First Nations peoples are being eradicated by

[Battletoads]

And if the military were used, we would be condemned by the UN and possibly invaded by peacekeepers for attacking our own people and breaking the UN conventions on aboriginal rights.

Really? Last time a splinter group popped up in Canada the international community didn't seem to mind Canada doing everything it could to crush the group.

[charter.rights]

There's a reason the chief of Attawapiskat is trying her best to stop 3rd party management

she doesn't want to get caught

Don't be stupid.

The reason is that legally 3rd party management can only be used if the Band has shown accounting irregularities. Attawapiskat is in good financial accounting based on their numerous audits and their co-manager appointed by the government 8 years ago.

Spence is resiting third party management because it will cost them $1300 per day and they will get nothing out of it. They have a funding problem, not management problem.

[olp1fan]

Don't be stupid.

The reason is that legally 3rd party management can only be used if the Band has shown accounting irregularities. Attawapiskat is in good financial accounting based on their numerous audits and their co-manager appointed by the government 8 years ago.

Spence is resiting third party management because it will cost them $1300 per day and they will get nothing out of it. They have a funding problem, not management problem.

most Canadians do not believe that propaganda

[cybercoma]

The reality is that the First Nations peoples lost very nearly all that they had. They lost it because we took it from them in battle, that is the reality.

What battle was that? You know, they used to sign treaties after battles back then, right? ie, Treaty of Utrecht, Treaty of Paris, etc. So it seems that the treaties with the First Nations indicate they never gave up their lands. You seem to be making up your own reality.

[charter.rights]

The reality is that the First Nations peoples lost very nearly all that they had. They lost it because we took it from them in battle, that is the reality. What is happening today has nothing to do with past victories and defeats. It has nothing to do with land claims or compensation, it has everything to do with an attempt to reclaim lost honour. That is the truth of the matter. The entire Six Nations claim in Ontario is based on the harsh reality that one designated representative of their own group facilitated the transfer of title to native lands unto non-native hands. That was done almost a hundred years before this nation came into existence. One native screwing another native two centuries ago does not constitute a treaty violation on the part of the Canadian government. If you want to point a finger, then go chase the down the relatives of the agents of the crown who facilitated the transfer of the entire package of lands now called Canada. Is not the Queen the official Head of State of Canada anyway? At least it was Her direct lineage that can be traced without question or problem, it was Her ancestors that put pen to paper in the first place, so why not put the blame where it belongs?

You are out of touch with reality.

Most of Canada does not have any treaties. We are illegally occupying it.

[charter.rights]

most Canadians do not believe that propaganda

YOU aren't "most of Canadians" and aren't qualified to speak on our behalf. So it is just another ignorant comment by a nobody.

[cybercoma]

The queen is a figurehead, any attempt by her to exercise even the slightest power without the blessing of an elected government would result in a constitutional crisis.

Paging bambino.

Not only is the Queen the Head of State, but her agreements have been blessed by the elected government in the form of the Constitution and Charter of Rights which recognize those agreements and the Queen's supremacy.

[charter.rights]

What battle was that? You know, they used to sign treaties after battles back then, right? ie, Treaty of Utrecht, Treaty of Paris, etc. So it seems that the treaties with the First Nations indicate they never gave up their lands. You seem to be making up your own reality.

Sure he is. I pointed out weeks ago that he was making up fantasies and trying to pass them off.

[Bryan]

The people who could even by the greatest stretch of the imagination have actually had a legitimate claim to any of that land or this mythical trust fund have died several generations ago. Previous ownership of all kinds of property gets legally converted to its current possessor in a lot less time all the time. It's continuously held up in court. It only takes a very short time well within a person's lifetime for the person who is continually using a property to acquire the permanent rights to it from the previous owner who is not living there.

[olp1fan]

YOU aren't "most of Canadians" and aren't qualified to speak on our behalf. So it is just another ignorant comment by a nobody.

look at the comment sections of national post, globe and mail, ctv, cbc ..majority disagree with you

[Jerry J. Fortin]

The queen is a figurehead, any attempt by her to exercise even the slightest power without the blessing of an elected government would result in a constitutional crisis.

Governments are like corporations, mere figureheads to mitigate harm without serious legal ramifications. My point was that the treaty was one endorsed by the Monarch by design, and as such the Crown must accept responsibility for ALL outcomes.

[cybercoma]

most Canadians do not believe that propaganda

Most Canadians are idiots then. All the information is available to the public: the financial reports, the audits, the cost of 3rd party management, and the auditor's general reports crticizing the government's handling of First Nation management.

[charter.rights]

Really? Last time a splinter group popped up in Canada the international community didn't seem to mind Canada doing everything it could to crush the group.

