RW Authoritarians Rolling back Cannabis decriminalization in Canada

[Guest Manny]

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[blueblood]

Dumbest post of the day.

Oh boo hoo, that in itself is incentive to stay away from narcotics. If you are that selfish to purposely do somehing like that to yourself, than old crack head from the lower east side can pay his own hospital bill.

[Guest Derek L]

But just can't stop laughing, huh? I mean, that shows some kind of an involuntary response. You gotta wonder what kind of person wants to do that to themselves.

Your info is out of date. I recall there was some research came out last year, showed it made some people go schizo. One kid I know flipped his lid. He toked on one of those giant bongs, had a freak out. His parents brought him to the emergency ward, but there was nothing they could do. And now is checked-out permanently.

You must have heard about that research study?

Right here, from the Royal Collage of Psychiatrists:

http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/expertadvice/problems/alcoholanddrugs/cannabis.aspx

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• Depression
  

A study following 1600 Australian school-children, aged 14 to 15 for seven years, found that while children who use cannabis regularly have a significantly higher risk of depression, the opposite was not the case - children who already suffered from depression were not more likely than anyone else to use cannabis. However, adolescents who used cannabis daily were five times more likely to develop depression and anxiety in later life.

• Schizophrenia
  

Three major studies followed large numbers of people over several years, and showed that those people who use cannabis have a higher than average risk of developing schizophrenia. If you start smoking it before the age of 15, you are 4 times more likely to develop a psychotic disorder by the time you are 26. They found no evidence of self-medication. It seemed that, the more cannabis someone used, the more likely they were to develop symptoms.

Why should teenagers be particularly vulnerable to the use of cannabis? No one knows for certain, but it may be something to do with brain development. The brain is still developing in the teenage years – up to the age of around 20, in fact. A massive process of ‘neural pruning’ is going on. This is rather like streamlining a tangled jumble of circuits so they can work more effectively. Any experience, or substance, that affects this process has the potential to produce long-term psychological effects.

Recent research in Europe, and in the UK, has suggested that people who have a family background of mental illness – and so probably have a genetic vulnerability anyway - are more likely to develop schizophrenia if they use cannabis as well.

[kairos]

No one is suggesting that kids should be able to buy cannabis, we are saying that adults should be able to smoke and acquire cannabis freely without repercussions, much as is the case with alcohol and tobacco.

Edited February 1, 2013 by kairos

[punked]

Oh boo hoo, that in itself is incentive to stay away from narcotics. If you are that selfish to purposely do somehing like that to yourself, than old crack head from the lower east side can pay his own hospital bill.

As soon as apply the same stupid logic to smokers and people who eat fast food you won't look like such a dummy.

[punked]

Right here, from the Royal Collage of Psychiatrists:

http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/expertadvice/problems/alcoholanddrugs/cannabis.aspx

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So you have shown people who have mental heath issues are likely to self medicate. Same studies show the same thing about alcohol.

[guyser]

As soon as apply the same stupid logic to smokers and people who eat fast food you won't look like such a dummy.

Or idiot farmers who put kids up on tractors....or people who go for a drive for nothing better to do.

[GostHacked]

But just can't stop laughing, huh? I mean, that shows some kind of an involuntary response. You gotta wonder what kind of person wants to do that to themselves.

Laughing is very therapeutic and very good for the body, mind and spirit. Try it once in a while.

Your info is out of date. I recall there was some research came out last year, showed it made some people go schizo. One kid I know flipped his lid. He toked on one of those giant bongs, had a freak out. His parents brought him to the emergency ward, but there was nothing they could do. And now is checked-out permanently.

I've always heard that pot makes people hallucinate. Not once has that happened to me, nor has it happened to anyone else I know. If they flip their lid it's because they are not all there to begin with, and has nothing really to do with the drugs.

And as for depression, i'll take pot over all prescription drugs to medicate with. It does not make you more depressed or less depressed. However it can make people simply chill out and relax, which most people need these days. An avenue to de-stress, decompress is always a good thing. People meditate, people go jogging, people have a drink, people have a joint. If it relaxes them and puts them in a better state of mind, then go for it, as long as it's their choice.

[Rocky Road]

Yes Cannabis does cause schizophrenia and mental illness, young people are naive to the dangers of this drug.

We are way too tolerant of its use in society.

[punked]

Yes Cannabis does cause schizophrenia and mental illness, young people are naive to the dangers of this drug.

We are way too tolerant of its use in society.

No it does not CAUSE schizophrenia there is no evidence to support this. This is from my first year Psyc teacher

"Now Remember class correlation does not mean causation don't ever let anyone try to pretend it does"

You are wrong and because you are wrong while stating something so rightly your opinions mean nothing. YOU ARE WRONG IN WHAT YOU SAY.

[Rocky Road]

http://www.cbc.ca/do...downsideofhigh/

The Downside of High, by David Suzuki "Nature of Things"

THC is an antagonist for mental health and leads to psychotic symptoms in heavy users.

The pot grown these days has been grown to genetically mutate the THC content.

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[Rocky Road]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-205447/Cannabis-causes-mental-illness.html

"Cannabis use is now the biggest single cause of serious mental disorders in the UK, a leading expert warned yesterday.

Up to 80 per cent of new patients at many units have a history of smoking the drug, said consultant psychiatrist Professor Robin Murray"

[punked]

http://www.cbc.ca/do...downsideofhigh/

The Downside of High, by David Suzuki "Nature of Things"

THC is an antagonist for mental health and leads to psychotic symptoms in heavy users.

The pot grown these days has been grown to genetically mutate the THC content.

AGAIN CORRELATION DOES NOT EQUAL CAUSATION!!!!

