punked Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Is that the same as the AV system that the Brits voted on? Run off is much like a primary system, if no gets 50% the top two run off against each other so someone wins with a majority vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evening Star Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Run off is much like a primary system, if no gets 50% the top two run off against each other so someone wins with a majority vote. Would you use a preferential ballot or hold a second election in the riding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j44 Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Take a few hours?All I need is a few seconds to tell you that a true NDPer would not attack one of their strongest members on an opinion! WWWTT I don't think I attacked her opinions I said her debate performances were poor. I didn't say I was a 'true NDPer' (although I don't know what that means) I said I wasn't Conservative. I'm still waiting for you to post my conservative comments. Take your time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Would you use a preferential ballot or hold a second election in the riding? Personally I would hold a second election in the ridding 2 weeks later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olpfan1 Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 If Cullen does not win I won't be voting ndp.. will be up to the libs to elect a decent leader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olpfan1 Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Topp& Muclair both look and sound like grumpy old men Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 If Cullen does not win I won't be voting ndp.. will be up to the libs to elect a decent leader Cullen hasn't even run his "cooperation" plan by the Liberals yet. I hope he doesn't come anywhere near winning this thing. If he does, you can kiss the NDP goodbye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j44 Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Cullen hasn't even run his "cooperation" plan by the Liberals yet. I hope he doesn't come anywhere near winning this thing. If he does, you can kiss the NDP goodbye. You don't think he can/will appeal to independent and traditionally Liberal voters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olpfan1 Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Cullen hasn't even run his "cooperation" plan by the Liberals yet. I hope he doesn't come anywhere near winning this thing. If he does, you can kiss the NDP goodbye. If he doesn't you can kiss Canada good bye and say hello to a 2nd Harper majority Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olpfan1 Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Ndp and liberals will split the left wing vote and conservatives will sneak in and win again we need a united left to beat a united right .. we may not want to but deal with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundlander Posted March 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Run off the only way to go. I guess someone is a Liberal now seeing this is the system they approved as policy in January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 If he doesn't you can kiss Canada good bye and say hello to a 2nd Harper majority I voted NDP in the last election, but I would vote Liberal if Bob Rae was their leader against Cullen. You don't think he can/will appeal to independent and traditionally Liberal voters? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j44 Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 I voted NDP in the last election, but I would vote Liberal if Bob Rae was their leader against Cullen. No. What is it that turns you off from him? Or that You think will not appeal to independents/Liberals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 I'm still waiting for you to post my conservative comments. Take your time. Well keep waiting,heres a tip on how to make to time go by faster-hold your breath! WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j44 Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 Well keep waiting,heres a tip on how to make to time go by faster-hold your breath! WWWTT Face it you know they don't exist. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 Face it you know they don't exist. Thanks. Please do not confuse my ability to properly organize my time for issues of relevance to as to why I am ignoring your request. But something tells me that you will not let this one go.So go ahead and and have your tidy rant.And don't disapoint me! WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 What is it that turns you off from him? Or that You think will not appeal to independents/Liberals? He's a clever and affable fellow, but he'll be eaten alive in the debates as the leader of the party. I don't agree with his plan to sell out the party for electoral reform either. He also said his plan would allow the local associations to decide for themselves whether they want to cooperate or not. What's he going to do if the majority of them choose not to? It's just not a good plan. I can't stand strategic voting. People ought to vote for that they believe in, not against the party they don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evening Star Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 WWWTT, are you sure you're not confusing j44 with someone else? I've not seen anything that suggests that he is a conservative either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j44 Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 Please do not confuse my ability to properly organize my time for issues of relevance to as to why I am ignoring your request. But something tells me that you will not let this one go.So go ahead and and have your tidy rant.And don't disapoint me! WWWTT I'd never want to disappoint you. I'd bet that you spent more time here today than I have. And it is not like you have to spend any significant amount of time searching. You would just have to tell me what you saw that made you say I was a conservative to begin with. But you won't do that. You should have facts to back up your case before making comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evening Star Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) He's a clever and affable fellow, but he'll be eaten alive in the debates as the leader of the party. I don't agree with his plan to sell out the party for electoral reform either. He also said his plan would allow the local associations to decide for themselves whether they want to cooperate or not. What's he going to do if the majority of them choose not to? It's just not a good plan. I can't stand strategic voting. People ought to vote for that they believe in, not against the party they don't. I could respect his idea more if he were advocating an outright merger. There is just no sensible reason why NDP candidates should run competitively against Liberals in some ridings and co-operate with them in other ridings. Are they two different parties with different agendas who are competing with each other or are they not? It's so half-baked and actually leads me to question his judgment more generally. And, as you note, he hasn't even run it by the Liberals. When MPs get elected on their own (or their party's) merits and then decide to co-operate on certain issues in the House, that's an ENTIRELY different thing. Edit: I think I've been convinced to leave him off my ballot. Another edit: Your last sentence leads to another problem with this: it assumes that Liberal and NDP voters all oppose the Conservatives more than they oppose each other or even more than they support their own party. In my opinion, that's not a safe bet. I think there are, for example, many Liberal voters in suburban Ontario who would prefer the CPC to the NDP and NDP voters in Quebec and the Prairies who might choose the BQ or CPC over the NDP. Edited March 5, 2012 by Evening Star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evening Star Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 Personally I would hold a second election in the ridding 2 weeks later. I don't have any problem with the system you propose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundlander Posted March 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 I don't have any problem with the system you propose. Really? Instead of selecting multiple choices on a ballot we'll just hold multiple federal elections? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evening Star Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) Really? Instead of selecting multiple choices on a ballot we'll just hold multiple federal elections? OK, yeah, that could get expensive. I mean, I've stated my preferred system already, which would be very easy to implement compared to most of the other suggestions. Edited March 5, 2012 by Evening Star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundlander Posted March 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 OK, yeah, that could get expensive. I mean, I've stated my preferred system already, which would be very easy to implement compared to most of the other suggestions. Besides the cost how many people do you think will be up for voting twice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olpfan1 Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 The conservatives have figured out how to win... by uniting the right.. Cullen is going in the right direction here If you honestly believe ndp or lpc will win another election on their own you're dead wrong, we're not in the 90's anymore things are different.. we know the conservatives have the numbers.. its simple math They won with 39% of the vote.. the other parties will NOT get 39% alone, not with this vote split of the left FACE IT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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