Thoughts on a tragic day

[jbg]

You don't believe that governments can secretly manipulate things and even commit hidden crimes?

You miss my point. My point is not that the government get to know hidden people but that their neighbors do.

[Pliny]

Thanks for the link, I appreciate the information, but I'm asking for a source that confirms that Lanza was "being treated with psychotropic drugs." I've read a lot of speculation, but I have not read that he was being treated with drugs of any kind.

I haven't seen anything yet. It'll take a few days for the media to compile a biographical detail. I'll post it when it comes out.

[Pliny]

I was sarcastically taking a jab at conspiracy theorists, man. I don't believe that crap.

I was just ensuring you that I am not a conspiracy theorist.

[cybercoma]

I don't think you are.

[Guest Manny]

You miss my point. My point is not that the government get to know hidden people but that their neighbors do.

I do understand your point, completely. And I would enlarge on it to include more than just strange people. See my first response in this thread, shortly below yours. I think it matters.

But I'm also thinking that even if we all did things like reach out more to strangers and one another, it may still not completely stop violent episodes from happening. What it takes is that people close to the troubled person, those who know them and deeply understand them, they are the ones who really need to reach out.

The copy-cat thing is a whole other problem that shows people are looking for an opportunity to make headlines. If they feel they can do something big enough and bad enough, they might give up their own (miserable) existence. That is why I emphasize, we must put a limit to the excessive media hype around events like this. It clearly shows as part of the mechanism.

Edited December 18, 2012 by Manny

[Wilber]

Thought I'd call my daughter in law tonight to find out how she made out with her kids today. Most of them didn't understand and of course they are reviewing their security and lock down procedures but it was an OK day she said.

[Guest Manny]

Thought I'd call my daughter in law tonight to find out how she made out with her kids today. Most of them didn't understand and of course they are reviewing their security and lock down procedures but it was an OK day she said.

Where is she at?

[Wilber]

Where is she at?

She teaches a kindergarden, grade one split at an Abbotsford elementary school.

[Guest Manny]

Most of them didn't understand

Thatès good, and they dont need to. They donèt even need to hear about it. There is no real understanding of such things anyway, even for adults.

[Wilber]

Thatès good, and they dont need to. They donèt even need to hear about it. There is no real understanding of such things anyway, even for adults.

No they don't and you hope they won't. For me it was the realization that if she had been teaching the grade one class in that school on Friday, she and most of her class would be dead. That's kind of sobering.

Edited December 18, 2012 by Wilber

[Pliny]

The latest is that they no medications or prescription drugs were found at the residence.....sheesh....how reassuring....I think they'll have to dig a little deeper. Medical records have not been released and may not be out of privacy concerns. They say he may have snapped because his Mother was threatening to have him committed but even if that is true it is not enough to turn someone to evil.

The media has a tendency to dismiss the importance of the medical aspect of this. In the Ft. Hood shooting spree they only mentioned in passing a box of prescription drugs found in Hassan's closet. James Holmes was of course studying psychiatry and it sounds like he was self-medicating or his Psychiatrist was experimenting with him.

Sometimes the the act of violence is blamed on the assailant not taking his prescribed medications and it is true that there may be adverse effects from that. You have to be weaned from these drugs properly with the aid of a knowledgeable medical doctor.

[Pliny]

This guy says it all.

https://herbdocblog.com/

and here is another cite...

http://www.policymic.com/articles/20856/adam-lanza-shooting-this-mass-murderer-might-have-been-motivated-by-drugs-not-by-guns

Edited December 19, 2012 by Pliny

[kimmy]

This guy says it all.

https://herbdocblog.com/

I'm calling BS on this guy's claim. I want to see evidence as to what medicines mass-murderers were taking before I take the word of a guy called "The Herb Doc".

This guy has an agenda that's just as obvious as the anti-gun people. His agenda is, "western medicine is barbaric, man! Dig my all-natural healing. Buy my book. Buy my herbs. Far out!"

-k

[Pliny]

I'm calling BS on this guy's claim. I want to see evidence as to what medicines mass-murderers were taking before I take the word of a guy called "The Herb Doc".

This guy has an agenda that's just as obvious as the anti-gun people. His agenda is, "western medicine is barbaric, man! Dig my all-natural healing. Buy my book. Buy my herbs. Far out!"

-k

True. He may be riding a crest. How about this guy :

[WIP]

I'm calling BS on this guy's claim. I want to see evidence as to what medicines mass-murderers were taking before I take the word of a guy called "The Herb Doc".

He is likely extrapolating from a pre-existing conclusion that fits in nicely with his theories, since even with the increased understanding of brain function provided by neuroscience with modern neural imaging machines, the brain is still a virtual black box of complex chemical reactions of billions of neurons - each with 1000 to 10,000 dendritic connections with neighbouring neurons. Suffice it to say that every anti-psychotic and anti-depressive drug ever invented has been created first for unrelated physical treatments, with the psychological benefits being discovered as secondary effects. So, it still is a hit and miss process treating people with mental illnesses or mental disorders. It would have to be a much more exact science to substantiate claims of murder. Problem is that for every kid like this one who goes into a fit of rage(and just happens to have a survivalist mother with lots of deadly guns handy), there are thousands who cannot function normally without some sort of drug intervention.

But, it also needs to be noted that Big Pharma is gaining more and more unrestrained power over medicine through their funding of universities and their medical research. If we haven't reached the point where we can't trust FDA or Health Canada reports on new pharmaceuticals yet, we will be there very soon! A number of years back....well after the wide release of Prozac as the depression cure-all became widely prescribed by doctors, the evidence started filtering in that many women were reacting with fits of rage while taking Prozac. It was serious enough to justify a Prozac defense in a few criminal cases. And who can forget all the people who died from the painreliever - Vioxx, which was put on the market after the manufacturer stuffed some negative test reports. And as far as I know, Viagra is still being sold to guys my age, who can't get it up anymore -- even though it is widely recognized that literally thousands of men have died because lack of ability to get or maintain an erection is usually a symptom of more serious issues like high blood pressure....but then again, most guys would rather take the risk anyway, so maybe that's why it's still on the market!

Edited December 20, 2012 by WIP