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[capricorn]

Official parties get tax rebates for expenses...

True.

ducks lined up..

As presented, your proof is not very compelling.

[cybercoma]

Is it possible for harper to pro rogue parliament for this ?

Ok. That's funny!

[YEGmann]

.. this is the 3rd election in a row where the conservatives violated the election rules and won.

An illegitimate request is not an election rule.

[olpfan1]

This was on my twitter.. if its true then rofl

@CTVNews: Conservatives demand Liberals release their phone records, while refusing to do the same. #cdnpoli

[olpfan1]

Ok. That's funny!

it was a real question. they have a majority i know but if theyre pressured to call an inquiry couldnt they just pro rogue parliament and hope it blows over?

theyve done it before to block reports

[UofGPolitico]

it was a real question. they have a majority i know but if theyre pressured to call an inquiry couldnt they just pro rogue parliament and hope it blows over?

theyve done it before to block reports

It is within the PM's powers to request the GG to prorogue parliament at any time. If asked, convention suggests the GG would accept that request.

[olpfan1]

It is within the PM's powers to request the GG to prorogue parliament at any time. If asked, convention suggests the GG would accept that request.

I have a feeling he will pro rogue parliament at some point then

[UofGPolitico]

I have a feeling he will pro rogue parliament at some point then

He probably won't have too. The HOC takes a week break next week, then the budget drops and then there is a two week Easter break. The only news over this that has been made over the last few days is by the Conservatives themselves. This suggests new information is drying up. The media will grow bored and with the breaks this may die right down. It can always flare back up again if and when EC comes out with more information.

Edited March 6, 2012 by UofGPolitico

[olpfan1]

He probably won't have too. The HOC takes a week break next week, then the budget drops and then there is a two week Easter break. The only news over this that has been made over the last few days is by the Conservatives themselves. This suggests new information is drying up. The media will grow bored and with the breaks this may die right down. It can always flare back up again if and when EC comes out with more information.

They get too many breaks

[cybercoma]

I have a feeling he will pro rogue parliament at some point then

Not likely.

[UofGPolitico]

They get too many breaks

MPs need time to be in their constituencies, or why even bother having directly elected representation?

[jefferiah]

I have done political calling before. Telemarketing firms gather info based on previous surveys or solicitations. But the information is often wrong. It happens quite often that the person being called is grouped into the wrong riding. Simple as that. It's a matter of having the wrong address on file.

[cybercoma]

That's all very nice, but we're talking about deliberately misleading voters by impersonating elections Canada and making the false claim that polls have been relocated due to excessive volume. This isn't a case of inaccurate information, so stop making apologies for fraud. We need to have an open public inquiry to find out who was responsible for the calls that were actually fraudulent. It doesn't look good when the Conservatives are slinging mud trying to block that process.

[jefferiah]

That's all very nice, but we're talking about deliberately misleading voters by impersonating elections Canada and making the false claim that polls have been relocated due to excessive volume.

They do not gather info so well that they could manage to identify non-supporters.

Also, I think the Elections Canada bit is most likely a mistake by the accusers.

[cybercoma]

They do not gather info so well that they could manage to identify non-supporters.

The parties certainly do.

[olpfan1]

Can any conservative supporter answer this question, if the CPC won't release their records why are we supposed to give them the benefit of the doubt that they aren't behind this? hmm hmm

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20120305/robocalls-parliament-protest-120305/

Prime Minister Stephen Harper's Tories are demanding the Liberals release records of calls made on their behalf on the last election -- while at the same time saying there is no reason for the governing party to release their own.

Dean Del Mastro, the parliamentary secretary to the Prime Minister, blamed the Liberals over and over again during question period Monday.

"When those records are made public the Liberal party will in fact have fingered itself for each and every one of those calls," he said.

However, when asked by reporters if the Conservatives would release their own records, Del Mastro said they didn't need to because they are not the guilty party.

"No, because obviously our party is not behind the calls. We know that. We believe the Liberal Party has in fact made these allegations and they've made these allegations knowing full well that they've paid these companies millions of dollars to makes calls to hundreds of thousands of households across the country," he said.