I expect teenagers who have mental health issues to try to self medicate. Of course those teenagers who have mental health issues and self treat with cannabis are more likely to to have mental health issues later in life because they already have untreated MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES. Here let me just show your argument.

Rocky Road:

-In the winter time people burn more furnace oil

-In the winter time their are more car accidents

Therefore Burning furnace oil causes car accidents

Great proof too bad it is the dumbest argument around. See their is a cause which links the two together the cold weather but you refuse to see that because it does not fit your agenda. You are making the same argument and it is just as dumb.

Again I state there is no evidence or any supporting proof that shows any link between the two. YOU ARE WRRRRROOOONNNNGGG!!!!!

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[punked]

http://www.dailymail...al-illness.html

"Cannabis use is now the biggest single cause of serious mental disorders in the UK, a leading expert warned yesterday.

Up to 80 per cent of new patients at many units have a history of smoking the drug, said consultant psychiatrist Professor Robin Murray"

Again people with mental illness are going to self medicate. You can make the same argument about alcohol it is still a stupid argument.

The drug does not cause the illness the patient trys to treat themselves with the drug BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE A MENTAL ILLNESS. Correlation does not equal causation it is now and will continue to be a stupid argument. Give me a real reason why this might be and I might entertain your argument until then you are just proving you don't understand what is being said.

[Guest Manny]

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[guyser]

Point is buddy provided the links to make his case

Well, he tried anyway.

. Now we got you guys giving your personal point of view, which is all nice and stuff. How about some evidence to counter it. Links, research? I mean, the links provided look like credible stuff. there's tons more of what looks to be real research to back this up.

Where's your links

Think about it for a minute.

The whole world is moving towards legalizing it , or de-criminalizing it. Why would anyone go down that road if there was credible research that it was a horrible drug?

Ever heard of anyone OD'ing on pot? No? ....and thats because there has never been a confirmed case.

[punked]

You dopers talk a pretty good talk, but can you walk the walk? Probably not, unless it's a crooked line...

Point is buddy provided the links to make his case. Now we got you guys giving your personal point of view, which is all nice and stuff. How about some evidence to counter it. Links, research? I mean, the links provided look like credible stuff. there's tons more of what looks to be real research to back this up.

Where's your links

My links to what? He didn't link to anything accept the fact that people with mental issues try to self medicate. That has been known for a long time. It means NOTHING. Places with heavy use of pot don't have a higher rate of mental illness so that blows the whole stupid argument out of the water.

If you want read and actual Scientific article instead of BS media on the subject this is the newest articles published on the subject

the title of the article is "Stronger evidence is needed before accepting that cannabis plays an important role in the aetiology of schizophrenia in the population". Apparently according the leading research the link is crap science which it clearly is.

http://f1000.com/prime/reports/m/5/2/

Edited February 2, 2013 by punked

[Rocky Road]

http://www.youthspace.haringey.gov.uk/home/health/young_peoples_health_stories/did_weed_cause_my_psychosis.htm

[Rocky Road]

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/special_eds/20050321/default_3.htm

ABC Messing with Heads, new research on the link between mental illness and cannabis use.

[Rocky Road]

http://www.schizophrenia.com/index.php

Schizophrenia Support Page for people suffering from Schizophrenia.

Edited February 2, 2013 by Rocky Road

[punked]

Again listen to me and stop being stupid. All you are showing again and again is a correlation. This means what you show me is that Schizophrenics often (40%) smoke marijuana at a young age. That does not mean what you think it means. The only thing that proves is people that go to have mental health problems (who would have mental health problems if they did or didn't smoke) try drugs as those problems start to surface maybe to self medicate.

THIS IS WHY COUNTRIES WHICH HAVE LOW TO NO MARIJUANA USE LIKE JAPAN HAVE THE SAME RATES OF THE DISORDER. Again countries with no marijuana use have the same rates of schizophrenia as those that have high rates so smoking is not causing this disorder at all you remove it and you have the same amount of sick people. You can post about a correlation between hamburgers and people losing weight that does not mean hamburgers make people lose weight it is a dumb argument and the only one you keep posting. IT IS WRONG!

PS I noticed I linked to an article article with citations and research to back up my point and you linked to a bunch of propaganda with no research and bunch of "A friend of a friend mine once smokes" stories. Yah that is crap proof.

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[punked]

Double post

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[Guest Manny]

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[punked]

The kid I saw was a good student, a smart kid when he was about 9-12 years old. Then in high school he got into the dope show. I think he smoked it too much. He didn't know that it was bad for you. He was always told "it's completely harmless. Just makes you laugh a lot, uncontrollably, and cover yourself in Dorito dust." by his dealer. Well too bad, look at him now.

He's been on therapy and medication for over a year now. No more pot. I'm told if he even gets a whiff of it he starts to go loopy.

Again and get this some people lose it. Often times when they are losing it they try to self medicate and seek out drugs. That does not mean the drugs caused anything and they would have gone crazy either way. You aren't talking about science.

You might not have noticed this but on the last think Rocky Road Posted about how 40% of people who are Schizophrenics (which is the only proof he has linked to again and again) tried it before 18, there is another link. This one goes to smoking cigarettes 90% of Schizophrenics smoke cigarettes at that age as well. Does that mean the cigarettes cause Schizophrenia? No that is a dumb reasoning. IT IS ALSO WHY THERE ARE THE SAME RATES OF SCHIZOPHRENIA IN BOTH PLACES WITH NO MARIJUANA AND PLACES THAT SMOKE A LOT. Give me science why might this happen? We can talk then until then you are using poor junk science and it has no place in a discussion on mental health or drug policy.

[Guest Manny]

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