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[capricorn]

I was just pointing out the clear double-standard whereby something is only bad if a Conservative is accused of it, amplified by the outright dismissal when that double-standard is pointed-out.

I have come to expect this on a political message board Bryan. The Conservatives hold government so opponents naturally magnify the (in)actions of the ruling party. I recall doing the same thing when the Liberals governed and perhaps just as voraciously. I'm partisan and if anyone here doesn't like that well, tough. If I wanted everyone to agree with me I'd turn to Blogging Tories but that would be boring. That said, keep pointing out the double standard. It makes for better engagement and it gets their dander up.

[capricorn]

It now explains how every political party has ALL our person information and how these lists are likely photocopied and given to any volunteer in ALL the political parties.

Yes, that's very disturbing. And who knows what campaign volunteers do with these lists. I'm sure most campaign workers are honest but what about the unscrupulous ones? Are these lists passed on (or sold to) other actors for purposes other than elections? This is chilling is it not?

[Bryan]

I have come to expect this on a political message board Bryan. The Conservatives hold government so opponents naturally magnify the (in)actions of the ruling party. I recall doing the same thing when the Liberals governed and perhaps just as voraciously. I'm partisan and if anyone here doesn't like that well, tough. If I wanted everyone to agree with me I'd turn to Blogging Tories but that would be boring. That said, keep pointing out the double standard. It makes for better engagement and it gets their dander up.

Partisanship I also expect, it's the hyperbole that gets me. The cries that "this is Nixonian", or that "it's an affront to democracy", when it's business as usual, and not a damn thing to see here are what make me wonder if some of the left-leaning posters even believe what they are writing. Makes debating them in a respectful manner pretty tough when they don't even respect basic things like reality.

The dishonest attacks started long before the CPC took power though. We heard nothing but "hidden agenda" and "Canadian Republicans" right from the start of the Reform Movement. Every damn word of it was bullshit, but that didn't stop the partisans and the media from constantly repeating it. I'll absolutely admit to attacking the Liberals when they were in power, but not once did I just make something up and run with it-- something the lefties do almost every single day.

I'm nowhere near being a die-hard CPCer. I still consider myself to be a Reformer who has parked his support with the CPC for the lack of better choices. I'm more than willing to admit things they do that I don't like.

Blogging Tories is just as frustrating. They are not conservative, so much as they are just CPC. Anyone with an opinion that is contrary to the govt position on the grounds that it's not a conservative policy is shouted down just as much as if he were an NDPer.

Edited February 27, 2012 by Bryan

[olpfan1]

to offset the decline of respect Canadians have in the electoral process as a result of these events.

Yeah, 1 or 2 by elections are going to appease the rest of Canada.. I hope you don't think that

Our trust in the election process is now damaged more than ever..maybe next election the rest of the 40 % who didn't vote will vote this cheating government out

[olpfan1]

I find the information you presented on this link very interesting.

That Elections Canada under the National Register of Electors gives all our personal information to all the political parties

Somehow I do not see any of the political parties wanting to change this gift from Elections Canada because every political party will want all our personal information.

It now explains how every political party has ALL our person information and how these lists are likely photocopied and given to any volunteer in ALL the political parties.

This now explains how the Conservative, Liberal, NDP Supporters Lists are so accessible to anyone.

But still those responsible for the harassing and rude calls and the misdirecting calls need to be apprehended and charged, IMO all the political parties want to see that outcome.

Thanks for the information, it was enlightening.

That is so wrong...how did we not know this?! Time to amend that so nobody's information gets to any party

[olpfan1]

Partisanship I also expect, it's the hyperbole that gets me. The cries that "this is Nixonian", or that "it's an affront to democracy", when it's business as usual, and not a damn thing to see here are what make me wonder if some of the left-leaning posters even believe what they are writing.

If you seriously think this is business as usual maybe I should report you to Elections Canada..you could have been involved in this if you consider this "business as usual"

[Bryan]

If you seriously think this is business as usual maybe I should report you to Elections Canada..you could have been involved in this if you consider this "business as usual"

Thank you for once again proving my point by example.

[Bryan]

When I read Capricorn's link on the the subject I could not believe it either, but Elections Canada appears to give out all our personal information to all political parties. I doubt if any political party is going to change that policy.

It's true. When I scrutineered in the last few elections, I was more than a little uncomfortable with the level of information we had given to us by Elections Canada as well. I absolutely don't think EC should be handing that info out without people's consent. It's just one of the reasons I do not fill out the census.

[olpfan1]

When I read Capricorn's link on the the subject I could not believe it either, but Elections Canada appears to give out all our personal information to all political parties. I doubt if any political party is going to change that policy.