Interim Liberal Leader Bob Rae said his party has agreed to release all phone records, including scripts, from last May's election.

"We're hoping to release stuff as soon as possible," Rae said, following question period.

Read more: http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20120305/robocalls-parliament-protest-120305/#ixzz1oJCN9Soy

[UofGPolitico]

Can any conservative supporter answer this question, if the CPC won't release their records why are we supposed to give them the benefit of the doubt that they aren't behind this? hmm hmm

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20120305/robocalls-parliament-protest-120305/

Prime Minister Stephen Harper's Tories are demanding the Liberals release records of calls made on their behalf on the last election -- while at the same time saying there is no reason for the governing party to release their own.

Dean Del Mastro, the parliamentary secretary to the Prime Minister, blamed the Liberals over and over again during question period Monday.

"When those records are made public the Liberal party will in fact have fingered itself for each and every one of those calls," he said.

However, when asked by reporters if the Conservatives would release their own records, Del Mastro said they didn't need to because they are not the guilty party.

"No, because obviously our party is not behind the calls. We know that. We believe the Liberal Party has in fact made these allegations and they've made these allegations knowing full well that they've paid these companies millions of dollars to makes calls to hundreds of thousands of households across the country," he said.

Interim Liberal Leader Bob Rae said his party has agreed to release all phone records, including scripts, from last May's election.

"We're hoping to release stuff as soon as possible," Rae said, following question period.

Read more: http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20120305/robocalls-parliament-protest-120305/#ixzz1oJCN9Soy

It doesn't really make sense. The Tories are making this much worse for themselves with Dean running around with a different pitch everyday. If the Conservatives have nothing to hide, then there should be no problem in releasing their records. Did the Communications Team take spring break early? What is wrong with the government that is a master of massaging the message?

Edited March 6, 2012 by UofGPolitico

[olpfan1]

"No, because obviously our party is not behind the calls. We know that. We believe the Liberal Party has in fact made these allegations and they've made these allegations knowing full well that they've paid these companies millions of dollars to makes calls to hundreds of thousands of households across the country," he said.

The CPC ADMITTED something happened in their Guelph campaign and now they are saying obviously our party is not behind the calls.. is anyone else confused? maybe I'm understanding this wrong

[olpfan1]

It doesn't really make sense. The Tories are making this much worse for themselves with Dean running around with a different pitch everyday. If the Conservatives have nothing to hide, then there should be no problem in releasing their records. Did the Communications Team take spring break early? What is wrong with the government that is a master of massaging the message?

Maybe this is one message that just can't be spun.. I see no other explanation really

[UofGPolitico]

Maybe this is one message that just can't be spun.. I see no other explanation really

They could have made it a lot less of a story if they weren't slinging the convoluted theories the last few days. They should have just kept denying involvement and saying they support any investigation EC and other authorities are undertaking to get to the bottom of this situation. They also should have maintained day after day that they believe voter suppression is reprehensible and that those involved in it if caught should face the full extent of the law.

[CPCFTW]

I'd like to see a video of Del Mastro actually saying that quote along with the question he was asked. In the HOC he repeatedly said that the Conservatives already provided all of their records to Elections Canada.

Despite it being the title of the article, there was nothing in the video showing Del Mastro supposedly refusing to provide the records other than a clip of a reporter saying "where are your records?" to him.

I hate to be the tinfoil hat wearing type, but it seems like lefty propaganda.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20120305/robocalls-parliament-protest-120305/#ixzz1oJCN9Soy

Watch 0:25 to 0:55. Seems like blatantly partisan news reporting to me.

Edited March 6, 2012 by CPCFTW

[olpfan1]

They could have made it a lot less of a story if they weren't slinging the convoluted theories the last few days. They should have just kept denying involvement and saying they support any investigation EC and other authorities are undertaking to get to the bottom of this situation. They also should have maintained day after day that they believe voter suppression is reprehensible and that those involved in it if caught should face the full extent of the law.

