Tories keep pushing and pushing

[Topaz]

The Lib. MP Irwin Cotler, had calls from his constituents, that Campaign Research, which has ties with the provincial and federal Tories, have been asking if they would VOTE for the Tories in a IMMINNENT by election? Problem is this is NO by election! I think after seeing Colter try to make many amendments to the justice bill in committee, the old Tory war room is stirring up trouble and I think its time that we find out if this is true and then fine them 250,000.00! http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/inside-politics-blog/2011/11/by-election-what-by-election---liberal-mp-irwin-cotler-launches-complaint-over-misleading-mystery-po.html

[olp1fan]

your link is faulty and i do not undestand what the issue is

[cybercoma]

Link works just fine for me and the issue is this, according to Cotler from the provided link:

I am quoting here from a ruling by Speaker Bosley, though it is sometimes mis-attributed to Speaker Fraser. The ruling is as follows:

It should go without saying that a Member of Parliament needs to perform his functions effectively and that anything tending to cause confusion as to a member's identity creates the possibility of an impediment to the fulfilment of that Member's functions.

Here is the key point, Mr. Speaker. I continue:

Any action which impedes or tends to impede a member in the discharge of his duties is a breach of privilege.

[Wild Bill]

The Lib. MP Irwin Cotler, had calls from his constituents, that Campaign Research, which has ties with the provincial and federal Tories, have been asking if they would VOTE for the Tories in a IMMINNENT by election? Problem is this is NO by election! I think after seeing Colter try to make many amendments to the justice bill in committee, the old Tory war room is stirring up trouble and I think its time that we find out if this is true and then fine them 250,000.00! http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/inside-politics-blog/2011/11/by-election-what-by-election---liberal-mp-irwin-cotler-launches-complaint-over-misleading-mystery-po.html

If I were a Tory and wanted to stir up trouble I would think I wouldn't quite so clumsy at it as to poll for a non-existent byelection! There are lots of better ways that wouldn't so easily backfire.

Wouldn't it be more likely that some dumbass somewhere, either a Tory junior staffer giving the job to the pollster or someone in the pollster's office, screwed up?

Really, the Tories are SO clearly in the wrong that you'd have to be a pretty thick partisan to think that this was deliberate! As happened, when they started polling it immediately hit the media that the Tories were in the wrong. Surely they would have been a lot sneakier if it was deliberate.

But, when you truly hate the Tories so much, as John Crosbie said about Free Trade after it was enacted by the Tory party : "From now on, every sparrow that falls will be blamed on us!"

[Tilter]

The Lib. MP Irwin Cotler

, had calls from his constituents, that Campaign Research, which has ties with the provincial and federal Tories, have been asking if they would VOTE for the Tories in a IMMINNENT by election? Problem is this is NO by election! I think after seeing Colter try to make many amendments to the justice bill in committee, the old Tory war room is stirring up trouble and I think its time that we find out if this is true and then fine them 250,000.00! http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/inside-politics-blog/2011/11/by-election-what-by-election---liberal-mp-irwin-cotler-launches-complaint-over-misleading-mystery-po.html

There is no issue here.

The Lib. MP Irwin Cotler

Imagine that---- a liberal trying to stir up trouble.

He should look into his own small beleaguered party for the smell of scandal -- the reason so many Canadians have booted them from the HOPC

Campaign Research, which has ties with the provincial and federal Tories

What ties???

[Topaz]

There is no issue here.

Imagine that---- a liberal trying to stir up trouble.

He should look into his own small beleaguered party for the smell of scandal -- the reason so many Canadians have booted them from the HOPC

What ties???

As far as ties this is what I found.... http://www.vancouverobserver.com/politics/2011/10/19/campaign-research-inc-npas-not-so-secret-weapon

[Topaz]

If I were a Tory and wanted to stir up trouble I would think I wouldn't quite so clumsy at it as to poll for a non-existent byelection! There are lots of better ways that wouldn't so easily backfire.

Wouldn't it be more likely that some dumbass somewhere, either a Tory junior staffer giving the job to the pollster or someone in the pollster's office, screwed up?

Really, the Tories are SO clearly in the wrong that you'd have to be a pretty thick partisan to think that this was deliberate! As happened, when they started polling it immediately hit the media that the Tories were in the wrong. Surely they would have been a lot sneakier if it was deliberate.

But, when you truly hate the Tories so much, as John Crosbie said about Free Trade after it was enacted by the Tory party : "From now on, every sparrow that falls will be blamed on us!"

There's a very good possibility that the Tories hired this research company to see if they could get rid of this guy and see if there was a chance for them. Nothing wrong with that until one starts to tell lies about a by election that isn't.

[Wild Bill]

There's a very good possibility that the Tories hired this research company to see if they could get rid of this guy and see if there was a chance for them. Nothing wrong with that until one starts to tell lies about a by election that isn't.

Topaz, my whole point is that nobody tells lies that are THAT stupid and easily found out!

It would have to be a screwup and not a deliberate act.

Politicians may not be the brightest people sometimes but they ALL have a great deal of animal cunning, far too much to do something this clumsily.

[Shwa]

Politicians may not be the brightest people sometimes but they ALL have a great deal of animal cunning, far too much to do something this clumsily.

You mean like leaving sensitive government documents on your girlfriend's coffee table?

[Shakeyhands]

It would have to be a screwup and not a deliberate act.

Nothing happens within this Gov't without the PMO knowing about it. And yes, it was stupid.

I love how everything that goes wrong with these guys gets blamed on a "junior staffer" or someone not accountable at all.

[Rick]

You mean like leaving sensitive government documents on your girlfriend's coffee table?

SNAP!!!