink it (including myself) and not have problems. However there are some down sides. Those downsides don't outweigh the upsides and I think our government has a business of making sure only adults use it.

It seems to me you keep making the argument that marijuana is somehow different from Alcohol when it isn't in the least. I think both should be treated the same. If that means what manny thinks which is they should be illegal or what I think that they should legal they should be treated the same. You haven't given me one reason they shouldn't be.

Where have I said Pot should be illegal? I’m not under the notion that Pot usage, like Alcohol usage is harmless, and as pointed out in the research linked by myself and others, has the potential to cause or heighten the possibility of mental illnesses in some, again, like Alcohol.

[punked]

Where have I said Pot should be illegal? I’m not under the notion that Pot usage, like Alcohol usage is harmless, and as pointed out in the research linked by myself and others, has the potential to cause or heighten the possibility of mental illnesses in some, again, like Alcohol.

Perfect we agree on that.

[Guest Derek L]

Sometimes the experience cannot easily be explained to someone who has not tried it.

I tried it as a teen........But I feel we're still having a disconnect on my question(s).......Nevermind, as you were.

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I tried it as a teen........But I feel we're still having a disconnect on my question(s).......Nevermind, as you were.

I answered it. Like food or sex it increases your dopamine levels.

[Guest Derek L]

Perfect we agree on that.

So you agree that long term and/or frequent pot usage could cause or heighten cases of mental illness in some? (Like Alcohol)

[Guest Derek L]

I answered it. Like food or sex it increases your dopamine levels.

And I was responding to GH.

[GostHacked]

So you agree that long term and/or frequent pot usage could cause or heighten cases of mental illness in some? (Like Alcohol)

Could, does not mean it will.

I tried it as a teen........But I feel we're still having a disconnect on my question(s).......Nevermind, as you were.

I can tell you what it does for me, however your results may vary