First Nations peoples are being eradicated by

[peterpan]

There has always been that the belief that the Anglican and Catholic churches had forcced native children to attend schools. These decisions to set up residential schools were made by the Federal Canadian Government in an effort to educate a people who were not in the position of providing and education to their own. It was a decision made to help a people get off the reserves and into a world where they could earn a living and have a career. Only the Anglican and Catholic Churches had the ability to offer these natives schooling. The Federal Government set up the schools and these churches provided the teachers.The Government made it clear that the native language could not be used at school or on premises. The teachers did what they were requested and taught English as the first language. There were some successes where natives partivularly in Alberta and BC went on to become wealthy businessmen. There were a lot of unsuccessful natives that did not farewell. Some were mistreated and both churches were later sued in copurt and repaid for their treatment. The Anglican Church of Canada declared bankruptcy over the law suits in order to meet the demdas of the court.

[Guest Peeves]

There has always been that the belief that the Anglican and Catholic churches had forcced native children to attend schools. These decisions to set up residential schools were made by the Federal Canadian Government in an effort to educate a people who were not in the position of providing and education to their own. It was a decision made to help a people get off the reserves and into a world where they could earn a living and have a career. Only the Anglican and Catholic Churches had the ability to offer these natives schooling. The Federal Government set up the schools and these churches provided the teachers.The Government made it clear that the native language could not be used at school or on premises. The teachers did what they were requested and taught English as the first language. There were some successes where natives partivularly in Alberta and BC went on to become wealthy businessmen. There were a lot of unsuccessful natives that did not farewell. Some were mistreated and both churches were later sued in copurt and repaid for their treatment. The Anglican Church of Canada declared bankruptcy over the law suits in order to meet the demdas of the court.

In other words, done with the best intentions considering the 'old ways' of hunting fishing were not

sustainable in contemporary times. One might argue the alternative of reservations would be dismally destructive for first nations in the long run.

[Guest Manny]

In other words, done with the best intentions considering the 'old ways' of hunting fishing were not

sustainable in contemporary times. One might argue the alternative of reservations would be dismally destructive for first nations in the long run.

Ahh, yes... which reinstates my age old tired saying... "The road to hell..." etc etc.

Damn those aphorisms

[Guest Peeves]

Ahh, yes... which reinstates my age old tired saying... "The road to hell..." etc etc.

Damn those aphorisms

And the torpedoes.

The church has noble things to be praised for and those others to be condemned.

The government is what we get when we ask for more.

[g_bambino]

Bingo. Canada wasn't nearly as important to Europe as historians like to pretend.

I think it certainly was important to certain people in Europe as a source of raw materials and later as an obstruction against American expansionism. Regardless, if you agree with my theory as to why anti-Catholic and common British law was imposed on the former French colonies of North America, you must therefore disagree with prairiechicken's assertion that the Royal Proclamation was, at least in part, a means to deliberately extinguish the French presence on this continent.

That's why this isn't as simple and straight-forward as charter.rights claims, although I give him/her all the respect in the world for being so well-researched in the area.

I wouldn't be so quick to give credence to his assertions. He may well have done a lot of research, but his readings and interpretations of some of it are so off base it puts all his claims into question.

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[cybercoma]

I think it certainly was important to certain people in Europe as a source of raw materials and later as an obstruction against American expansionism. Regardless, if you agree with my theory as to why anti-Catholic and common British law was imposed on the former French colonies of North America, you must therefore disagree with prairiechicken's assertion that the Royal Proclamation was, at least in part, a means to deliberately extinguish the French presence on this continent.]

I don't think I ever disagreed with you. The English, save for their treatment of the Acadians, never tried to "extinguish" the French.

[g_bambino]

I don't think I ever disagreed with you. The English, save for their treatment of the Acadians, never tried to "extinguish" the French.

Well, prairiechickin claimed "A program of assimilation was announced accordingly in 1763 by Royal Proclamation", about which you said "He's right to the extent that it established British Colonial governments in North America." I took the latter to mean you thought the establishment of British goverment was or was a part of the program of assimilation. Something must have got lost or misinterpreted along the way.

