Trudeau loses it in QP

[Scotty]

You don't understand that people aren't like a manufactured good? That's tough to understand? Tell me about the wishes and desires of a car. Let me know what a Lincoln think about the Good and ethics. How does a car feel and react when it's being oppressed and discriminated against?

The logic is the same. Seriously? People are just like a branded product.

Even your own terrible metaphor falls apart when you consider product changes and improvements over time or the various models within a brand. You think a 2012 Elantra has the same reliability as a 1993 Elantra? For that matter, do you think you can judge all GM products on the failure rate of the Aveo? Because that's exactly what you're arguing.

No, I'm not, and logic works on anything. The logic in this case is identical, regardless of your attempts to dismiss it. Groups are judged on the overall average performance or behaviour of those groups. And that includes groups of people and groups of cars, or groups of nations. You can certainly judge a car or model of a certain year, regardless of the fact many of those cars turned out to be flawless. Likewise, you can suggest that a certain group shares similar traits, notwithstanding the certainty that this is not a universal thing.

[cybercoma]

The problem is the ecological fallacy you commit when you say individuals have the characteristics of the group.

[Evening Star]

Cars are mass produced to basically be identical to other cars of the same make and model. Human beings are not manufactured in anything close to the same way. Thus, it seems much less reliable to say that people of type x have characteristic y than it is to make generalized statements about the performance of models of cars. Seems pretty straightforward.

[cybercoma]

Cars are mass produced to basically be identical to other cars of the same make and model. Human beings are not manufactured in anything close to the same way. Thus, it seems much less reliable to say that people of type x have characteristic y than it is to make generalized statements about the performance of models of cars. Seems pretty straightforward.

Like it really needs to be explained. He can't possibly be serious.