I am going to write to my MP about this..though unfortunately he is conservative

and elections canada

Edited February 27, 2012 by olpfan1

[olpfan1]

I thought the CPC wanted to get rid of registries .. but this is a bigger registry than the gun registry

[Bryan]

I thought the CPC wanted to get rid of registries .. but this is a bigger registry than the gun registry

This is a good one for the public to latch onto. It has the added bonus of actually being true.

Will any party hitch their wagon to abolishing it though? No matter which one did, the others would cry foul. If the Conservatives were to try to pass a law limiting it, you KNOW the lefties would torque it into them trying to get one over on the lowly opposition, or that they're trying to dictate the rules to EC, etc. Even if they did exactly what YOU wanted, it would still get presented as "hidden agenda".

[olpfan1]

This is a good one for the public to latch onto. It has the added bonus of actually being true.

Will any party hitch their wagon to abolishing it though? No matter which one did, the others would cry foul. If the Conservatives were to try to pass a law limiting it, you KNOW the lefties would torque it into them trying to get one over on the lowly opposition, or that they're trying to dictate the rules to EC, etc. Even if they did exactly what YOU wanted, it would still get presented as "hidden agenda".

Maybe before...but now that all of this is out in the open and not going away I bet its going to be in the news

and there might be enough public opinion to amend it..we're at a time where we want our privacy more than other years in the past

I would forgive the CPC if they made it so this can't happen again..they'd have to erase all records though.. no keeping any

Edited February 27, 2012 by olpfan1

[CPCFTW]

I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out to be a scheme by the liberals or NDP. We have already seen their contempt of the electoral process when they overthrew a democratically elected government forcing weary Canadians to the polls in their lust for power. It's possible they saw the conservatives polling well and decided on a last ditch attempt to try to bully their way into power against the will of the electorate. I would love if this were the case as it would likely mean another decade or more of conservative rule.

Reports of calls from the US? Well we know which party leader had significant ties to the US... Better start packing up Iggy, we're onto you.

Polls were indicating that the liberals would be obliterated... they were certainly the party with nothing to lose from pulling this stunt.

Edited February 27, 2012 by CPCFTW

[Evening Star]

We have already seen their contempt of the electoral process when they overthrew a democratically elected government forcing weary Canadians to the polls in their lust for power.

WTF are you on about? When democratically elected representatives call for a confidence vote in a minority Parliament, that is not "overthrowing a democratically elected government": it is how a democratically elected government functions in the Parliamentary system.

Edited February 27, 2012 by Evening Star

[olpfan1]

I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out to be a scheme by the liberals or NDP. We have already seen their contempt of the electoral process when they overthrew a democratically elected government forcing weary Canadians to the polls in their lust for power.

what? harper pro rogued parliament before they could do that

Oh and BTW the CPC led by Harper & NDP and The Bloc were in cahoots to overthrow the liberal government once too

so please, enough

[olpfan1]

Polls were indicating that the liberals would be obliterated... they were certainly the party with nothing to lose from pulling this stunt.

The polls I read indicated a Conservative minority..

[olpfan1]

I also want a ban of robo calling during an election, I want the calls to originate from canada too

Get on it Ottawa!

[CPCFTW]

The polls I read indicated a Conservative minority..

Yup and a liberal obliteration.

[waldo]

I'm nowhere near being a die-hard CPCer. I still consider myself to be a Reformer who has parked his support with the CPC for the lack of better choices. I'm more than willing to admit things they do that I don't like.

oh my! Not a die-hard!... uhhh, apparently you seem to quite like everything, hey?

[Bryan]

oh my! Not a die-hard!... uhhh, apparently you seem to quite like everything, hey?

No, I don't like everything. Not even close.

[Bryan]

what? harper pro rogued parliament before they could do that

Oh and BTW the CPC led by Harper & NDP and The Bloc were in cahoots to overthrow the liberal government once too

so please, enough

Awesome, more lying again.

[Shakeyhands]

Awesome, more lying again.

Really? Which part?

[huh]

Hey!!!

Pierre Poilievre is here!!

'sup,Pete?

Yea sorry, i like to have evidence before i persecute people, maybe its that logical part of me that causes me to despise the likes of you.

Imagine! Evidence, pshaw.

[cybercoma]

WTF are you on about? When democratically elected representatives call for a confidence vote in a minority Parliament, that is not "overthrowing a democratically elected government": it is how a democratically elected government functions in the Parliamentary system.

You're giving a serious answer to a troll. It's best just to ignore CPCFTW.

[cybercoma]

what? harper pro rogued parliament before they could do that

Oh and BTW the CPC led by Harper & NDP and The Bloc were in cahoots to overthrow the liberal government once too

so please, enough

It's not "overthrowing" the "democratically elected" government. Nobody elects the governemnt. The Prime Minister is appointed by the Governor General, who creates a cabinet, because (s)he has the confidence of Parliament, which is elected. If that means a coalition getting together, then that's all part of the democratic process in this country.