[cybercoma]

Yeah, I think I ignored the "program" part as hyperbole or a poor choice of words. To be sure, the British established in the wake of their victory British laws and governance in their newly acquired colony. That's not to say assimilation, but it's a marked change from what the French were accustomed to, namely the Civil Code and Roman Catholicism. When the British realized they were outnumbered and couldn't occupy the territory fast enough, they had to make concessions to those in Quebec. There was never a specific "program" or even so much as an attempt to really assimilate the French. To be honest, I don't even think the British really gave a crap about winning Canada. It certainly wasn't anywhere near as valuable as the holdings in the West Indies and India at that time, although not entirely valueless either. Anyway, I think I just ignored the idea that there was some sort of "program" to assimilate the French because I thought he was exaggerating.

[prairiechickin]

Anyway, I think I just ignored the idea that there was some sort of "program" to assimilate the French because I thought he was exaggerating.

See post #489, previous page. I'm not exaggerating, its a direct quote from a standard undergrad history textbook. I only brought this up to show how the Royal Proclamation was not some Indian Magna Charta, but rather a blueprint for British intentions in North America following the defeat of the French. Natives were included to be sure, but the document was primarily directed at the English colonists to the south assuring them that the French would be de-Frenched. That program never took place because the southern colonies revolted anyway, and the British introduced the Quebec Act 1774 to mollify the French so Quebec would not seize the moment to rebel as well. All of this ties into this thread because some posters insist the Proclamation holds great significance as some sort of recognition of nation-to-nation understanding between the British and North American Natives. It wasn't -- the Natives were included to be sure, but only as one group in a much larger drama involving the French and the rebellious colonies to the south.

[g_bambino]

I only brought this up to show how the Royal Proclamation was not some Indian Magna Charta, but rather a blueprint for British intentions in North America following the defeat of the French.

It isn't a matter of being one or the other; it was both.

[T]he document was primarily directed at the English colonists to the south assuring them that the French would be de-Frenched.

Despite what your one source says, there's no indication of that in the Royal Proclamation itself. To say the proclamation was intended to "de-French" the French is a presumption, at best.

[cybercoma]

Imagine... an undergraduate textbook oversimplifying things.

[peterpan]

The Federal Government must sit down with the Natives and negotiate a new Indian Act. The present Act has never been changed in decades and is responsible for many of the on going problems occurring on the reserves. Trudeau attempted to change things in the 70's with the introduction of the white paper. This new act had it been signed would have turned all reserve territory rights and ownership over to the Federal Government. An Indian manitoba legislator named Harper brought it to the attention of the Indian Chiefs and fought against this new act. It was cancelled as Trudeau and Chretain were humiliated in attempting to swindle the reserves from the natives in Canada. At least, the conservative Governments have settled more Land treaties with the Natives then any other preceeding party have done in the history of Canada.

The land claim in Haldimand will be settled once the Liberal party is thrown out of Office. The original land claim which has proven to be false was innitiated by a native group who seized the land in an attempt to make a deal with the provincial Government to allow them to build a casino. The Province purchased the land and it remains part of the property of the Government and has not been sol;d or turned over to the Natives. According to the treaty, this portion of land has never been native land given to them. In a court of law, the natives have been informed of this fact.

[charter.rights]

The land claim in Haldimand will be settled once the Liberal party is thrown out of Office. The original land claim which has proven to be false was innitiated by a native group who seized the land in an attempt to make a deal with the provincial Government to allow them to build a casino. The Province purchased the land and it remains part of the property of the Government and has not been sol;d or turned over to the Natives. According to the treaty, this portion of land has never been native land given to them. In a court of law, the natives have been informed of this fact.

It has already been settled. Six Nations gets DCE back. The provincial government is waiting until the dust settles (the $25 million payout to the residents and businesses of Caledonia) to make that announcement.

Six Nation has also restarted the original lawsuit that included the Plank Road claim. The provincial government has already handed over the Burtch Tract as well as some lots that Six Nations has purchase to add to the reserve.