Three years ago the OPP shut down Canada's busiest highway - the 401 - for 24 hours because 20 Mohawk Warriors from eastern Ontario threatened to shut it down over a land claim that was being ignored. The OPP laid lots of charges but only 1 breach of probation stuck and the offender was released for "time served". Guess who won?

[olp1fan]

Three years ago the OPP shut down Canada's busiest highway - the 401 - for 24 hours because 20 Mohawk Warriors from eastern Ontario threatened to shut it down over a land claim that was being ignored. The OPP laid lots of charges but only 1 breach of probation stuck and the offender was released for "time served". Guess who won?

and will they get off when the Indians start burning down buildings and killing people?

[charter.rights]

The people who could even by the greatest stretch of the imagination have actually had a legitimate claim to any of that land or this mythical trust fund have died several generations ago. Previous ownership of all kinds of property gets legally converted to its current possessor in a lot less time all the time. It's continuously held up in court. It only takes a very short time well within a person's lifetime for the person who is continually using a property to acquire the permanent rights to it from the previous owner who is not living there.

Nope. Wrong again.

The Mohawk Nation and Six Nations (Mohawks are part of the Six Nations) are still alive and functional. Their claim is not only current, but the Queen recognizes the Mohawks and Six Nations as allies (not citizens). See the post above about her commemoration of 300 years of the Silver Covenant Chain Treaties.....

[wyly]

You're assuming the military wouldn't be shooting to kill, if you catch my drift.

you've seen to many john wayne movies if you catch my drift...canada's military is too small to deal with a home grown insurgency if it were based on 1.2 million native population...

[charter.rights]

and will they get off when the Indians start burning down buildings and killing people?

That depends. Corporal LeMay at Oka might be someone to ask....opps! You can't! Someone shot him and no one was ever charged for it....

And there there was Acting Sargent Kenneth Deane who shot Dudley George at Ipperwash. Seems he was mysteriously run off Highway 7 about 6 months after he was convicted. Seems street justices has long tentacles.

Edited December 13, 2011 by charter.rights

[Jerry J. Fortin]

That depends. Corporal LeMay at Oka might be someone to ask....opps! You can't! Someone shot him and no one was ever charged for it....

And there there was Acting Sargent Kenneth Deane who shot Dudley George at Ipperwash. Seems he was mysteriously run off Highway 7 about 6 months after he was convicted. Seems street justices has long tentacles.

Seems so. Do you support that ?

[olp1fan]

That depends. Corporal LeMay at Oka might be someone to ask....opps! You can't! Someone shot him and no one was ever charged for it....

And there there was Acting Sargent Kenneth Deane who shot Dudley George at Ipperwash. Seems he was mysteriously run off Highway 7 about 6 months after he was convicted. Seems street justices has long tentacles.

Okay he was the police I just read

Edited December 13, 2011 by olp1fan

[charter.rights]

You're assuming the military wouldn't be shooting to kill, if you catch my drift.

3500 Troops and 150 Surete du Quebec against 25 Mohawk Warriors at Oka. The military has rules. The Warriors do not.

[charter.rights]

Bad things happen when you shoot at police

Nothing. Nada. Zilch.

Some say the Surete du Quebec shot their own. Kenneth Deane was likely taken out by the Banditos or Hells Angles both sympathetic to Native causes.

[Martin Chriton]

Your opinion is irrelevant.

The land belongs to them and so does their trust account. They are wealthy and will eventually get access to all that money and resources.

If they ever try we will raise up in arms and shoot them all dead. Period. Don't ever kid yourself about that -- they won't take the land/homes that folks spent their hole lives working for.

My family lost sizable assets and land in the world wars in Europe. It's gone now as is anything like your outrageous claims.

You are out of touch with reality.

Most of Canada does not have any treaties. We are illegally occupying it.

You might as well give up and get a job. The tax benefits are going away too it's just a matter of time. We should all be treated equally, there shouldn't be multiple classes of people.

I don't feel bad for any of them. I think subsidizing their way of life has been the worst thing we could've done for them. No tax breaks, no grants, no special treatment.

[olp1fan]

Nothing. Nada. Zilch.

Some say the Surete du Quebec shot their own. Kenneth Deane was likely taken out by the Banditos or Hells Angles both sympathetic to Native causes.

Anything is possible when the story is unclear

[charter.rights]

Seems so. Do you support that ?

Many experts claim it may be inevitable. When negotiation and reconciliation fails, increasing levels of violence and unrest will follow. It doesn't matter whether I support it or not. But we should be doing everything in our power to avoid the consequence of our own inaction and the blatant racism demonstrate here and elsewhere.

[Martin Chriton]

The unelected monarch that is recognized by our Constitution as our Head of State. Yeah. In other words, public sympathy doesn't matter. The First Nations have the rule of law behind them.

Rule of law is decided by Canadians. Not a tiny minority. Majority won't let themselves be ruled by a small minority.