That's what they should have done, but have we ever known the Harper government to be anything but graceful?

Let the opposition flip out, they would have been the ones whom looked out of control..now the Conservatives look like they're spiraling out of control and you know one thing Harper loves the most is being in full control

The Conservatives are fighters though, even when they don't need to be

I remember seeing Baird totally go off on an NDPer for absolutely no reason last year after the election

The NDPer didn't accuse him of anything either, they just won a majority and here is Baird going all out on an NDPer when he should be taking it easy...Its like you have what you wanted man, take a chill pill!

But I think that explains them well, they don't normally need to be in attack dog mode but they always are

[Sa'adoni]

True.

As presented, your proof is not very compelling.

At present them admitting to violating Elections Canada's request not to give out polling location information is compelling.

If you didn't know, that's what Elections Canada does not the parties, know why?

43. No person shall

(a) wilfully obstruct an election officer in the performance of his or her duties;

( without authority, use identification simulating that used by a revising agent or intended to replace that prescribed by the Chief Electoral Officer for that purpose; or

© having been replaced as an election officer, fail to give to their replacement or to an authorized person any election documents or other election materials that the person has received or prepared in the performance of his or her duties.

Directly refusing a directive not to give out polling information is complicit in that since it is their duty to do so, and giving out NOT UP TO DATE information or incorrect information directly obstructs duties of the elections official. IT IS NOT THE ROLE OF THE PARTIES TO ADMINISTER THE ELECTION, ONLY OBSERVE IT!

If people ask about polls they should be referred to elections Canada, and the correct electoral officials.

They violated the law again.

one should also question the consideration of broadcasting vs. telecommunications, if that telecommunications is a prerecorded message that is sent to masses of people.

( being a candidate or an official agent, contravenes subsection 330(2) (foreign broadcasting);

Broadcasting outside Canada

Marginal note:Prohibition — use of broadcasting station outside Canada

330. (1) No person shall, with intent to influence persons to vote or refrain from voting or vote or refrain from voting for a particular candidate at an election, use, aid, abet, counsel or procure the use of a broadcasting station outside Canada, during an election period, for the broadcasting of any matter having reference to an election.

Marginal note:Prohibition — broadcasting outside Canada

(2) During an election period, no person shall broadcast, outside Canada, election advertising with respect to an election.

Non-interference by Foreigners

Marginal note:Prohibition — inducements by non-residents

331. No person who does not reside in Canada shall, during an election period, in any way induce electors to vote or refrain from voting or vote or refrain from voting for a particular candidate unless the person is

(a) a Canadian citizen; or

( a permanent resident within the meaning of subsection 2(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act.

2000, c. 9, s. 331; 2001, c. 27, s. 211.

Edited March 6, 2012 by Sa'adoni

[olpfan1]

I'd like to see a video of Del Mastro actually saying that quote along with the question he was asked. In the HOC he repeatedly said that the Conservatives already provided all of their records to Elections Canada.

Despite it being the title of the article, there was nothing in the video showing Del Mastro supposedly refusing to provide the records other than a clip of a reporter saying "where are your records?" to him.

I hate to be the tinfoil hat wearing type, but it seems like lefty propaganda.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20120305/robocalls-parliament-protest-120305/#ixzz1oJCN9Soy

Watch 0:25 to 0:55. Seems like blatantly partisan news reporting to me.

lol, that doesn't prove he didn't say that, you know CTV doesn't have all the time in the world to focus on their stories, they're mostly between 90 seconds to 120 seconds, what it shows is that you're being blatantly partisan because you're implying all of these journalists and papers and tv stations are reporting a lie

they are making up quotes is what you're implying

[cybercoma]

They could have made it a lot less of a story if they weren't slinging the convoluted theories the last few days. They should have just kept denying involvement and saying they support any investigation EC and other authorities are undertaking to get to the bottom of this situation. They also should have maintained day after day that they believe voter suppression is reprehensible and that those involved in it if caught should face the full extent of the law.

That's what I said. Earlier in the thread and I still say it. By not taking that route, they're making themselves look guilty, whether it's true or not.